The Eikon Podcast

S8E258 - Reasons to Leave

Mon, 13 Apr 2026 02:00:00 -0500

Gianna, Michael, and Jeff discuss the appropriate reasons for leaving a church. They delve into topics like scriptural authority, toxic leadership, and the importance of shared service in the church, all framed through real-life examples and recent conversations.

00:00 - Welcome and episode overview

10:15 - The importance of joining groups and serving in the church body

11:14 – Responding to a listener email

30:00 - The dangers of misinformation and the Dunning-Kruger effect

31:37 - Recognizing the importance of context and proper authority in biblical interpretation

36:17 - Three categories for leaving a church: loss of scriptural foundation, toxic leadership, lack of service

54:58 - Nuanced listening: different responses when members raise concerns

59:37 - Practical advice for timing and respectful dialogue with church leaders

61:50 - Family, generational shifts, and leadership styles across age groups

S8E257 - Hidden Chapters: The Shadow People of Mt. Shasta and The Watchers

Mon, 06 Apr 2026 02:00:00 -0500

Discover the mysterious legends, spiritual symbolism, and paranormal phenomena associated with Mount Shasta, from ancient cosmic mountain symbolism to modern UFO and cryptid sightings. Join us as we explore the intriguing intersections of spirituality, mythology, and high strange accounts on this sacred and mysterious peak.

00:00 - Intro to Mount Shasta’s cosmic and spiritual significance
02:00 - Are shadow people the remnants of Watchers?
04:12 - How Mount Shasta ties into ancient legends and modern paranormal lore
08:18 - The lost city of Telos and Lemuria beneath Mount Shasta
12:35 - Encounters with Lemurians and their technology
15:20 - The Saint Germain story and the I Am movement’s connection to Mount Shasta
16:26 - Cryptids, Sasquatch, and interdimensional guardians of the mountain
18:47 - Shadow people, the Watchers, and their possible roles
20:27 - The phenomenon of vanishings and the missing 401 cases
25:35 - Secret underground bases, UFO activity, and secret tunnels
27:23 - Ancient indigenous views and spiritual ley lines at Mount Shasta
28:53 - Disappearances and the dark side of Mount Shasta’s legend
33:44 - The potential physical and spiritual explanations for the vanishings
44:14 - Biblical themes of mountains: Eden, Sinai, Zion, and Christ’s mount journey
51:04 - The resurrection of divine authority on the mountain and territorial spiritual warfare
53:26 - Is Mount Shasta a modern-day cosmic mountain?
54:33 - The possibility of psychic and spiritual phenomena rooted to high places
55:42 - Could Mount Shasta be a new center of cosmic power?
57:20 - Personal stories, skepticism, and the allure of high strange occurrences

S8E256 - Is Easter a Pagan Holiday? w/BK Apologist

Mon, 30 Mar 2026 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Alfredo, the BK Apologist, dives into the history and origins of Easter, debunking myths and explaining the cultural and religious significance behind symbols like eggs and rabbits. He emphasizes the importance of source-based research and the distinction between folklore and theology, providing listeners with a deeper understanding of Christian traditions and their pagan roots.

00:00 Welcoming the BK Apologist back to the Eikon podcast

02:47 Exploring the Concept of Paganism in Holidays

05:29 The Origins and Etymology of Easter

08:41 Debunking Myths Around Easter's Pagan Connections

11:24 The Role of Intentionality in Worship

14:23 Concluding Thoughts on Easter and Paganism

19:08 Understanding Pagan Influences in Worship

21:07 The Origins of Easter Traditions

23:58 The Symbolism of Eggs and Lent

27:09 Navigating Easter Celebrations and Convictions

30:36 Debunking Myths: The Council of Nicaea

34:25 The Importance of Being Informed in Faith

S8E255 - When to Agree or Disagree with My Church

Mon, 23 Mar 2026 02:00:00 -0500

In today’s world, many individuals find themselves grappling with their relationship with their church. Whether it's due to doctrinal disagreements or frustrations about how certain issues are addressed, these feelings can lead to crucial questions. In this post, we’ll explore essential considerations for navigating your faith community, helping you decide where to stand and how to influence positive change.

S8E254 - The Prophetic Community of Lament - w/ Dr. Soong-Chan Rah

Mon, 16 Mar 2026 02:00:00 -0500

Dr. Soon Chan Rah explores the biblical and practical importance of lament in the life of faith, addressing misconceptions, systemic injustice, and how lament can transform church and community life.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction

03:16 The Significance of Lament in Scripture

10:26 The Disproportionate Focus on Celebration in Worship

14:57 Lament as Truth-Telling and Justice

19:16 The Biblical Call for Corporate and Personal Lament

28:17 Lament as Trust in God's Sovereignty

33:30 Personal Story of Lament in Prison Ministry

35:14 Lament and Systemic Evil in Society

39:50 Lament in the Church and Worship Practices

46:38 The Connection Between Lament and Evangelism

51:27 Lament as a Path to Hope and Action

52:46 The Role of Lament in Evangelism and Witness

53:18 Upcoming Projects and Resources

53:46 Closing Remarks and Resources

S8E253 - Obstacles to Life Together

Mon, 09 Mar 2026 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team explores the challenges and responsibilities of building authentic community within the church. From leadership roles to individual actions, the hosts discuss practical ways to identify and overcome obstacles to a close community. They also consider opportunities to foster closeness, address division, and reflect Christ's love in everyday life.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Michael’s latest rant

08:48 Community and Church Dynamics

11:41 Listener Feedback and Engagement

16:16 Leadership and Community Building

19:59 Leadership and Individual Responsibility in Church Culture

20:54 The Role of Church Culture in Community Engagement

23:13 Understanding Church Culture and Its Impact

25:02 Nostalgia and Its Effect on Church Community

28:26 The Challenge of Building Relationships in Busy Lives

30:38 Life Stages and Their Influence on Community Engagement

34:02 Sacrifice and Commitment in Building Community

36:35 Individualism and Its Impact on Church Life

42:17 Leadership Expectations and Community Responsibility

46:12 The Heart of Community Engagement

48:55 Leadership and Internal Motivation

50:39 Fostering Relationships in Church

53:15 Politics and Church Unity

56:24 Understanding Diverse Experiences

01:00:13 The Role of the Church in Society

01:05:24 The Essence of Community in Christianity

S8E252 - Hidden Chapters: Noah's Box

Mon, 02 Mar 2026 02:00:00 -0600

Exploring the historical, archaeological, and cultural perspectives on Noah's Ark, including theories, sightings, and the challenges of verification.

Chapters

00:00 The Dark Imagery of the Flood

02:24 The Search for Noah's Ark

05:19 Personal Reflections on Noah's Ark

08:10 The Nature of Biblical Interpretation

10:53 The Literal vs. Allegorical Debate

13:39 Eyewitness Accounts and Their Credibility

16:07 Cultural Context of the Flood Narrative

23:30 Cultural Context of Ancient Texts

26:21 Understanding Flood Narratives

35:54 Eyewitness Accounts and Historical Claims

51:24 The Search for Noah's Ark

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S8E251 - The Church: Life Together or Religious Organization?

Mon, 23 Feb 2026 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team explores the nature of church as a community versus an organization, emphasizing relational depth, shared purpose, and the importance of doing life together. Michael, Jeff, and Gianna discuss biblical models, practical challenges, and the heart of authentic community in faith.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Greetings

08:24 Rant on Donations and Tipping

15:51 The Church as a Community

26:49 Organizational vs. Relational Church Dynamics

29:40 The Balance of Structure and Community

32:33 Defining Church: Organization vs. Family

36:48 The Role of Sundays in Church Life

40:36 Love, Freedom, and the Nature of Relationships

46:21 Family Dynamics in Church Community

47:57 Membership: Transactional vs. Relational

50:05 Outcomes of Community: Growth vs. Compliance

51:29 The Challenge of Quantifying Community

54:58 Creating a Family-Like Church Environment

S8E250 - Marty Solomon: The Gospel of Being Human

Mon, 16 Feb 2026 02:00:00 -0600

Marty Solomon joins the Eikon team to discuss his new book with Reed Dent, 'The Gospel of Being Human'. The conversation explores the importance of asking better questions of the Bible, understanding our humanity, and the nature of God's love. Marty shares insights on the complexity of human nature, the early church's perspective on sin, and the significance of redemption as illustrated in the story of Jonah. The discussion also delves into the dynamics of power, success, and failure in the context of faith, emphasizing that God's love is more prevalent than His wrath. The episode concludes with reflections on how to engage with scripture and the world around us with curiosity and compassion.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

02:14 Marty's New Book and Creative Process

04:55 The Importance of Asking Questions

07:48 Understanding Ourselves Through the Bible

10:33 The Complexity of Being Human

13:18 God's View of Humanity

16:08 The Historical Context of Theology

19:57 The Jewish Narrative and God's Heart

23:56 The Inefficiency of Divine Partnership

27:35 Understanding God's Love and Compassion

29:32 Reframing the Image of God

34:25 The Challenge of Loving Our Enemies

39:00 Redefining Success and Failure

42:37 The Power of Love vs. Coercion

S8E249 - How Can the Church Be a Family if I Don't Like You?

Mon, 09 Feb 2026 02:00:00 -0600

S8E248 - The Hidden Chapters: The Mystery of the Ark of the Covenant

Mon, 02 Feb 2026 02:00:00 -0600

Michael, Jason, and Elijah discuss the significance of the Ark of the Covenant in Scripture, and then break down some of the more mysterious theories and explanations of what the Ark was and what happened to it.

S8E247 - The Church: Coming to Church

Mon, 26 Jan 2026 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode of The Icon Podcast, hosts Gianna Hearn, Michael Burns, and Jeff Hickman reflect on their personal journeys of faith, the evolution of the podcast, and the significance of the church in their lives.

S7E246 - Eikon Throwback - What is Worship (originally aired 8/26/24)

Mon, 12 Jan 2026 02:00:00 -0600

S7E245 - Special New Episode - A Tiger in the House, part 7 - The Puritans: Prophets of America's Myths

Mon, 05 Jan 2026 02:00:00 -0600

To hear the entire series, A Tiger in the House, please consider becoming a Patreon supporter of the Eikon podcast at www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast

S7E244 - Eikon Throwback - Inventing the Rapture, pt 2 (Originally aired, Oct. 30, 2023)

Mon, 29 Dec 2025 02:00:00 -0600

S7E243 - Eikon Throwback - Songs We Shouldn't Sing: Away in a Manger (Dec. 22, 2022)

Mon, 22 Dec 2025 09:00:00 -0600

S7E242 - Eikon Throwback - Inventing the Rapture (originally aired October 23, 2023)

Mon, 15 Dec 2025 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team examines the dispensational approach to interpreting Revelation and the claims that the end times are imminent.

S7E241 - Eikon Throwback - When God Calls for Justice (Originally aired: April 3, 2023)

Mon, 08 Dec 2025 02:00:00 -0600

The battle against the forces of darkness often looks much different than we might think or expect.

S7E240 - Eikon Throwback - Songs We Shouldn't Sing (Dec. 9, 2022)

Mon, 01 Dec 2025 02:00:00 -0600

Join us for this Eikon throwback episode from 2022, where Michael and Jason discuss the theological problems with the song, "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."

S7E239 - Eikon Throwback - Reading the Revelation: Eat the Children?

Mon, 24 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0600

Original Air Date: June 26th, 2023

S7E238 - Season Finale: Is Cussing Always a Sin

Mon, 17 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon Team, The Hidden Chapters Team, and their spouses all join the episode for a mostly lighthearted discussion about whether it's always a sin to curse.

S7E237 - What Does a Centered Set Church Look Like?

Mon, 10 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team explores the concept of the gospel as more than just a set of beliefs, emphasizing the importance of practices and community in the Christian faith. They discuss how centered set and bounded belief churches can share similar beliefs but differ in their implementation and community practices.

S7E236 - Rising Racism and a Christian Response, w/Tim & Sam Blake, Pierre & Shara Saget, & Jeff Hickman

Mon, 03 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0600

Tim & Samenthur Blake and Pierre & Shara Saget join Eikon to discuss the concerning rise of racist ideologies and rhetoric from circles that claim to represent Christ. They also reflect on the challenges of ministering in environments that don’t completely understand or embrace the entirety of their God-given identity.

S7E235 Hidden Chapters: Does Halloween Have Pagan Origins?

Mon, 27 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Summary

Join Hidden Chapters as we delve into the origins and evolution of Halloween, exploring its connections to ancient traditions, particularly Samhain and Druidic practices. They discuss the myths surrounding Halloween, including the origins of trick-or-treating and jack-o'-lanterns, and examine the implications for Christians celebrating the holiday.

00:00 The Origins of Samhain and Halloween

02:54 Halloween: A Modern Perspective

05:53 Debating Halloween's Pagan Roots

11:14 The Role of Druids in Halloween's History

16:52 The Evolution of Halloween Traditions

22:21 Speculation vs. Historical Fact

25:37 The Origins of Halloween Traditions

28:56 The Evolution of the Jack-o'-Lantern

30:30 Trick-or-Treating: A Historical Perspective

35:16 Cultural Practices and Christian Perspectives

39:51 Intentions Behind Halloween Celebrations

45:14 Navigating Cultural Symbols and Christian Faith

S7E234 - The Challenge of Loving Enemies, w/Jon Sherwood

Mon, 20 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Summary

Jeff, Gianna, and Michael, along with guest Jon Sherwood, engage in a deep discussion about the themes of peace, love, and nonviolence in the context of Jesus' teachings. They explore the challenges of loving one's enemies, the implications of nonviolence, and the role of humility in navigating controversial topics within the church. The conversation also touches on the impact of the internet on communication and the importance of lament in the face of injustice. Through various scriptural examples and personal reflections, they seek to understand how to embody love and justice in a complex world.

00:00 Introduction

06:01 Navigating Controversial Topics in the Church

12:26 The Challenge of Loving Our Enemies

18:34 Examples of Peacemaking in Scripture

26:12 The Role of Communication in Conflict Resolution

34:05 Love, Nonviolence, and the Challenge of Enemies

36:43 Understanding Love and Hate in a Complex World

39:24 The Role of Silence and Lament in Loving Our Enemies

46:00 Humility and the Challenge of Following Jesus

55:44 Trusting God in the Face of Violence and Injustice

S7E233 - Can We Talk About It? Is Your Church Ready to Discuss Charlie Kirk?

Mon, 13 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Gianna welcome Evangelist, Pierre Saget, to discuss recent controversies in the national news and how and when churches should address such events. They emphasize the need for churches to prepare and form their congregations for difficult conversations before they happen.

00:00 Introduction and banter

02:01 Rapture Predictions and Their Impact

08:46 Discussing Charlie Kirk and Church Responses

14:11 The Importance of Community in Church

28:59 Understanding Our Mission as a Church

31:17 Navigating Political Perspectives in the Church

34:37 The Role of the Church in Politics

36:43 Understanding Our Identity as a Nation of God

37:57 Equipping the Church for Political Engagement

41:49 Identifying Truth in the Age of Misinformation

46:41 Addressing Religious Political Movements

51:22 Recognizing the Powers and Authorities at Work

54:55 Discernment Between Rhetoric and Christlikeness

S7E132 - Hidden Chapters - Annabelle, Amityville, and Endor: Talking to the Dead

Mon, 06 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0500

This conversation delves into the lives and claims of Ed and Lorraine Warren, renowned paranormal investigators. It explores their most famous cases, including the Annabelle doll and the Amityville Horror, while questioning the authenticity of their experiences. The discussion also touches on biblical perspectives regarding communication with the dead and the ethical implications of engaging with the supernatural.

00:00 The Chilling World of Ed and Lorraine Warren

02:43 The Origins of the Warrens' Paranormal Journey

05:21 The Infamous Annabelle Doll Case

07:58 The Dark Side of the Warrens' Investigations

10:53 The Impact of Horror Movies on Society

13:36 The Spiritual Realm and Its Dangers

25:22 Exploring the Buffered Self and Spiritual Realities

27:50 The Intersection of Entertainment and the Demonic

29:36 The Warrens: Investigating the Paranormal

33:00 Debunking the Amityville Horror

37:02 The Conjuring House: Truth or Fiction?

41:24 The Warrens' Controversial Legacy

44:28 The Witch of Endor: A Biblical Perspective

55:55 Theological Debates on Communicating with the Dead

S7E231 - They Not Like Us w/Jay Schmidt

Mon, 29 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Gianna, Michael, and Jeff welcome guest Jay Schmidt to discuss various themes surrounding Christianity, community, and acceptance. The conversation explores the differences between a bounded and centered gospel, the importance of community in the Christian experience, and the challenges of acceptance and unity within the church. They delve into Romans 14, discussing how to navigate differing opinions among believers, and emphasize the role of the Holy Spirit in fostering peace and understanding.

S7E230 - Transformation and Shame

Mon, 22 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff explore the themes of spiritual formation, the dynamics of bounded and centered sets in the gospel, and the importance of community in transformation. They reflect on personal experiences, the role of scripture, and the metrics of growth in church health, emphasizing the need for a centered approach to spiritual growth that invites transformation rather than imposing rigid expectations. The conversation highlights the significance of faithfulness over success in ministry and the power of indicative exhortation in fostering a deeper relationship with God.

00:00 Introduction and banter

08:21 Bounded vs. Centered Communities in the Gospel

12:14 The Role of Scripture in Transformation

17:19 Metrics of Growth vs. Faithfulness in Ministry

26:50 Personal Experiences with Bounded Mentality

29:34 The Power of Transformation and Motivation

32:20 The Center of Focus: Jesus vs. Self

37:12 The Lazy Exhortation

38:52 Indicative vs. Imperative Exhortation

40:33 Invitation vs. Exclusion in Exhortation

49:23 Expecting Failure and Reorientation

52:52 The Shift in Perspective on Failure

S7E229 - Hidden Chapters: Can We Live Forever?

Mon, 08 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Hidden Chapters looks at the fascinating legend of the Count of Saint Germain, a mysterious figure from the 18th century known for his alleged immortality and remarkable talents. The team explores the historical context of his life, the rumors surrounding his abilities, and the implications of immortality in both historical and biblical contexts. The conversation also touches on the concept of digital immortality and its potential impact on human existence, ultimately leading to a discussion on the nature of life, death, and the human desire for eternal existence.

00:00 The Enigmatic Count of Saint Germain

04:44 Exploring the Legend of Immortality

10:31 The Count's Influence and Mystique

15:24 The Question of Truth and Legend

18:34 The Concept of Eternal Life

23:05 Exploring the Concept of Immortality

27:32 Legends and Myths of Eternal Life

29:29 Digital Immortality: The Future of Existence

35:35 The Nature of True Life and Restoration

41:21 The Value of Life's Impermanence

S7E228 - Liberty v. Freedom

Mon, 01 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team examines the distinction between the freedom afforded by the gospel to those in Christ and the cultural concept of liberty. They reflect on the challenges of living out this freedom in a culture that often prioritizes individual rights over communal well-being.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Dynamics

05:03 The Concept of Freedom in the Gospel

07:39 Understanding Freedom in Christ

12:57 The Role of Law and Freedom

15:50 Serving Others in Freedom

23:51 The Essence of Freedom and Wisdom

26:03 Cultural Misconceptions of Freedom

28:58 Biblical Freedom vs. Personal Autonomy

33:00 The Role of Community in Freedom

36:47 Balancing Self-Care and Service

43:39 The Challenge of Christian Freedom

S7E227 - Why the Resurrection Matters

Mon, 25 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff examine the importance of living in the light of resurrection, addressing both personal and systemic issues in society. The conversation highlights the contrast between a scarcity mindset and an abundance mindset, urging listeners to embody the principles of the gospel in their daily lives. They also reflect on the role of the church in promoting holistic salvation and community engagement, ultimately calling for a shift from individualism to a collective understanding of faith and action.

00:00 Introduction and Banter

09:35 The Implications of Resurrection

14:17 Living in the New Creation

18:47 The Holistic Gospel vs. Individual Salvation

23:29 Scarcity vs. Abundance Mindset

42:04 Authority and the Great Commission

48:58 Living Out the Sermon on the Mount

51:42 Implications of Resurrection for Today

55:46 Cultural Reflections on Individualism vs. Community

S7E226 - Will We Fly Away One Day?

Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:00:00 -0500

Was the great hope of the first Christians to fly away one day, or was it something far more rooted in the biblical story of creation? The Eikon team discusses this important question as they examine the pivotal passages of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and demonstrate how Paul might have been saying something very different from what many modern readers have presumed.

00:00 - Introduction and Banter

10:32 - The Importance of Resurrection in the Gospel

27:02 - Understanding the Stages of Resurrection

51:07 - The Impact of Resurrection on Our Lives

S7E225 - Gospel Hope: Heaven Is Not the End of the World

Mon, 11 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jeff, and Gianna continue the discussion of resurrection and its implications within Christian faith. They explore the differences between cultural views of the afterlife and early Christian teachings, emphasizing the importance of understanding resurrection as a physical and spiritual event. The conversation also touches on the role of Jesus in resurrection, the nature of the resurrection body, and how these beliefs should influence the way Christians live today. Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Technical Challenges

05:57 Cultural Reflections on Redemption and Forgiveness

08:37 Understanding Heaven and the Gospel

11:23 The Nature of Resurrection

19:36 The Difference Between Resurrection and Coming Back

22:13 Jesus' Teachings on Resurrection

30:06 The Importance of Resurrection in Early Christianity

32:08 Paul's Argument on Resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15

36:29 The Nature of the Resurrection Body

43:20 The Role of the Spirit in Resurrection

52:00 Living Out Resurrection Today

S7E224 - Hidden Chapters: Can You Sell Your Soul to the Devil?

Mon, 04 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0500

This conversation delves into the life and legacy of Robert Johnson, the legendary blues musician, and the myth surrounding his supposed deal with the devil at the crossroads. The discussion explores the origins of this myth, its implications in music history, and the broader cultural phenomenon of the 27 Club, where many famous musicians have died at the age of 27. The conversation also touches on theological perspectives regarding the soul and the historical figure of Faust, who is often associated with making deals with the devil. Ultimately, the dialogue navigates the line between truth and legend in the context of these enduring stories.

00:00 The Legacy of Robert Johnson

05:21 The Crossroads Legend

11:35 The Myth of Selling Your Soul

20:59 The Mysterious Death of Robert Johnson

27:29he Legend of Robert Johnson

31:18 Historical Figures and the Devil's Pact

40:16 The 27 Club: Fame and Early Death

42:25 Theological Perspectives on Selling Your Soul

49:03 Legends vs. Reality

S7E223 - The Gospel in the Wrong Direction

Mon, 28 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff explore the themes of the gospel, focusing on the direction of hope and restoration. They discuss the misconception of the gospel as an evacuation to heaven versus God's intention to restore and renew creation. The conversation delves into scriptural insights, focusing in on 2 Peter 2, and emphasizing the importance of living out the new creation in the present age. They highlight the call to be active participants in God's restorative work.

00:00 Introduction and catching up

05:55 The Importance of the Gospel

11:07 The Concept of Renewal in Creation

19:11 Addressing Misunderstandings in Scripture

25:22 Exploring 2nd Peter and Its Context

42:03 Living in Anticipation of Renewal

52:15 Faithfulness Amidst Circumstances

01:03:39 The Hope of Resurrection and Renewal

S7E222 - Afterlife: The End of the Gospel Story

Mon, 21 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff discuss the significance of heaven, resurrection, and the early church's teachings, contrasting them with contemporary beliefs. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the gospel's beginning and end, the nature of eternal life, and the implications of resurrection for Christian living.

00:00 Introduction

02:56 Understanding the Gospel: Beginning and End

05:48 Heaven, Resurrection, and Christian Hope

08:20 Contrasting Belief Systems: Early Christianity vs. Greco-Roman Views

11:01 The Nature of Heaven and Its Significance

25:01 Understanding Heaven and the Heavens

34:46 The Concept of Eternal Life

45:56 The Resurrection and Its Implications

S7E221 - Hidden Chapters: Time Travel and the Bible

Mon, 14 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0500

In our monthly expedition in the strange side of the Bible, Hidden Chapters (previously: The Other Realm), Michael, Jason, and Elijah explore the intriguing concept of time travel, both in popular culture and within biblical narratives. They discuss various time travel stories, including urban legends and hoaxes, and delve into the theological implications of time manipulation as depicted in scripture, creating a dynamic and engaging discussion about the mysteries of time.

00:00 Introduction to the Hidden Chapters

01:51 Exploring Time Travel in Movies and Shows

04:35 The Science and Possibility of Time Travel

07:21 Fascinating Time Travel Stories and Theories

09:52 The Man from Taured: An Urban Legend?

12:27 John Titor: The Time Traveler from 2036

15:10 Paul Dienak's Coma and Predictions of the Future

17:53 The Philadelphia Experiment: Fact or Fiction?

20:46 The Dottelstine Messages: A Mysterious Connection

23:48 Personal Reflections on Time Travel

32:24 Exploring Time Travel and Historical Curiosities

36:21 Time Travel in the Bible: Prophecies and Miracles

50:50 Theological Speculations on Time and Existence

S7E220 - A Gospel Created Family

Mon, 30 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff explore the theme of how the gospel creates a sense of family within the church. They discuss the importance of community, shared honor, and identity, and how Jesus redefined what it means to be part of God's family. The conversation touches on cultural aspects, the role of the church, and the significance of meals in forming deep connections among believers. They emphasize the need for churches to focus on family dynamics rather than individualism and how this can transform the church experience.

00:00 Introduction and banter

05:49 The Gospel as a Story

11:45 The Gospel and Family Dynamics

27:12 Understanding Discipleship and Family Dynamics

34:33 The Role of Community in Spiritual Growth

41:55 Redefining Family in the Context of Faith

48:33 Formational Practices in Church Life

56:55 Mobilizing the Church as a Family

S7E219 - Centered Gospel: Blood, Ink, and Pencil

Mon, 23 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team introduces a framework for understanding beliefs categorized as blood, ink, and pencil, emphasizing the need for clarity in what constitutes essential Christian doctrine. They discuss the importance of accepting differences in beliefs and practices within the Christian community, emphasizing unity and mutual respect. The conversation also touches on the challenges of fellowship and separation over doctrinal disagreements, exploring the spectrum of opinions on various issues, including the role of women in the church and the nature of violence. Ultimately, the speakers advocate for a faith that is shaped by scripture while navigating the diverse convictions within the community.

15:13 - Centered Gospel and Belief Systems

22:52 - Understanding Blood and Ink Categories

37:46 - Ink Issues and Community Dynamics

49:18 - The Complexity of Separation in Faith Communities

55:10 - Understanding Pencil Issues in Faith

58:33 - Cultural Conditioning and Scriptural Guidance

01:01:22 – An Example: The Role of Nonviolence in Faith

01:04:06 - Final Thoughts on Faith and Opinions

S7E218 - Centered Gospel: Why Do We Believe What We Believe?

Mon, 16 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff explore the complexities of interpreting scripture in modern contexts, the role of tradition in understanding faith, and the evolution of Christian doctrine. They discuss the impact of individualism on Christianity and the importance of recognizing the varying weight of doctrinal beliefs. The episode culminates in the introduction of the concept of 'Blood, Ink, and Pencil,' which categorizes beliefs and practices based on their significance to the Christian faith.

00:00 Introduction and Banter

07:11 The Importance of Doctrine

10:11 Exploring the Wesleyan Quadrilateral

13:19 Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience

35:44 The Evolution of Christian Doctrine

39:33 The Impact of Individualism on Christianity

46:50 The Weight of Doctrinal Importance

55:24 Blood, Ink, and Pencil: Categorizing Beliefs

S7E217 - Centered Gospel: Should We Tell Him to Stop?

Mon, 09 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Summary

The conversation in this episode highlights the need for flexibility in understanding doctrine, the importance of community and cooperation among different faith groups, and the ongoing struggle to navigate boundaries in faith without losing sight of the core message of Jesus.

Chapters

00:00 The Icon Podcast Introduction and Community Dynamics

04:26 Exploring the Centered Gospel

15:31 Balancing Centered and Bounded Set Gospels

22:42 Judgment and Interpretation of Doctrine

31:11 The Importance of Relationship Over Performance

34:40 The Complexity of Fruit in Life

40:52 Finding Balance in Faith

45:10 Community and Cooperation in Faith

51:38 Navigating Boundaries in Faith

S7E216 - The Other Realm: Zombie Apocalypse and the Bible

Mon, 02 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Other Realm Team delves into the fascinating world of zombies, exploring their cultural significance, the evolution of zombie movies, and the science (or lack thereof) behind the undead. They discuss iconic films and TV shows, share personal reflections on the genre, and ponder what they would do in a zombie apocalypse. Michael, Jason, and Elijah explore the hypothetical scenarios of a zombie apocalypse, discussing survival strategies, cultural fascination with the zombie genre, and the psychological implications of horror. They delve into biblical references, particularly Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones and the puzzling passage in Matthew 27 about resurrected saints, drawing connections between these themes and contemporary societal fears.

00:00 Introduction to the Zombie Genre

03:24 Cultural Obsession with Zombies

08:19 Exploring Zombie Movies and TV Shows

13:17 The Science Behind Zombies

18:22 Personal Reflections on Zombie Scenarios

24:55 Facing the Zombie Apocalypse: Choices and Consequences

27:54 Survival Strategies: Where to Hide

32:29 Cultural Fascination with Zombies

39:29 Biblical Perspectives: Ezekiel and the Valley of Dry Bones

44:52 The Mystery of Matthew 27: Resurrection or Literary Device?

S7E215 - Centered Gospel: Lifting Your Robe

Mon, 26 May 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon Team delves into a deeper exploration of the centered and bounded gospels, particularly through the lens of table fellowship as illustrated in Luke 14 and 15. They reflect on the implications of social status in biblical times and how it relates to modern spiritual practices, including communion.

00:00 Opening Banter

15:01 Understanding Table Fellowship in the Gospel

20:02 Bounded vs. Centered Gospel Discussion

25:36 Individual vs. Collective in the Gospel

28:01 The Parable of the Lost Son

36:31 Jesus' Radical Inclusion

44:59 The Challenge of Superiority and Inclusion

S7E214 - Centered Gospel: Sidewalks, not Fences

Mon, 19 May 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Summary

Michael and Jeff discuss the challenges of measuring spiritual maturity and the need for a deeper understanding of faith that goes beyond mere rule-following.

00:00 Opening

09:04 Exploring Centered Set Church Concepts

30:57 Bounded vs. Centered Churches

38:06 Leadership in Bounded vs. Centered Models

42:28 Blood, Ink, and Pencil Issues in Faith

46:54 Centered Approach to Faith and Community

50:04 The Challenge of Sin Management vs. Image Bearing

51:59 Digging Wells vs. Building Fences

S7E213 - The Gospel of Exclusion

Mon, 12 May 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team explores the differences between bounded and centered gospels, discussing the implications of church dynamics on inclusion and exclusion. They delve into the nature of bounded churches, the judgmentalism that can arise, and the importance of fostering a community that encourages exploration of faith. The discussion highlights the spectrum of church mentalities, the impact of exclusion on individual identity, and the need for a more inclusive approach that focuses on unity rather than uniformity.

00:00 Introduction to Bounded and Centered Set Gospels

09:13 Exploring the Concept of Bounded vs. Centered Gospels

19:09 Real-World Applications and Implications of Gospel Types

29:15 Navigating Boundaries in Faith Communities

31:42 Understanding Bounded vs. Centered Gospels

36:47 The Nature of Bounded Churches

40:33 The Role of Judgmentalism in Bounded Groups

45:06 Exploring Inclusion and Exclusion

48:33 Unity vs. Uniformity in Church Dynamics

52:35 The Spectrum of Church Mentalities

57:05 The Impact of Exclusion on Individual Identity

01:01:39 Navigating Personal Beliefs in Church Contexts

01:08:35 Looking Ahead: Centered Gospels

S7E212 - The Exilic Gospel: That They May Glorify God

Mon, 05 May 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jeff explore the themes of living as Christians in a world that often feels like an empire. They discuss the importance of community, the call to live honorably, and the challenge of embodying the way of the cross. The conversation delves into the role of the Christian community in society, the complexities of engaging with government, and the need for humility and love in the face of cultural challenges. They emphasize the ideal of a loving, sacrificial community while acknowledging the difficulties in achieving this vision.

00:00 Introduction and Banter

06:00 The Exile Mindset in the New Testament

11:56 Living as Exiles: Identity and Purpose

18:13 The Tension of Exile: Comfort vs. Distinction

24:13 The Call to Live Differently in a Secular World

29:53 Powerlessness and the Exilic Existence

31:43 Living in the Shadows of Empire

36:51 The Way of the Cross

48:49 The Role of the Christian Community

01:00:08 Engaging with Government and Culture

S7E211 - The Other Realm: Does the Bible Teach a Flat Earth

Mon, 28 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode of The Other Realm, Michael and Elijah Burns delve into the controversial topic of the flat Earth hypothesis. They explore its historical roots, the resurgence of interest in modern times, and the main arguments put forth by flat-earth proponents. They then dive into the critiques of flat-earth claims. The discussion emphasizes the importance of discernment, truth, and the need for a faithful reading of scripture in the context of scientific understanding.

00:00 Introduction

03:15 Exploring the Flat Earth Claim

07:55 History of Flat Earth Beliefs

14:40 Main Arguments of Flat Earth Proponents

21:45 Biblical Arguments for Flat Earth

24:33 Appeal of Flat Earth Beliefs

28:01 Historical Perspectives on Earth's Shape

31:32 Scientific Critiques of Flat Earth Theory

49:58 The Moon Landing Debate

53:37 The Role of Scripture in Cosmology

01:01:26 Engaging with Flat Earth Believers

01:12:49 The Importance of Truth and Discernment

S7E210 - Exilic Discipleship: A Rival Politic

Mon, 21 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Jeff, Gianna, and Michael explore the challenges and responsibilities of living as a Christian community in today's world. They discuss the importance of embodying the teachings of Jesus, particularly the Sermon on the Mount, and the need to focus on community engagement rather than just individual conversion. They highlight the tension between political power and the cross-shaped life that Jesus exemplified, urging listeners to consider how they can live out their faith collectively in a way that reflects the values of Christ.

CORRECTION:

The email to connect with Bill Barberg was incorrectly given in this episode. The correct email is:

Bill.barberg@insightformation.com

Further information can also be found at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wy4mVExfujEhYj0Uz0t4ARrzNiciZDnhcGdiANY7eDU/edit?tab=t.0

00:00 Understanding Exile in the Christian Community

03:49 The Dual Nature of Exile

15:00 The Exilic Gospel and Community

17:05 Jesus and the Subversion of Power

29:55 Living Out the Exilic Identity

32:51 Building a Christ-Centered Community

34:42 The Challenge of Individualism in Faith

37:51 Preparing for a Life Together

40:52 The Shape of Christian Community

42:43 Living as Exiles in a Political World

46:45 The Power of the Cross vs. Political Power

51:38 Embodying the Teachings of Jesus

55:30 Conversion vs. Community Living

58:49 Trusting in Christ's Alternative Way of Life

S7E209 - Exilic Gospel: Subversive Witness

Fri, 11 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0500

S7E209 – Exilic Gospel: Subversive Witness

Gianna, Jeff, and Michael explore the complex relationship between the kingdom of God and the dynamics of empire, particularly in the context of exile. They discuss the importance of understanding one's identity as an exile, the instructions given in Jeremiah 29 for those in Babylon, and the call to seek shalom in a foreign land. The conversation also delves into the various responses to empire, including syncretism, separation, and revolution, and highlights how Jesus embodies a subversive approach to these challenges.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and a Rant

04:36 Exilic Gospel: Understanding Exile

07:37 The Concept of Babylon

10:30 Imperial Mindset and Empire Dynamics

23:53 The Kingdom of God vs. Empire Dynamics

26:42 Navigating Exile: Israel's Identity Crisis

29:33 Jeremiah 29: Instructions for Exiles

37:44 Seeking Shalom in Babylon

41:06 The Role of Exiles in Empire

47:55 Responses to Empire: Syncretism, Separation, and Revolution

58:45 Jesus: The Subversive Exile

S7E208 - Exilic Gospel: Can There Be a Christian Nation?

Mon, 07 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team explores the themes of exile, identity, and leadership in the context of the gospel and the Old Testament. They delve into the concept of exile as a central theme in the Bible, and examine God's design for kingship, militarism, the economy and status in Israel's history. They consider this as a clarifying metric for the embodied gospel and a conundrum for claims of any country that wishes to claim the status of a Christian nation.

00:00 Introduction and Banter

05:21 The Concept of Exile in the Gospel

10:11 Understanding Israel's Identity as Exiles

17:46 Kingship and God's Design for Leadership

28:30 Militarism and Its Implications

30:06 Facing Fear in Battle

31:16 God's Perspective on Militarism

32:43 Faith in God's Protection

34:26 The Role of Israel's Land

36:49 Economic Principles in God's Kingdom

39:30 The Role of Priests and Levites

41:33 Caring for the Poor and Foreigners

43:27 The Challenge of Being a Christian Nation

46:22 Social Justice and Equality in God's Kingdom

S7E207 - The Other Realm, Black Hebrew Israelites

Mon, 31 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Michael Burns and Thabani welcome special guest, Alfredo Valentin, the BK apologist. They delve into the complex world of urban apologetics, focusing on the Black Hebrew Israelite movement. They explore the theological implications, historical context, and appeal of this ideology, particularly among marginalized communities. The conversation also touches on strategies for engaging with Hebrew Israelites and the importance of understanding their beliefs to effectively communicate the Christian faith.

00:00 Introduction to Urban Apologetics

06:07 Understanding Black Hebrew Israelites

12:08 The Appeal and Beliefs of Black Hebrew Israelites

18:30 Historical Context and Misinterpretations

24:15 Theological Implications and Responses

34:05 The Role of Law and Identity in Faith

36:31 Struggles of African Identity and Spirituality

39:27 Historical Context of African Christianity

42:56 Debating the Racial Identity of Jesus

46:43 Understanding Incomplete Gospels

52:30 Experiences in Debating Hebrew Israelites

57:25 Advice for Engaging with Hebrew Israelites

01:01:41 Corporate Approaches to Addressing Hebrew Israelite Theology

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S7E206 - Exilic Gospel: Political Exiles

Mon, 24 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0500

In this conversation, the Eikon team explores the themes of allegiance, exile, and the nature of the church in relation to the kingdom of God. They discuss how the early church navigated political subversion and the implications of living as exiles in a world that often contradicts the values of the kingdom. The conversation emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of what it means to pledge allegiance to Jesus and the challenges posed by political idolatry in contemporary society.

Timestamp

00:00 Introduction and Banter

07:50 Introduction to Exiles: Setting the Stage

10:25 Understanding Exiles: A Biblical Perspective

17:16 The Meaning of Repent: A Deeper Look

20:24 Allegiance and Exile: A Kingdom Perspective

23:50 The Political Language of Ecclesia

28:22 Subversion and Allegiance: The Early Church's Challenge

31:18 The Political Task of the Church

38:08 The Cross and the Kingdom: A Different Way of Living

42:31 Imagination and Allegiance: The Challenge of Exile

50:27 Political Idolatry: The Church's Struggle

S7E205, The Mission of the Whole Gospel

Mon, 17 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team continues to analyze the whole gospel, which differs from incomplete versions in its formation of community, the role of baptism, and especially what we understand as the primary mission of the church.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections

8:38 The Whole Gospel: Understanding Community and Individuality

13:36 The Challenge of Individualism in the Gospel

19:48 Baptism and the Role of the Church

23:00 The Role of Gospels in Mission

26:22 Embodiment of Justice and Community

35:41 The Shift in Global Christianity

39:17 The Dynamics of Small vs. Large Gatherings

42:35 The Center of Gravity in Church Community

49:34 Balancing Small Groups and Large Gatherings

S7E204, The Whole Gospel, pt. 1

Mon, 10 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Gianna, Jeff, and Michael explore the complexities of faith communities, the challenges of drawing lines in beliefs, and the importance of embodying the gospel through love and community rather than merely exporting morals.

S7E203 - The Other Realm: Giants in the Bible

Mon, 03 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0600

S7E203 – Giants and the Bible

Thabani and Michael delve into the complex interpretations of Genesis 6 and explore the supernatural view of the Nephilim, discussing how early Jewish and Christian beliefs shaped the understanding of these figures as giants and their implications in biblical narratives. The discussion also touches on the cultural memory of giants across civilizations and the language used in ancient texts, emphasizing the importance of context in biblical interpretation.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Giants in the Bible

03:17 Exploring Sasquatch and Its Cultural Significance

21:23 The Nature of Truth and Worldviews

24:17 Understanding Giants in Biblical Context

33:01 Exploring the Sons of God and Daughters of Men

36:24 The Supernatural View of Genesis 6

40:50 The Nephilim: Giants and Their Legacy

58:42 The Cultural Memory of Giants Across Civilizations

S7E202: The Story You May Have Missed

Mon, 24 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team examines the gospel story, highlighting aspects often left out or missed altogether. Through the lens of the narrative, they explore the concept of image bearers and their rebellion against God, the role of Elohim, and the significance of the Tower of Babel. They discuss Israel's purpose as a light to the nations and how Jesus embodies the fulfillment of God's plan.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and banter

06:21 The Story of the Gospel Begins

22:52 The Rebellion of Image Bearers

24:13 Understanding Elohim and Their Role

26:09 The Tower of Babel: A Rebellion of Nations

30:35 God's Authority and the Nations

34:56 Israel's Role as a Light to the Nations

38:17 Jesus: The King and the Gospel

51:59 The Great Commission: Image-Bearing Communities

57:29 Maturity in Community and the Global Church

S7E201 - Christian Nationalism and the Role Gospel

Mon, 17 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0600

S7E201: Christian Nationalism and the Role Gospel

The Eikon Team delves into the concept of role gospels, discussing how identity and roles play a crucial part in understanding the gospel message. They examine variations of the role gospel including Christian Nationalism, the anti-immorality gospel, and distorted justice. They discuss historical parallels with Rome, the importance of humility and critique within the church, and the challenges posed by cultural assumptions. The conversation emphasizes the need for a unified Christian community that engages with societal issues while remaining true to the gospel's core message.

Chapters

00:18 Introduction and Banter

09:18 Exploring the Gospel as Story

12:19 Understanding the Role Gospels

15:19 The Impact of Identity and Role in the Gospel

21:23 The Anti-Immorality Gospel

28:28 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications

32:12 Christian Nationalism and Historical Parallels

40:08 The Role of Power and the Cross

46:19 Courage in Addressing Christian Nationalism

56:45 Distorting Justice

S7E200 - Inventing the Great Commission

Mon, 10 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Gianna welcome Jeff Hickman as the newest member of the Eikon team. They continue their series on the story of the gospel by exploring the ‘soul gospel and the implications of viewing the gospel primarily as a means of saving souls. They discuss the invention of the Great Commission as the primary mission and substance of discipleship, emphasizing the need for a more holistic understanding of the whole gospel.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction of Jeff Hickman

05:44 Exploring the Soul Gospel

11:46 Defining the Soul Gospel

17:57 The Individualism in the Soul Gospel

23:50 Historical Context of the Great Commission

40:51 The Great Commission: A New Perspective

55:43 Reimagining the Role of the Church

S7E199 - The Other Realm: UFOs and the Bible

Mon, 03 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode of The Other Realm, Michael and Thabani delve into the intriguing topics of aliens and UFOs, exploring cultural beliefs, scientific perspectives, and biblical connections. They discuss the varying beliefs about extraterrestrial life in Western and African cultures, the phenomenon of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), and the overlap between alien encounters and spiritual experiences.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to The Other Realm

10:34 - Cultural Perspectives on Aliens

20:15 - Alien Encounters and Abductions

38:20 - The Ariel School Incident

48:32 - Ancient Aliens and Misinterpretations

56:17 - Exploring Sumerian Literature and the Anunnaki

01:01:24 - Ezekiel's Vision: UFO or Cherubim?

01:08:12 - The Nature of Alien Life and Biblical Worldview

S7E198 - Who Is Elect?

Mon, 27 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Jason discuss the impact of the gospel on community versus individualism and how individualism shapes our understanding of spirituality and the church. They explore the themes of community, the role of Israel and Jesus in God's plan, and the importance of understanding scripture from a collective perspective. They discuss the concept of election, the display of God's love through Israel, and the significance of using individual gifts for the body of Christ. They end the episode with a huge announcement regarding upcoming transitions in the Eikon Podcast.

00:00 – Opening Banter

09:59 - The Gospel's Impact on Community vs. Individualism

33:22 - The Exodus and Community Formation

34:57 - The Role of Israel and Jesus in God's Plan

36:45 - Understanding Ephesians: A Collective Perspective

42:24 - The Importance of Community in Salvation

44:39 - Using Gifts for the Body of Christ

01:00:14 – Farewell and Reflections on the Podcast

S7E197 - John Wick and the Gospel

Mon, 20 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode of the Icon Podcast, hosts Gianna, Michael, and Jason start a journey of exploring the gospel of Jesus the King. The conversation delves into the importance of storytelling in understanding the Gospel and how different starting points can shape one's perception of faith. They emphasize the importance of context and the narrative preceding the New Testament while addressing alternative interpretations of the Gospel. Michael also explains the crazy connection between the John Wick movies and the Gospel of Jesus.

00:00 – Opening Banter

13:02 – The Gospel: A Central Theme

18:07 – Defining the Gospel

21:12 – The Gospel as a Story

26:59 – The Importance of Starting Points in the Gospel

29:52 – The Importance of Context in Understanding Jesus

32:01 – Identifying the Problem Jesus Came to Solve

34:31 – The Role of Sin and Redemption in the Gospel

36:22 – Exploring Alternative Gospel Narratives

40:24 – The Significance of Genesis in the Gospel Story

46:20 – The Mission of Christians Post-Salvation

49:57 – The Resurrection: A Central Theme in the Gospel

55:54 – The Broader Implications of the Gospel Story

S6E196: The End of the Year Episode

Mon, 16 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon Team explores themes of personal growth, spirituality, and the importance of community, as they share their favorite resources and moments of the year. Michael reveals his five favorite reads of 2024 and recommends several helpful online resources. Gianna shares her personal growth and spiritual reflections by looking at her favorite moments of the year. Finally, they look ahead to what is in store for 2025 with Season 7.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Opening Banter

04:05 Life Updates and Personal Reflections

14:14 Michael’s Favorite Books and Online Resources

38:46 Gianna’s Favorite Moments of the Year

48:30 Looking Ahead: Season Seven Preview

S6E195: New Creation 23: Die Heretic

Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this end-of-season-six episode, Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the concept of new creation and the importance of keeping Christ at the center of our lives. They explore how different passions within the church can sometimes lead to division and how to navigate that in a loving and Christ-centered way. They also touch on the dangers of becoming too focused on one aspect of the gospel and losing sight of the bigger picture. The hosts share personal stories and insights on maintaining unity and love within the body of Christ.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Season Finale Announcement
05:24 - Remembering a Friend and Reflections on New Creation
08:00 - The Call to Be the New Creation
13:08 - Navigating Strong Beliefs and Putting God First
21:05 - Balancing Passion and Love in the Church
29:27 - The Challenge of Different Passions in the Church
35:33 - The Pain of Expecting Everyone to Share the Same Passion
39:33 - Love and Grace as Antidotes to Division
53:37 - Living as New Creations: Taking Small Steps and Focusing on Love

S6E194: The Responsibility of the Misfit

Sun, 08 Sep 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Special Episode: We are making the season finale of our special Patreon series, The Misfits, available this week for everyone to enjoy. This is the eleventh episode in the series so far. If you would like to hear the rest of the series, please help support this podcast by signing up at www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast.com.

Summary: In this episode, the hosts discuss the balance between the church's responsibility to accommodate misfits and the misfits' responsibility to meet the needs of the church. They emphasize the importance of starting with God and grounding oneself in their identity in Christ. They also explore the idea of being an image bearer and using one's gifts to serve others.

S6E193: New Creation 22: Should Baptism be a Parent’s Primary Goal?

Thu, 05 Sep 2024 13:00:00 -0500

Gianna, Jason, and Michael discuss the challenges and misconceptions of marriage and parenting within the context of new creation theology. They emphasize the importance of power-with rather than power-over in parenting and the need for vulnerability and authenticity in marriage. They also highlight the significance of modeling Jesus in both parenting and marriage, rather than just teaching about Jesus. The team then explores the idea of whether baptism should be the primary goal of parenting.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
8:54 - Making Sense of New Creation Families
11:34 - The Pressure to Look Good in a Traditional Christian Family
11:56 - Living Out New Creation in Marriages and as Parents
12:15 - Challenges of Marriage and Parenting
19:39 - Parenting with Power With
25:22 - Modeling Jesus in Marriage
36:08 - Embracing the Process of Growth
43:39 - Living Out New Creation Theology in Marriage and Parenting

S6E192: New Creation 21: Should We Worship All the Time?

Mon, 26 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the danger of placing too much emphasis on specific spiritual practices and judging others based on their level of engagement in those practices. They also highlight the significance of work, leisure, and everyday activities as acts of worship. The conversation concludes by acknowledging that everyone's journey of worship is unique and that there is no one-size-fits-all approach.

Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Welcome
11:21 - Redefining Worship: Beyond Singing and Religious Practices
20:22 - Understanding Worship: A Disconnect Between Bible and Vernacular
27:42 - Worship as an Orientation of the Heart
30:19 - Expanding the Definition of Worship
36:39 - Work and Everyday Activities as Worship
46:11 - Embracing a Unique Journey of Worship

S6E191: New Creation 20: Race in the New Creation

Mon, 19 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0500

The conversation explores the concept of race in the context of new creation. It discusses how race is a construct that emerged in the 15th century. The discussion highlights that race is not a biblical concept and that the Bible focuses more on cultural and religious practices rather than physical attributes. The conversation also touches on the dehumanizing nature of race and the biblical call to challenge and dismantle things like racial hierarchies.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on the Olympics
13:13 - The Concept of Race in the Bible
19:01 - The Emergence of Race as a Construct
25:16 - The Dehumanizing Nature of Race
29:48 - The Deep-Rooted Issue of Racism
30:38 - The Perpetuation of Racial Superiority
35:31 - Dismantling the Structures of Racism
36:48 - A New Creation Approach to Racism
49:54 - The Limitations of Current Solutions
56:36 - The Need for a Biblical Perspective on Race

S6E190: The Other Realm: Deliverance from Demon Possession

Mon, 12 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this conversation, Michael Burns and Thabani Antony Mashava discuss deliverance ministries and their focus on freeing people from demonic oppression. What does this Bible have to say about the practice of exorcising demons? Is that something we should be doing today?

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Update on Teaching Ministry in Africa
11:12 - Discussing Deliverance Ministries
22:51 - Critiquing Deliverance Ministries
26:10 - The Problems with Deliverance Ministries
28:57 - The True Power: Faith, Righteousness, and the Word of God
34:13 - Understanding Jesus' Authority and the Role of the Church
37:29 - Testing Spirits and Questioning Experiences
57:49 - Focusing on Jesus and His Authority

S6E189: New Creation 19: Olympic Outrage, Political Engagement, and the New Creation

Mon, 05 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason discuss the controversy surrounding the opening ceremony of the Olympics, the different reactions to the controversy, and the binary nature of the response. They explore the idea of loving others while also standing firm in one's convictions. The conversation concludes with a discussion about the need for Christians to confront their own fears and trust in God's sovereignty, rather than getting caught up in the culture wars.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Discussion of Olympic Sports
09:40 - Controversy Surrounding the Opening Ceremony
14:09 - The Three Camps: Love, Outrage, and Indifference
16:46 - Escaping the Binary: Loving Others and Holding Firm to Convictions
30:18 - The Dangers of Binary Thinking
36:12 - Dealing with Fear and Anxiety
44:33 - The Role of the Church
53:20 - Finding Refuge in God

S6E188: New Creation 18: Your Job and The New Creation

Mon, 29 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Gianna, Michael, and Jason discuss the challenges of being image-bearers in different work environments and the temptation to prioritize career advancement over living out new creation values. They explore the idea that work is a form of worship and how it should be done with excellence and for the glory of God because work is not just a necessary evil or a means to an end, but a noble calling that reflects the values of new creation. They conclude with examples of how individuals can live out the new creation in their work, even in challenging circumstances.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
08:00 - Approaching Work with Worship and Service
15:27 - Challenging the Notion of Retirement in Heaven
19:16 -Living Out New Creation in Our Work
25:19 - Expanding Eden Through Our Work
33:36 - Living as the New Creation in Our Vocations
37:32 - Challenges of Being the New Creation in Different Work Environments
52:11 - Work as a Form of Worship
55:36 - Excellence and Humility in Our Work
01:06:08 - Serving Others as the New Creation in Our Work

S6E187: New Creation 17: Justice and Identity

Mon, 15 Jul 2024 21:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jason, and Giana first address a misunderstanding about their views on justice and clarify that they advocate for justice using the tools of the kingdom of God. They then move on to discuss the concept of identity and its connection to new creation. They explore how society has shifted from God being the identity giver to individuals creating their own identities. They conclude by discussing the role of the church in fostering a sense of identity rooted in new creation principles.

Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Rap Discussion
07:07 - Misunderstanding about Justice
16:46 - Navigating Peace and Violence
23:27 - Resistance and 'A Hidden Life'
27:22 - Identity and New Creation
30:27 - The Shift in Society's View of Identity
36:41 - The Social Nature of Identity
50:28 - Finding Our True Identity as Image Bearers
57:20 - The Role of the Church in Fostering Identity

S6E186: The Other Realm: Possession and Exorcism

Mon, 08 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Today’s conversation explores the correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm, as well as the relevance of Christianity in traditional African contexts. The approach discussed is to listen, ask questions, and help individuals understand the power and authority of Jesus. It is emphasized that spiritual warfare is about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities. The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will. The conversation also touches on the topic of deliverance ministries and their potential benefits and dangers.

Takeaways
- Christianity in Africa has a range of beliefs and practices regarding demon possession and exorcism.
- Some denominations dismiss or deny the existence of possession, while others actively engage in exorcisms.
- It is important to differentiate between mental health issues and genuine cases of possession. There is often a correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm.
- The approach to engaging with individuals who have experienced spiritual phenomena should involve listening, asking questions, and helping them understand the power and authority of Jesus.
- Spiritual warfare is primarily about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities.
- The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
04:03 - Overview of Demon Possession and Exorcisms
09:13 - African Traditional Belief: Ancestral Spirits and Possession
27:54 - Differentiating Between Mental Health and Genuine Possession
31:17 - The Correlation Between Trauma and Belief in the Spiritual Realm
34:10 - Engaging with Spiritual Phenomena: Listening, Asking Questions, and Pointing to Jesus
36:13 - Understanding Spiritual Warfare: Obedience to the Gospel
37:11 - The Danger of Turning Away from Faith
38:09 – How we fight the spiritual battle?
40:32 – Can Christians become possessed?

S6E185: New Creation 16: The Need for Justice

Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:00:00 -0500

Michael and special guest host Bill Barberg discuss the importance of justice and righteousness in the Bible, specifically the concepts of Mishpat and Tzedekah. They explore how these principles are rooted in God's character and how they should shape the lives of believers. They also address common misconceptions about social justice and the role of the church in pursuing justice. The conversation emphasizes the need for a holistic understanding of justice that encompasses both individual actions and systemic change.

Takeaways
- Justice and righteousness in the Old Testament, represented by Mishpat and Tzedekah, go beyond individual acts of kindness or personal piety.
- They encompass a way of life that reflects God's love and compassion for the vulnerable.
- Biblical justice is not limited to the punishment of wrongdoers but involves taking up the cause of the poor, the orphan, and the needy.
- The concept of justice has become controversial in today's society, often due to political polarization and differing interpretations.
- The church should not shy away from addressing social justice issues but should approach them with discernment and a biblical understanding of justice.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
03:03 - The Old Testament Understanding of Mishpat and Tzedekah
09:25 - Exploring the Practical Elements of New Creation
16:17 - The Controversy Surrounding the Concept of Justice
25:21 - Distinguishing Biblical Justice from Cultural Interpretations
27:16 - Understanding Mishpat and Tzedekah: Justice and Equity
31:55 - Addressing Misconceptions about Social Justice
36:37 - The Role of the Church in Pursuing Justice
46:29 - Justice as Both Individual Actions and Systemic Change

Links to Bill Barberg's classes on Mishpat and Tzedekah

Class 1: Understanding the Words (37:13) https://vimeo.com/930323003/958ce6c56f

Class 2: Justice and Righteousness in the Old Testament (45:40) https://vimeo.com/940563230/b8893f9ec9

Class 3: Justice and Righteousness in the New Testament (54:47) https://vimeo.com/941066745/112e300c47

S6E184: New Creation 15: The Principles

Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:00:00 -0500

In this conversation, Michael and Gianna discuss the ten principles of new creation. They explore topics such as sacrifice, community, collaboration with God, and striving for unity and justice.

Takeaways
- New creation is not a list of rules or tasks, but something to be embodied.
- Self-sacrifice is a key aspect of new creation, and it begins with cruciformity, living in the shape of the cross.
- Community is central to new creation, and it requires everyone to do their part.
- New creation is a collaborative effort with God, and it involves discovering knowledge and understanding the character of God.
- New creation aims to be a peacemaker and strives for unity at all levels.
- New creation insists on equality and justice in all aspects of life.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Moving to Principles of New Creation
14:03 - Embodiment: The Essence of New Creation
25:51 - Cruciformity: Living in the Shape of the Cross
31:19 - The Importance of Community in New Creation
35:18 - Collaboration with God in New Creation
47:48 - Sacrificial Love for Others in New Creation
50:59 - Faithfully Imaging God in New Creation
56:20 - Avoiding the Weapons of the World in New Creation
58:51 - Striving for Peacemaking in New Creation
01:00:51 - Insisting on Equality and Justice in New Creation
01:02:40 - Unity and the Unifying Nature of New Creation

S6E183: New Creation 14: To Redeem or Preserve

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Gianna discuss the importance of living out the principles of new creation in the context of community and society. They explore the idea that the church is called to be a new creation community that embodies love, hospitality, and reconciliation. They emphasize the need to reject the dynamics of the old creation, such as power struggles and revenge, and instead embrace the transformative power of love and forgiveness. They also discuss the role of governing authorities and the importance of submitting to them while remaining faithful to the principles of new creation.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation in Romans 12 emphasizes the need to live differently and embrace a new reality in Christ.
- Sincere love is the starting point for the new creation community
- Power with others, rather than power over others, is the redemptive power of the new creation.
- Moralism can be dangerous and can distract from the transformative power of the new creation.
- Living out the principles of new creation requires a radical transformation of our mindset and actions.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
10:31 - The Background of Romans 12
15:28 - Embracing the New Creation
18:45 - Power Over vs. Power Within the New Creation
19:45 - The Dangers of Moralism in the New Creation
25:36 - Living Out the New Creation: Love, Unity, and Renewal
29:08 - Living as a New Creation Community
39:02 - Rejecting Revenge and Trusting in God's Justice

S6E182, Special Episode – The Misfits: Being Known in a Spiritual Community

Mon, 03 Jun 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This special Patreon episode is being released this week for everyone to access. For access to other episodes in the “The Misfits” series, go to www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast. This episode examines the challenge of feeling like a misfit in a spiritual community but also feeling known. Brian, Reggie, and Michael discuss a range of topics including the challenges of engaging in conversations, the dynamics of church culture, mental health struggles, and the obstacles faced by introverts in building relationships within a church community.

Takeaways
- The importance of creating a culture where individuals feel known and understood
- The need for time, effort, and grace in building meaningful relationships Engaging in conversations can be challenging, especially for introverts and those with low capacity for fellowship.
- Church culture presents obstacles for individuals with mental health struggles and introverted personalities.
- Navigating relationships within a church community requires understanding and empathy for the struggles of others.
- Showing love and being present for others is a powerful way to support those facing mental health challenges and introverted tendencies.

Chapters
00:00 - Navigating Social Interactions and Church Culture
11:49 - Understanding Introversion, Mental Health, and Chronic Illness
27:39 - Navigating Conversational Challenges
43:26 - Dynamics of Church Culture
49:55 - Mental Health Struggles and Relationships
53:15 - Obstacles Faced by Introverts

S6E181: New Creation 13: The New Creation Realm and the Next Generation

Tue, 28 May 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Eikon Podcast, Michael Burns is joined by his son Elijah Burns to discuss the concept of new creation. They explore the characteristics of new creation in Galatians, including the importance of image-bearing, the need for alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross. They also discuss the challenges of navigating old creation dynamics in church culture and Christian college campuses. Elijah shares his personal journey of breaking free from a checklist mentality and finding freedom in the new creation. They emphasize the importance of dialogue, questioning, and being open to struggle in the pursuit of new creation.

Takeaways
- New creation is characterized by image bearing, alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross.
- Old creation dynamics, such as checklist mentalities and rules-driven behavior, can hinder the experience of new creation.
- It is important to question and challenge beliefs and practices in order to align with the new creation.
- Engaging in dialogue and being open to struggle is essential in the pursuit of new creation.
- The younger generation is focused on activism and justice and resonates with the idea of being part of creating change.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Special Guest
04:07 - Exploring the Characteristics of New Creation
13:12 - Navigating Old Creation Dynamics in Church Culture
37:23 - The Importance of Dialogue and Struggle in New Creation
45:12 - The Younger Generation's Focus on Activism and Justice

S6E180: New Creation 12: What is the Ministry of Reconciliation, Really?

Mon, 20 May 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Gianna and Michael discuss the concept of new creation and how it relates to the Christian life. They explore the idea that the struggles and hardships in life can lead to growth and transformation. They also discuss the importance of living a life that is focused on God's wisdom and not the world's standards of success. The conversation highlights the need for Christians to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.

Takeaways
- The Christian life is not always easy or pleasant, but it is a life of sacrifice and struggle.
- The Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in the process of living as new creations.
- Living by faith, not by sight, is essential in the Christian life. Struggles and hardships can lead to growth and transformation in the Christian life.
- Living a life focused on God's wisdom rather than the world's standards of success is important.
- Christians are called to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
14:53 - Living as New Creations: Sacrifice and Struggle
25:45 - The Role of the Holy Spirit in New Creation
27:43 - Living by Faith, Not by Sight
29:37 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion
35:33 - The Transformative Power of Struggles and Hardships
38:36 - Being Ambassadors of Reconciliation
43:46 - The Power of Living as a New Creation in Christ

S6E179: New Creation 11: When the Church Attempts to Impress

Mon, 13 May 2024 12:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason dive into 2 Corinthians looking starting with the idea that new creation is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole. They explore the idea that true thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God. They emphasize the importance of viewing success and thriving through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the significance of fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation in 2 Corinthians is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole.
- Living in the new creation can be challenging and requires a shift in perspective from worldly values to the values of the kingdom of God.
- Paul's emphasis on weakness and reliance on God challenges the worldly notion of presenting oneself with grandiosity and prestige.
- The world often does not understand the gospel, and preaching Christ can be seen as foolish or unimpressive.
- There are two realities at play: the old creation of the world and the new creation of the kingdom of God. True thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God.
- Success and thriving should be viewed through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world.
- There is a contrast between outward appearances and inward renewal in the new creation.
- Fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal is key to understanding true thriving.
- The paradoxical nature of the new creation challenges our conventional understanding of success and thriving.

Chapters
00:00 – Opening Conversation
13:59 - The Concept of New Creation
20:01 - Shifting Perspectives: From Worldly Values to Kingdom Values
25:11 - The World's Misunderstanding of the Gospel
27:01 - Exploring the Desire for Impact
29:38 - The Danger of Seeking Personal Glory
35:15 - Contrasting Outward Appearances and Inward Renewal
39:24 - Redefining Thriving in the New Creation
46:47 - The Paradox of Success in the New Creation

S6E178: The Other Realm w/ Thabani: Are Ghosts Real?

Mon, 06 May 2024 12:00:00 -0500

Are ghosts real? Thabani and Michael look at ghosts in both the popular and biblical contexts. They explore the Western perspective on ghosts and the fascination with ghost movies and stories, despite a low percentage of Americans who say they believe in ghosts. Thabani shares his personal experiences with seeing a ghost-like figure as a child and a friend's encounter with a supernatural presence. Michael also shares his own experiences, including hearing a voice in a historic mansion and his wife's strange encounter in a hotel room. They then explore different perspectives and biblical passages that mention ghosts. They also discuss the belief in ghosts in different cultures and the dangers of seeking communication with the dead. They conclude that while there may be supernatural beings and occurrences, it is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and not to engage in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.

Takeaways
- Despite a low percentage of Americans believing in ghosts, ghost movies, and stories are popular forms of entertainment.
- Personal experiences with ghosts can be unsettling and leave a lasting impact.
- Ghost stories often involve unexplained phenomena and are shrouded in mystery.
- Different generations and cultures have varying beliefs and attitudes towards ghosts.
- The Bible mentions ghosts in a few passages, but the interpretation and understanding of these passages vary.
- There is a distinction between disembodied spirits and demonic entities, but the specifics of their existence and interaction with the physical realm are not fully explained in the Bible.
- God warns against seeking communication with the dead or engaging in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.
- It is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and to prioritize the development of Christ-like character.
- The fascination with ghosts and supernatural phenomena should not overshadow the importance of loving and impacting others in the community.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Experiences
17:32 - Personal Encounters with Ghosts
25:25 - The Mystery and Intrigue of Ghost Stories
32:30 - Introduction and Personal Stories
39:27 - The Story of Peter and the Angel
46:48 - Different Interpretations of Ghost Passages
58:28 - Relying on God and His Word for Guidance
01:07:12 - Conclusion and Future Topics

S6E177: New Creation 10: Should We Eat at a Fancy Restaurant?

Mon, 29 Apr 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Michael and Gianna discuss the topic of indulgence and whether it is acceptable for Christians to enjoy lavish things. The conversation explores the balance between enjoying life and being mindful of those who are less fortunate, exploring the concepts of lack and abundance and its impact on our mindset and actions. They highlight how focusing on lack can lead to division, tribalism, and chaos. They discuss the balance between enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others.

Takeaways
- Being all things to all people can involve participating in activities or indulging in things that are common in certain circles, even if they may seem lavish or extravagant.
- Enjoying the good things in life does not make someone less of a follower of Jesus or a reflection of Him.
- Caring for the poor and enjoying life are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to do both and find a balance.
- God created abundance and wants us to enjoy the good things He has provided, while also being mindful of others and using our resources to help those in need. Focusing on lack creates division, tribalism, and chaos.
- Gratitude and trust in God's provision counter the mindset of lack.
- Enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others is a balance to strive for.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Jason's Absence
12:42 - The Conversation on Indulgence
31:00 - The Temptation of Lack
46:32 - Balancing Enjoyment and Sharing
01:00:56 - Stewardship in the New Creation

S6E176: New Creation 9: Why The Creation Was Not Perfect

Mon, 22 Apr 2024 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team explores the idea that creation was never a completed project, but rather had room for growth and development. Michael, Jason, and Gianna discuss the concept of new creation in the Bible, particularly in the writings of Paul and Isaiah. They explore the idea that creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be. They also discuss how new creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.

Takeaways
- Creation was never a completed project but had room for growth and development.
- Being in the image of God means reflecting God's image as a community.
- Our identity as image bearers of God is our inherent worth and dignity.
- It can be challenging to respond gracefully in rude encounters, but it's important to consider the context and choose the best course of action.
- Creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be.
- New creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.
- The symbolic nature of passages describing the new creation should be understood, as they depict a reality that is too wonderful to fully comprehend.
- New creation often emerges in the midst of conflict and challenges, refining and shaping individuals and communities.
- The journey of new creation has no end and continually moves towards greater glory.

Chapters
00:00 - Names
06:42 - The Frustrations of Group Communication
13:26 - The Continuous Growth of Creation
36:07 - New Creation in the Present
43:06 - Symbolism and the Wonder of New Creation
53:47 - New Creation in the Midst of Conflict

S6E175: New Creation 8: John's Perspective

Mon, 15 Apr 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Gianna analyze the important role of the theme of new creation in John's Gospel.

S6E174: The Other Realm w/Thabani: Demons in Africa

Mon, 08 Apr 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Thabani and Michael discuss the African view of demons and spirits. They explore the belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins, the rituals and practices associated with them, and the African Christian view of spirits and demons. They also discuss the syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity, where some African Christians still participate in ancestral rituals alongside their Christian faith. Overall, the conversation highlights the complex and diverse perspectives on the spiritual realm in Africa.

Takeaways
- In African culture, there is a belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins.
- Ancestral rituals and practices are still prevalent in some African Christian communities.
- There is a syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity in some African cultures.
- The African view of the spiritual realm is complex and diverse, with variations across different tribes and regions. Traditional African practices, such as seeking rain from ancestors, are still important to many Africans, but have been discarded by some Pentecostal and evangelical Christians.
- The clash between traditional African practices and Christianity can create conflicts within families and communities.
- Many African Christians believe that demons play a role in various aspects of life, such as illness, addiction, and failure, and seek spiritual solutions to these problems.
- There is a need for a balanced perspective that considers both traditional African beliefs and Western scientific explanations.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
05:12 - Thabani's Expertise in the Spiritual Realm
08:27 - The Early Church's View on Demons
17:31 - Demons in the New Testament
23:36 - African View of Demons and Spirits
36:20 - African Christian View of Demons
44:13 - The Role of Ancestors and Traditional Practices
51:16 - African Christian View of Spirits and Demons

S6E173: When My Church is Weak

Mon, 01 Apr 2024 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, the hosts discuss the tension between individual humility and organizational pride in the church. They explore how the desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility. They also address the discontentment that some people feel towards the church and the challenge of learning to love the church as it is. The hosts discuss the influence of money and power in the church and express concerns about the commercialization of faith. They emphasize the importance of seeing the church as family and recognizing the larger network of believers.

Takeaways
- The power of the gospel is revealed in weakness and the paradox of death and victory.
- Churches should focus on reflecting Jesus and living in freedom rather than striving for worldly success. Think before you speak and consider the impact of your words.
- The desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility.
- It is important to learn to love the church as it is, recognizing its strengths and weaknesses.
- The influence of money and power in the church can compromise its integrity and mission.
- Recognize that the church is part of a larger network of believers and that God is always at work.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
16:15 - The Paradox of Jesus' Death and Victory
19:25 - The Tension Between Death and Life
21:27 - The Glory of the Cross
23:49 - The Power of the Gospel in Weakness
25:45 - The Temptation of Impressive Churches
36:43 - The Fear of Failure in Churches
38:12 - The Tension Between Victory and Weakness
42:45 - Living in Fear vs. Living in Freedom
44:11 - The Tension Between Individual Humility and Organizational Pride
48:43 - Learning to Love the Church as It Is
53:02 - The Influence of Money and Power in the Church
56:17 - The Concerns about the Commercialization of Faith
58:13 - The Importance of Seeing the Church as Family
01:01:46 - Recognizing the Larger Network of Believers
01:06:08 - Staying Rooted in the Work of God

S6E172: The Tension of Influence and Humility

Mon, 25 Mar 2024 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team explores the tension between influence and humility, particularly in the context of their fields of ministry and professional sports. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and struggles with seeking influence and maintaining humility. They also delve into the concept of incarnational teaching and the importance of local influence. The pressure to be out in front and the desire for recognition are identified as challenges to humility. Ultimately, they emphasize the need to prioritize the heart's desires and to be content with the influence that aligns with God's will.

Takeaways
- View the work itself as the reward and find joy in the process.
- Prioritize people over content and focus on individual touch and formation.
- Strive for fruit rather than outcomes and avoid the status culture.
- Be a resource rather than the main attraction and limit influence.
- Embrace brokenness and humility and recognize the tension between seeking influence and embracing humility.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage
06:38 - The Tension Between Influence and Humility
13:27 - Balancing Influence and Humility in Professional Sports
23:51 - Incarnational Teaching and Local Influence
27:11 - The Pressure to Be Out in Front
31:05 - The Challenge of Desiring Influence
32:11 - The Joy of the Work
33:12 - Viewing the Work as the Reward
35:19 - Limiting Influence
37:16 - Putting People Over Content
38:15 - Formation Over Efficiency
39:12 - Individual Touch Over Scope and Reach
40:10 - Being a Resource, Not the Meal
41:36 - Avoiding the Status Culture
42:29 - The Wisdom of Limiting Influence
44:24 - The Example of BJ Foster
45:49 - Balancing the Desire for Influence
49:11 - Recognizing Brokenness and Embracing Humility
50:10 - Triangulating Our Identity
53:11 - The Competition Between God's Influence and Society's Influence
55:28 - The Importance of Limiting Influence, Power, and Scope
01:03:2 - The Challenge of Balancing Influence and Representation
01:08:25 - The Tension Between Being Known and Being Forgotten

S6E171: New Creation 7: Getting the Gospel Right

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Gianna explore the connections between the Old Testament and the concept of new creation, highlighting the themes of restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth. They also discuss different versions of the gospel and emphasize the importance of understanding Jesus as king and living in his kingdom. The conversation concludes with the reminder that the gospel is not solely about personal benefits, but about fulfilling God's purpose and mission.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation is a prevalent theme in the Bible, representing restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth.
- Understanding Jesus as king is crucial to fully grasp the gospel and live in his kingdom.
- Different versions of the gospel, such as the belief in heaven or freedom from rules, can be incomplete and me-centric.
- The gospel is ultimately about fulfilling God's purpose and mission, rather than solely personal benefits. The Bible is not about us, but about Jesus and his role in bringing about new creation.
- Being in Christ means being part of the team that brings about new creation.
- The genealogy of Jesus points to the fulfillment of the Old Testament and the coming of new creation.
- The themes of the kingdom, healings, and the commandments of Jesus are all part of the new creation.
- The renewal of all things is the ultimate goal of new creation.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and setting a world record
10:09 - Old and New Creation in Matthew
24:45 - Different Versions of the Gospel
30:43 - The Gospel as God's Purpose and Mission
34:23 - Being in Christ
36:19 - Jesus as the fulfillment of the Old Testament
38:15 - The genealogy of Jesus
40:34 - The theme of new creation in Matthew
49:11 - The theme of the kingdom in Matthew
50:05 - Healings as part of the new creation
55:06 - The commandments of Jesus as the restoration of God's original intentions
59:37 - The renewal of all things

S6E170: The Other Realm w/ Thabani - The Divine Council

Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Thabani discuss the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm. They explore the biblical worldview of the spiritual realm, including the role of the sons of God and the divine council. They also discuss the African worldview, which includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits. The conversation highlights the similarities and differences between the two views and the impact of these beliefs on African culture. The episode concludes with a preview of future topics and a call for listener input.

Takeaways
- The biblical worldview of the spiritual realm includes the existence of the sons of God and the divine council, who rule over the nations on behalf of Yahweh.
- The African worldview of the spiritual realm includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits, who are consulted and appeased through rituals and ceremonies.
- There are similarities and differences between the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm, and these beliefs have a significant impact on African culture and practices.
- Future episodes will explore topics such as witchcraft, ghosts, and demons from a biblical perspective.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
06:27 - The Biblical View of the Spiritual Realm
16:49 - The African View of the Spiritual Realm
31:53 - Belief Systems and Practices in African Culture
44:53 - Future Topics and Conclusion

S6E169: New Creation 6: Broken Relationships

Tue, 05 Mar 2024 14:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team explores the concept of the undoing of creation and the thread of creation and new creation in the Bible. They emphasize the importance of living in Christ as a community of new creation. In this conversation, the team discusses the themes of trust, restoration, and living in a fallen and renewed world. They explore the challenges God presents to empire and the pattern of God's challenges throughout the Bible. The hosts also discuss the frustration of ambiguity in new creation and the need for God's intervention in restoring broken relationships.

Takeaways
- Living as new creations requires a conscious effort to align one's actions and attitudes with the values and principles of the Christian faith.
- The frustration with others not living as new creations highlights the tension between personal growth and the influence of external factors.
- The Bible presents a narrative of creation and new creation, with the goal of restoring and renewing the world through God's intervention.
- Living in Christ as new creations involves embracing a new way of being and striving to align one's life with the teachings and example of Jesus. Trust in God is essential in living in a fallen and renewed world.
- God challenges empire and offers new creation in response to injustice and de-creation.
- Obedience and sin have cosmic effects and impact relationships.
- Restoration of broken relationships requires trust and cannot be achieved through human efforts alone.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates
01:05 - Fashion and Comfort
06:18 - Shopping at Lululemon
09:27 - Frustration with Others Not Living as New Creations
10:30 - Focus of the Episode: New Creation
13:05 - Striving to Live as New Creations
18:12 - The Thread of Creation and New Creation
26:23 - Living in Christ as New Creations
27:16 - Bible Discussion Group
28:08 - Introduction and Pronunciation of Habakkuk
28:34 - God's Challenges to Empire
29:36 - The Pattern of God's Challenges
30:31 - The Role of Trust in New Creation
32:30 - Living in a Vandalized World
33:39 - Restoration and Trust in God
36:06 - Learning to Trust God
37:32 - Wisdom and Trusting God
39:01 - Obedience and Sin in a Fallen World
40:07 - Living in a Fallen and Renewed World
42:46 - The Frustration of Ambiguity in New Creation
45:32 - Broken Relationships and Restoration
48:48 - The Inability to Fix the Situation
54:11 - The Story of the Prodigal Son
01:02:31 - Conclusion and Preview of Next Episode

S6E168: New Creation 5: The Absence of Good

Mon, 26 Feb 2024 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Gianna Hearn returns to the Eikon Podcast and shares updates on her life. The conversation then transitions to the topic of new creation, focusing on the differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. They explore different interpretations of these chapters and emphasize the importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 rather than Genesis 3. The conversation explores the themes of sin, repentance, and the purpose of human beings in the context of the biblical narrative. It emphasizes the importance of beginning the story in Genesis 1 and 2, which highlights the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans. The discussion challenges the traditional view of sin as solely breaking the rules and presents a more holistic understanding of sin as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good. It also highlights the significance of repentance as a turning back to God and the hope of being restored to the image of God

Takeaways
- Differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2
- Interpretations of Genesis 1 and 2
- The importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 Begin the biblical narrative in Genesis 1 and 2 to understand the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans.
- Sin should be understood as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good, rather than solely breaking rules.
- Repentance involves turning back to God and embracing the purpose of being an image bearer.
- Humans are mortal beings who need God for eternal life and the fulfillment of their purpose.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Life Updates
09:53 - Starting the Conversation on New Creation
13:36 - Genesis 1 and Genesis 2: Differences and Similarities
26:01 - Starting in Genesis 1 and 2
28:03 - The Importance of Genesis 1 and 2
28:49 - The Story of Sin
29:19 - The Motivating Factor
30:18 - Beginning with Genesis 1 and 2
31:16 - The Hope in a Positive Light
32:14 - A Robust Theology of Sin
34:32 - Sin as the Absence of Goodness
36:01 - Breaking Rules vs. Doing Good
39:20 - Image Bearing and Sin Management
41:37 - Repentance: Turning Back to God
48:11 - Genesis 2 as a Temple
54:56 - Humans as Mortal Beings
58:33 - The Tree of Life

The Misfits E3: Bonus Patreon Episode

Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:00:00 -0600

Summary
This episode delves into the pressure to be okay in church culture and the importance of creating a space where it's okay not to be okay. The concept of being seen or invisible is explored, highlighting the significance of feeling understood and validated. The conversation also touches on the need for a culture of lament and wrestling with God, acknowledging the complexities of life and the presence of suffering.

Takeaways
- Feeling unseen can arise in various contexts, including church culture and racial experiences.
- The temptation to change oneself to fit expectations and be seen is common but should be navigated with grace.
- Being seen for who you truly are requires a diverse and inclusive community that values personal stories.
- Fostering cultures that truly see and value individuals is essential for creating a sense of belonging and unity.

Chapters
00:00 - Introverts and Extroverts during Quarantine
06:34 - Enjoying the Quarantine as an Introvert
13:01 - Church Culture and the Pressure to be Okay
19:46 - Creating a Culture of Being Seen or Invisible
27:36 - The Importance of Lament and Wrestling with God
35:47 - The God Who Sees and Stoops Down
39:04 - Ways Church Culture Can Make Misfits Feel Unseen
40:25 - Feeling Unseen
41:14 - Racial and Cultural Experiences
42:10 - Church Culture and Expectations
43:37 - Feeling Unvalued
44:38 - Overcoming Expectations
45:29 - Fear of Public Speaking
46:12 - Favoritism and Exclusion
47:28 - Associating with Others
48:37 - Feeling Used
50:33 - Being Seen for Who You Are
53:08 - Superficial Connections
55:36 - Cultures that Foster Being Seen

S6E167: New Creation 4: The One Where God Wants to Live in Our Space

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:00:00 -0600

In this conversation, Michael and Jason discuss the purpose and meaning of Genesis 1 and 2. They emphasize that Genesis is not a scientific account of the physical formation of the universe, but rather a theological narrative about God's desire to dwell with humanity within the themes of creation and new creation in the Bible. They explore the ancient structure of creation, with its seven days and God's rest on the seventh day. They also discuss the idea of creation as a temple, where God desires to dwell with humanity. The conversation raises the question of whether we sometimes exalt the text of the Bible over faith and God, and the dangers of doing so. They suggest reading the scriptures with more openness and humility, focusing on the heart of God rather than getting lost in the text.

Takeaways
Genesis 1 and 2 are not scientific accounts, but theological narratives about God's desire to dwell with humanity.
The goodness of creation emphasizes God's intention to create a space for humans to dwell with Him.
Humans are called to be stewards of creation and participate in bringing order and purpose to the world.
Creation suffers due to human sin and rebellion against God's calling.
The ultimate goal of creation is for God to dwell with humanity in new creation.

Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Schedule Change
10:09 - The Purpose of Genesis 1 and 2
12:46 - Understanding Creation in Genesis
18:29 - The Significance of 'Good' in Genesis
28:02 - The Desire for God to Dwell with Us
33:33 - Creation Suffers Due to Human Sin
37:33 - The Teleos of Creation
41:43 - The Role of Humans as Image Bearers
42:58 - The Ancient Structure of Creation
45:11 - The Seventh Day and God's Rest
48:11 - Creation as a Temple
50:57 - God's Desire to Dwell with Us
55:38 - Exalting the Text Over God
59:38 - The Danger of Biblicism
01:03:42 - The Hermeneutic of Expectancy

S6E166: The Other Realm w/ Thabani Mashava

Mon, 12 Feb 2024 02:00:00 -0600

Thabani Antony Mashava shares his experiences and insights into the spiritual realm and African beliefs in this conversation. He discusses growing up in Zimbabwe and the prevalence of spiritual practices and rituals. Thabani also explores the challenges faced by African Christians in navigating the spiritual realm and reconciling traditional beliefs with their faith. The conversation highlights the differences in worldview between the Western world and Africa, as well as the significance of Chipinge as a hub of witchcraft in Zimbabwe.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
06:12 - Growing Up in Zimbabwe and African Beliefs
17:06 - Navigating the Spiritual Realm as a Christian
23:03 - The Western World's View of the Supernatural
25:56 - Thabani's Background and Experiences
36:27 - Worldview and Beliefs in Zimbabwe
42:40 - The Significance of Chipinge

S6E165: New Creation 3: Creation and Formation

Mon, 05 Feb 2024 02:00:00 -0600

Summary
Michael and Jason discuss the importance of understanding Genesis 1 in its ancient Near Eastern context. They emphasize that the purpose of Genesis 1 is to show God's intention to dwell with His creation and His desire for a relationship with His people. They also highlight the need for living in a way that reflects God's creation and the importance of ongoing formation and growth in the Christian life. Ultimately, the conversation points to the idea of an embodied faith and life together as God's children.

Takeaways
- Understanding Genesis 1 in its ancient Near Eastern context is crucial for grasping its intended meaning.
- The overarching theme of the Bible is God's desire to dwell with His people.
- Living in a way that reflects God's creation and order is important for believers.
- Formation and growth are essential in the Christian life. Moving from theory to action is crucial in our faith journey.
- Practices such as lament and community gatherings can help us embody the teachings of scripture.
- Relationships and community play a vital role in our spiritual formation.
- A solely devotional approach to faith may limit our growth and understanding.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage
08:06 - Understanding Genesis 1 in its Ancient Near Eastern Context
13:11 - The Purpose of Genesis 1: God's Intention to Dwell with His Creation
29:10 - The Overarching Theme of the Bible: God's Desire to Dwell with His People
35:06 - The Importance of Living in a Way that Reflects God's Creation
38:00 - The Need for Formation and Growth in the Christian Life
40:00 - Moving from Theory to Action
43:43 - Forming Community through Lament
46:46 - Practices for Love and Kindness
50:27 - The Role of Relationships in Spiritual Formation
55:26 - Moving Beyond Devotional Life
59:37 - Embodied Faith and Life Together

S6R164: New Creation 2: Creation is Good

Mon, 29 Jan 2024 02:00:00 -0600

Jason and Michael examine the creation focus of Psalm 19 and consider the huge implications for creation, God's vision of justice, and ultimately new creation, when we understand that God's creation was good and will be fully restored to that goodness one day.

S6E163: New Creation: Getting Creation Wrong

Mon, 22 Jan 2024 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team begins a new series on New Creation. They discuss why it is important to start our discussion with creation and how we can often misinterpret creation as described in the Bible, using Michael's inability to correctly construct a new bed as an illustration of why it is vital to understand creation correctly.

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S5E162: The Year-End Episode

Mon, 18 Dec 2023 02:00:00 -0600

It's that time of year for our annual year-end episode where the Eikon team shares their lists of favorite books and podcasts.

S5E161: The Revelation's Relevance: Our Takeaways from the Revelation Series

Mon, 20 Nov 2023 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Gianna talk about the importance of Revelation's message for today's church and what stood out to them most from our series on Revelation.

S5E160: Israel and the Fate of the World, Revelation and Dispensationalism, Pt. 3

Mon, 06 Nov 2023 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Jason conclude their discussion on dispensationalism's impact on American Christianity well beyond its own adherents. They consider what the role of Israel is and is not and whether 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3 point to a future rapture and destruction of the earth.

S5E159: Inventing the Rapture: Revelation and Dispensationalism, Pt. 2

Mon, 30 Oct 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Jason, Gianna, and Michael discuss the creation of the dispensational approach to reading Revelation and how that approach continues to have massive ongoing implications in the present day's spiritual, cultural, and political realms.

S5E158: Inventing the Rapture: Revelation and Dispensationalism, Pt. 1

Mon, 23 Oct 2023 02:00:00 -0500

S5E157: What About Uncreation? Revelation and the Day of the Lord

Mon, 16 Oct 2023 02:00:00 -0500

The Day of the Lord is an often-misunderstood motif in Scripture but one that is vital to comprehending the message of Revelation and what will happen to all empires, including those operating today.

Here is the link for those interested in the latest squatch watch discussed in the opening of the episode.

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S5E156: Who is the Antichrist? Revelation and the Beast

Mon, 09 Oct 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Gianna examine the biblical passages about the beast, the mark of the beast, and the antichrist. Who or what are they and what do we need to know about them today?

S5E155: Don't Trust What You Hear: Revelation and the Lamb

Mon, 02 Oct 2023 02:00:00 -0500

We have all been trained by the world around us to believe that strength, might, and power is what is needed to make change in the world, defend those in need, and to live a victorious life. But John turns that on its head and shows a very unexpected path to victory.

S3E154: Do Dogs Go to Heaven? Revelation and the New Creation

Mon, 18 Sep 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jason, and Gianna take a sidestep in the Revelation series to discuss grief over the loss of a pet and whether animals, specifically our beloved pets, will be part of the new creation.

S5E153: Stop Waiting for the Future: Revelation and the New Jerusalem

Mon, 04 Sep 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason take a look at the function of the New Jerusalem in Revelation, what it meant for the original readers, and its significance for us today.

Links to Upcoming Events:

Image Bearers Conference – Sept. 9
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Jesus and Justice Conference – Sept. 30 in LA
https://www.csj117org/jesus-justice

S5E152: Babylon Has Fallen: Revelation and Discernment

Mon, 28 Aug 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jason, and Gianna look at the description of the great city of Babylon in Revelation as they consider what John is communicating through the use of this biblical motif and why is a bit veiled about the identity of the great prostitute.

S5E151: Heaven Isn't What You Think: Revelation and Space

Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team analyzes the ancient view of space, including heaven, and earth.

S5E150: When Will the World End?: Revelation and Prediction

Mon, 14 Aug 2023 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team evaluates readings of Revelation that are rooted in our cultural view of time and discuss how it impacts our understanding if we utilize the cultural view of time from John's day.

S5E149: Winners Wear Nikes: Revelation and Success

Sun, 06 Aug 2023 23:00:00 -0500

Michael, Gianna, and Jason examine the Roman cultural fascination with Nike and how John confronts the topic, completely flipping it on its head.

S5E148: Hip Hop and the Prophetic Voice: Revelation and Prophecy

Mon, 17 Jul 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason take a look at the often-puzzling prophetic language in Revelation that often seems to borrow or mimic the Old Testament prophets but never quote them and frequently changes their words.

S5E147: Chosen by God: Revelation and Myths of the Nations

Mon, 10 Jul 2023 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team delves into the underlying myths that Rome believed about itself as important background to understanding both the book of Revelation and ourselves.

S5E146: A Trained Imagination: Revelation as Subversion

Mon, 03 Jul 2023 00:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team analyzes the central role that imagination has in the writing, reading, and understanding of Revelation.

S5E145: Eat the Children: Revelation as Literature

Mon, 26 Jun 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Jason, Gianna, and Michael return from their extended break and jump right into a new series on Revelation. They begin by looking at clues within the opening verses about what type of literature the Revelation is and discuss what that means for how we should and should not expect to read it.

Selected resource list (in no particular order):

1. Revelation for the Rest of Us – Scot McKnight
2. Reading Revelation Responsibly – Michael Gorman
3. Revelation Commentary – Brian Blount
4. Revelation as Civil Disobedience – Thomas Slater
5. Unholy Allegiances – David A. DeSilva
6. For the Healing of the Nations – Justo Gonzalez
7. Reversed Thunder – Eugene Peterson
8. The Rapture Exposed – Barbara Russing
9. After Dispensationalism – Brian Irwin
10. The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism – Daniel Hummel
11. Apocalypse and Allegiance – J. Nelson Kraybill
12. Comfort and Protest – Allan Boesak
13. Unveiling Empire – Wes Howard-Brook
14. Revelation and the Politics of Apocalyptic Interpretation – Richard B. Hays
15. Discovering Revelation – David DeSilva
16. Revelation & the End of All Things – Craig Koester
17. The Theology of the Book of Revelation – Richard Bauckham
18. Word Biblical Commentary: Revelation (3 Volumes) – David E. Aune)
19. The Anchor Yale Bible: Revelation – Craig Koester
20. The Home of God – Miroslav Volf

S4E144: When God Calls for Justice, Ephesians 6:10-20

Mon, 03 Apr 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Paul called for followers of Jesus to be imitators of God before laying out what that would look like. In Ephesians 6:10-20, he challenges the church to fight God's battle using God's weapons. Jason and Michael explain how that often looks much different than we might expect, and because of that, we often don't even engage in the battle that God wants us to fight.

S4E143: Biblical Submission, Ephesians 5:21-6:9

Mon, 27 Mar 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Why, in the middle of a letter about the vital nature of unity in the midst of a cosmic attack from the powers and authorities, does Paul suddenly turn to a marriage and parenting workshop for the church? The Eikon team considers the cultural context of Paul's letter and discusses how that may not be at all what Paul was doing. Understanding the contexts of Paul's writing help us understand biblical submission and how Paul envisioned it radically challenging the culture around them.

S4E142: What Is Being Filled with the Spirit? Ephesians 5:3-21

Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Conversations about what it means to be filled with the Holy Spirit often focus on the spectacular and the individual. The Eikon team examines what Paul says it looks like and it may not be what you'd expect.

S4E141: Sin Manager or Image Bearer?, Ephesians 4:17-5:2

Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:00:00 -0500

Did Paul envision a collection of sin managers or a community of image-bearers? What's the difference and why does it matter?

S4E140: Misusing Unity, Ephesians 4:7-16

Mon, 06 Mar 2023 02:00:00 -0600

For Paul, the Church was locked into a cosmic battle with the powers and authorities. It was a battle that Christ had already secured but the churches failed to embody that victory through their love and unity. The Eikon team considers what Paul believed the gift of unity should look like and how we often misuse the notion of unity to silence those that disagree with us or that have had differing experiences.

S4E139 - Is the Church the Kingdom of God? Special Episode

Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:00:00 -0600

A Special release of our Patreon Exclusive show Do We Need the Church?

Michael and Jason have a lively and explosive discussion on whether the church is synonymous with the kingdom of God and the implications of believing one way or the other.

S4E138: The Center of Our Identity, Ephesians 4:1-6

Mon, 20 Feb 2023 02:00:00 -0600

Paul called followers of Jesus to unity and oneness because that is the very nature of God and what he wants for the world. Our identity is in Christ but what is the practical center of that identity; how do we most clearly express and identify with that identity? Was it moral behavior, church growth, or did Paul have something else in mind?

S4E137: Have We Made an Idol of the Church? Ephesians 3:14-21

Mon, 13 Feb 2023 02:00:00 -0600

At the end of Ephesians, 3 Paul prays that the church's eyes may be opened to the victory that God has secured for them in Christ. Yet, it was a battle that many of them did not even realize they were fighting. Even more surprising is that we are engaged in that same battle and are even more unaware of it. The Eikon Team looks at the reality of that battle and considers the dangers to the church. One of the factors that amplify the dangers of this battle is when Christians find their primary identity in the church rather than in Christ. They talk about the subtle temptation of finding our identity in the church, the temporary benefits of doing so, as well as the disastrous long-term effects.

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S4E136: Should We Try to Make the Church Look Good? Ephesians 3:1-13

Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:00:00 -0600

Paul says that the church is the wisdom of God on display to the powers and authorities. What does he mean by that? Should this drive us towards excellence and trying to make the church look good and triumphant in everything it does? Or should it drive the church more and more to transparency, self-emptying love, and sacrifice that brings justice, mercy, and unifying equality that is put on display to the world? The Eikon team pulls apart Ephesians 3:1-13 and considers what is the mystery of Christ.

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S4E135: Is God Losing the Culture? Ephesians 2:11-22

Sun, 29 Jan 2023 02:00:00 -0600

Nearly 2,000 years ago Paul claimed that through Christ God had defeated the powers and authorities that sew structural injustice and human division on a mass scale. That was a claim that seemed outlandish and unfounded in the first century and even more so today. In this episode, the Eikon team looks at the evidence that Paul claimed demonstrated that God was not losing the culture but had already won. Was he right?
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S4E134: What is Salvation? Ephesians 2:1-10

Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:00:00 -0600

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Jason, Gi, and Michael make their way through Ephesians 2:1-10 and examine just what Paul meant when he said that we are saved by grace. Have we, at times, transformed Paul's words to mean something other than what he was intending to say?

S4E133: The Sin We Erased, Ephesians 1:15-23

Mon, 16 Jan 2023 02:00:00 -0600

As Paul prays for spiritual awareness for his first-century readers, he describes to them the reality of the spiritual battle ahead. The Eikon team dissects Paul's description of this battle and discusses the category of sin that was so important to Paul but that modern Christians have all but erased from our consciousness and have left ourselves completely vulnerable to its ravages as a result.

S4E132: Time for Change or More of the Same? Ephesians 1:1-14

Mon, 09 Jan 2023 02:00:00 -0600

What does it mean to be in Christ and why did Paul describe it in such detail in the opening verses of Ephesians? The Eikon team wrestles with that and considers what this all has to do with the great cosmic battle that Paul is about to describe. They also consider what this might mean for American Christianity and whether we need to grip tighter to the past or if it's time for radical change to realign with the Gospel.

S4E131: What Are You Going to Do? Mark 16:1-?

Mon, 19 Dec 2022 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team arrives at the end of Mark and explores where Mark ended his gospel and why. Did he intend a somewhat puzzling ending in verse 8 that challenges readers or a more triumphal ending in verse 20 that inspires readers?

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Jason's Favorite Reads of 2022:
The Drama of Doctrine: A Canonical-Linguistic Approach to Christian Theology - Kevin Vanhoozer
For the Time Being: A Christmas Oratorio - W.H. Auden
How to Inhabit Time: Understanding the Past, Facing the Future, Living Faithfully Now - James K.A. Smith
Open Mind, Open Heart: The Contemplative Dimension of the Gospel - Thomas Keating
My Bright Abyss: Meditation of a Modern Believer - Christian Wilman

Michael's Favorite Reads of 2022:
What if Jesus Was Serious About the Church - Skye Jethani
Dear White Peacemakers: Dismantling Racism with Grit and Grace
Becoming the Gospel: Paul, Participation, and Mission - Michael Gorman
The Patient Ferment of the Early Church: The Improbable Rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire - Alan Kreider
You Are Not Your Own: Belonging to God in an Inhuman World - Alan Noble

S4E130: Have You Shrunk the Cross? Mark 15:33-41

Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:00:00 -0600

The Cross is the center of Mark's Gospel. Even though most Christian churches would identify it as their community's central symbol and heart, are we in danger of making the Cross too small? Have we embraced important elements of it but missed aspects that are just as important? The Eikon team looks at the tragedy of crucifixion but argues that the Cross is anything but. And understanding the difference is vitally important.

S4E129: Making the Wrong Choice, Mark 15:1-20

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team looks at Mark's stringing together of three incidents where people have the truth and wisdom of God right in front of them but tragically reject it, opting for power. But in those acts of rejection, the cross-shaped king takes his throne. These incidents should cause us to reflect on ways that we might reject the truth of the cross for something a little more comfortable and to our liking.

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S4E128:Is Non-Violence Central to the Gospel? Mark 14:32-52.

Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:00:00 -0600

The Eikon team examines the emotional evening at Gethsemane and the events that immediately followed and wrestle with questions that arise as the way of the cross intersects with the violence of the world. Was non-violence a central tenet of the early church and if so, why is it not for many churches today? Would the early Christians have seen that as an anti-gospel?

S4E127: Hating the Haters, Mark 14:17-26

Mon, 21 Nov 2022 02:00:00 -0600

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While having a type of Passover meal with his new family, Jesus redefined the temple presence of God, gave meaning to a renewed covenant with God, and demonstrated one of the most shocking and personal acts of patient love in the entire New Testament. The Eikon team looks at this touching personal moment between Jesus and his closest disciples and discusses the immense challenge of imitating Jesus' heart and character shown here in our own lives.

S4E126: Is the Rapture Real? Mark 13:1-37

Mon, 14 Nov 2022 02:00:00 -0600

Is Mark 13 about the end of the world and the rapture? The Eikon team welcomes Gianna back, looks at Mark 13 in its historical context, and delves into the relatively brief history of the church's rapture and the cultural impact it has had on modern Christianity.

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S4E125: Misusing Spiritual Authority, Mark 12:38-44

Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:00:00 -0600

Jesus reserved his most direct critiques for spiritual leaders who used their position to advance their own prestige and position rather than laying down their lives for others. The Eikon team looks at two short passages where Jesus takes on this kind of misuse of authority and then discussed how that should warn and challenge spiritual leaders in today's church.

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S4E124: Pick a Side, Mark 12:13-17

Mon, 31 Oct 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team looks at one of Jesus' most explosive confrontations. Those who were embroiled in his day's political issues demanded that he choose a side and publicly declare his loyalties. What Jesus did next shocked everyone and continues to challenge and guide us today in some of the most contentious areas of our faith.

S4E123: He Looked for Justice, Mark 11:12-26

Mon, 24 Oct 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Mark 11:12-26 depicts Jesus cursing a fig tree and acting subversively in the Temple. These are actions that are largely lost on a modern audience but ones that were clearly understood by both Jesus' disciples and the Jewish leaders, a rare occurrence that should tip us off to the importance of what Jesus was doing. What he did in the Temple was so confrontational that is likely the single act that caused Jesus to be killed. Yet, we can be very much in danger of missing the importance of justice to Jesus and the implications of not pursuing it.

S4E122: Seeking God or Transformed by Jesus?, Mark 11:1-11

Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The tone and focus of Mark shift dramatically in Chapter 11 as Jesus finally arrives in Jerusalem. Competing visions of the meaning of Jesus' kingship clash as the crowds do not get the crescendo they appear to be hoping for. The crowds were seeking God but were they willing to be transformed by Jesus? The Eikon team considers the depth and profundity of that question and talks about what exactly Jesus was doing and what Mark wants us to see. Today's guest co-host is Stevi Wood from Eau Claire, Wisconsin.

Note: This episode mentions a short interview update with Gianna Hearn will be at the end of the episode. Unfortunately, there are some technical difficulties with that. We will try to have that update as a separate very short bonus episode later in the week if possible.

S4E121: Spiritually Blind, Mark 10:46-52.

Mon, 10 Oct 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Mark's challenge to the church hits its high point in this account of a blind man named Bartimaeus. His warning: the disciples who were in the closest proximity to Jesus were spiritually blind and didn't know it. What does take to be the fourth soil from the parable of the sower? It wasn't the disciples who showed the way. It was one of the least likely people. The Eikon team welcomes special guest, Deniedra Fontenette, and discusses the implications of Mark's challenge for the contemporary church.

S4E120: Power, Mark 10:32-45

Mon, 03 Oct 2022 07:00:00 -0500

In Mark 10:32-45, Jesus lays out the way of the cross for the third time, culminating in his unmistakable direction that does not include using power over others. The Eikon team welcomes special guest Shara Saget from the DFW Church as they wrestle with Jesus' challenge and discuss how seductive power can be for Christians, Christian leaders, and churches. Have we far too often given into its temptations and allowed power and manipulation into the church?

S4E119: Would You Have Done Better? Mark 10:17-31

Mon, 05 Sep 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The account of Jesus' interaction with the rich young man is one of the more well-known of all the Gospels. It's a tragic tale of a man who could not let go of the thing that he loved the most when Jesus gave him one of the most difficult challenges for anyone he called to follow him. It leaves us to wonder if we would have responded more faithfully than he did. But was the call all that unusual? Was it any different from the call we receive to follow Jesus? The Eikon team looks a little deeper into what Jesus was trying to tell this man and anyone who would be his disciple. But first, they take a look at the student loan forgiveness plan in the US and discuss those using biblical reasoning for their position on this new policy.

S4E118: Hindering the Younger Generation? Mark 10:13-16

Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The disciples of Jesus wanted to keep children away from him. The Eikon team considers why that happened, what Mark wanted to convey in recounting this misunderstanding on their part, and the warning present for the church today. Can we become an obstacle to the younger generation or any other marginalized group, all the while thinking we are doing the right thing? They also discuss the church's response to what is often called postmodernity and how that plays into this conversation.

S4E117: Is My Group the Only Christians? Mark 9:38-41

Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team dives into Mark 9:38-41 and discusses the implications of Jesus' challenging of the disciples assumptions about those that are not part of their small circle.

S4E116:The Benefit of the Doubt, Mark 9:14-29

Mon, 15 Aug 2022 02:00:00 -0500

One of the more memorable interactions with Jesus in Mark's Gospel involves frustrated disciples, a demonically attacked young man, and a desperate father struggling in the murky ground between faith and doubt. The Eikon team enters this story, challenging us to see doubt for the positive force it can sometimes be and to enter this narrative in the way that Mark wants us to. They discuss how, once again, this passage in Mark is deeply relevant to today's issues like progressive theology and deconstruction.

S4E115: You Can't Have It All and Follow Him, Mark 9:1-12

Mon, 01 Aug 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The transfiguration is one of the more puzzling passages in the Gospels. Moses and Elijah appear, and Jesus is suddenly glowing? What is that all about? When we are rooted in the background of the Hebrew Bible and the ongoing context of Mark, it all makes much more sense than we might normally suspect. The Eikon Team jumps into this passage and shows this passage makes perfect sense in Mark's ongoing challenge to the church. They then consider how this passage both encourages and calls the contemporary church higher. They even explain how Paul's baptism for the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:29 might play into all of this.

S4E114: What Does It Really Mean to Deny Yourself? - Mark 8:34-38

Mon, 25 Jul 2022 06:00:00 -0500

Mark 8:34-38 is one of the most well-known and often referenced passages on discipleship. Yet, points out the Eikon team, we have grown so accustomed to making assumptions about the meaning of common English phrases and skipping over the context of passages to apply them directly to us as individuals today, that we often neglect the true challenge and significance of what the author wants us to see. So, what was Jesus saying about discipleship? It might be even more applicable to our current situation of culture wars, division, and power struggles than we have imagined.

Bonus Episode: Jordan Peterson and His Message to the Church

Fri, 22 Jul 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Psychologist Jordan Peterson, a self-proclaimed agnostic, released a video message to Christian churches last week that had gone viral in some circles of Christianity. Is he on point or off base? The Eikon team discusses what they believe about that and the importance of being able to tell the difference.

S4E113: The Way of the Cross and the Culture Wars, Mark 8:27-33

Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team arrives at our discussion at the turning point of Mark's Gospel. Jesus finally makes plain the life to which he is calling his disciples. And they immediately reject it. We often chuckle at Peter's boldness to reject and rebuke Jesus, but do we do the same thing in our lives? Have large portions of Christianity done just as Peter did as we engage in the so-called culture wars?

S4E112: Blind Man Can See It: Have We Missed the Meaning of Carrying Our Cross?, Mark 8:22-26

Mon, 11 Jul 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Mark 8:22-26 contains one of the strangest events in Jesus' life. Why does Mark record an interaction between Jesus and a blind man that seems to go terribly wrong, at least at first. The Eikon team breaks down this important enacted parable and discusses why it was so important to the disciples and to the church today. Is it possible that we have missed the primary meaning of carrying our cross and what should be our response if that is indeed the case?

S4E111: The Yeast of the Pharisees and Roe, Mark 8:14-21

Mon, 04 Jul 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Jesus has been trying to teach his disciples what it really means to follow him but they just could not grasp the message. This puts them in danger of trying to bring about the kingdom through the wrong methods and means. The Eikon team examines Mark 8:14-21 to find out just what Jesus did to make this clear to his followers and what Mark is doing to apply this same challenge to the church. They discuss how this same warning can be very timely in light of contemporary events like the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding Roe v. Wade.

S4E110: What Keeps Us from a Kingdom Imagination? Mark 8:1-13

Mon, 27 Jun 2022 02:00:00 -0500

This week the Eikon team looks at Mark 8:1-13 and the feeding of the 4,000. They reveal Mark's awe-inspiring reasons for including two similar feeding miracles and why that message is just as relevant for us today as it was for the original readers. We can easily fall into the line of thinking that acts as though the problems we face in the world today are too big for kingdom solutions, but this passage in Mark exposes and challenges that kind of limited imagination.

S4E109: Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory...or have they? Mark 6:45-52

Mon, 20 Jun 2022 02:00:00 -0500

In Mark 6:45-52 Mark crafts the incredible account of Jesus passing by the disciples while walking on the water. The Eikon team explores this passage and discusses what Mark was communicating about Jesus to his readers as well as how and why the disciples were in very real danger. They then discuss how we can fall prey to the same factors that caused the disciples to miss what was happening right in front of them.

S4E108 - The Zero-Sum Game, Mark 6:30-44

Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team examines Mark 6:30-44 and the incredible story of Jesus feeding the 5,000. They look at some important, but often missed details in that account that demonstrate Mark's explosive purposes for crafting that incident in the way that he has. Central to the discussion is a way of life challenged by Jesus that has taken deep roots in today's social and political culture which makes this portion of Mark's gospel one of the more relevant passages in the entire book.

S4E107: The Mini Episode

Mon, 23 May 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team shares a very special "news" story and discusses the upcoming two-week break before resuming the study of the Gospel of Mark.

S4E106: Cruciformity or Conversionism? Mark 6:6-13

Mon, 16 May 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Looking at Mark 6:6-13, the Eikon team discusses what Jesus was doing when he sent the apostles on a special two-by-two mission, what they might have thought they were being sent to do, and why Mark crafted this account the way he did. At the heart of this passage is a community that is being created with Cruciformity at its center rather than conversionism. The team then discusses the implications of that reality for today's church.

S4E105: A Prophet Without Honor; Mark 6:1-6

Mon, 09 May 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon Team takes on the beginning of Mark 6, taking a second look at Jesus in his hometown.

S4E104: Separated by Status? Mark 5:21-43

Mon, 02 May 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon Team dives into one of the Gospel of Mark's most beautifully crafted passages. Two women, separated by status, circumstance, age, social position, support system, and many other ways but see their stories intersect as they interact with Jesus. There is much in these two stories that we can miss with a modern eye but as we dive into the text, we have the opportunity to see what Mark did not want us to miss about the kingdom of God and the Messiah that was bringing it into the present age.

S4E103: Going to the Dark Places; Mark 5:1-20

Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Mark 5:1-20 is one of the darker and stranger scenes in all of Mark's Gospel. Jesus encounters a demon-possessed Gentile in a graveyard by the sea surrounded by herds of swine. From a Jewish perspective, it cannot get much worse than that. The Eikon team breaks down this scene as well as discussing who Jesus may have really been confronting here and why he might have sent the legion of demons into the herd of pigs.

S4E102: Do We Have Ears to Hear? Mark 4:21-25

Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:00:00 -0500

The Eikon team moves to Mark 4:21-25 to continue examination of the Parable of the Sower, a parable so important that Jesus said if we don't grasp the heart of this parable, we will misunderstand everything that he is about. They explore what Jesus meant when he said that "whoever has will be given more" and "whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them," and how our individualistic materialism can get in the way of us truly catching his point. They finish with thoughts on the gravity and meaning of this passage for the contemporary church.

S4E101: Have We Been Misreading the Parable of the Sower? w/Tim Gombis; Mark 4:1-20

Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Author and Theologian, Tim Gombis, joins the Eikon Living team to discuss the Parable of the Sower. When Jesus first taught the Parable of the Sower, he made clear that not only was it pivotal to understanding his ministry, but also that many who would hear would misunderstand it and not put it into practice. Gombis walks through this foundational parable, showing how it provides a textual map for the rest of Mark, how we can miss important elements of it just as Jesus' disciples did, and how we can rightly understand and rightly respond to the challenge of it today.

Tim Gombis is the host of the "Faith Improvised" podcast and author of several books including, "Power in Weakness," The Drama of Ephesians," and "The Story of God Bible Commentary: Mark."

S4E100: Why Mary Thought Jesus was Crazy; Mark 3:20-35

Tue, 05 Apr 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Looking at Mark 3:20-35, the Eikon team discusses important things to watch for when reading biblical texts. They demonstrate how Mark ties his text together to show that both Jesus' family and the teachers of the law were making dangerous miscalculations about the way of the Messiah. They finish up considering whether we can commit unforgivable sins today.

S4E99: To Sabbath or Not to Sabbath?

Mon, 28 Mar 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Jesus constantly seemed to take aim at the Sabbath practices of his day. Before we begin to ask what that means for us and whether or not we should be observing a Sabbath today, the Eikon Living team analyzes what Sabbath was, what it was intended for, and how it was approached by many of the Jewish believers of Jesus’ day. The reality is, they conclude, that Sabbath was a much bigger and deeper concept than we tend to understand today, a reality that has major implications for how we might think about and approach Sabbath today. They then discuss why the early Christians were so opposed to a physical observation of Sabbath and whether contemporary Christians should observe Sabbath, and if so, what it might look like.

S4E98: A People That Exclude or Embrace, Mark 2:13-17

Mon, 21 Mar 2022 02:00:00 -0500

One of the primary themes in Mark’s Gospel and one of his main challenges to the church revolves around our view of insiders and outsiders. Jesus constantly challenged those preconceptions about people that were typically excluded and marginalized. Rather than building fences to keep them out, he embraced those very people. But he didn’t stop there. Throughout his gospel Mark highlights that Jesus also challenged the insider status of those that were the most confident about their standing before God. His seeming intention was to critique the church of the generation after Christ and cause them to examine their own views about insiders and outsiders.

Nowhere is that clearer in Mark’s Gospel than in today’s study of Mark 2:13-17. The Eikon Living Team discusses why Jesus was always hanging around the wrong people, what that meant in his day, and why that should challenge us to think about our own spiritual communities and how we treat others. They discuss the implications of Mark Baker’s book, Centered Set Church when it comes to being a bounded, centered, or fuzzy group.

S4E97: Punching Putin in the Mouth?, Mark 1:21-28

Mon, 14 Mar 2022 02:00:00 -0500

Do we fully understand the implications of the Gospel accounts surrounding Jesus’ confrontations with the demonic? The Eikon Living Team suggests that there is much more behind those encounters than we might first suppose. They also discuss why Jesus was perceived as having so much authority in his teaching, what we can learn about Jesus’ ministry from the evil use of power by Vladimir Putin, who and what are the divine council, and whether we should expect to perform exorcisms today. But first, Jason explains the context of Psalm 46:10 and why we often find comfort in that passage when the intended response was likely something very different.

S4E96: Personal Salvation or Cosmic Invasion? Mark 1:12-20

Mon, 07 Mar 2022 02:00:00 -0600

Today’s study of Mark 1:12-20 includes discussions on why Mark seems so truncated in his accounts, what Jesus meant when he pronounced the coming of the kingdom, the importance of which direction the kingdom was moving, what is discipleship according to Mark, and whether we have completely misunderstood the meaning behind the phrase “fishers of men”? The team also responds to lessons that can be gleaned from the story of a church that nullified thousands of baptisms because of one incorrect word.

S4E95: The Problem with Assumptions, Mark 1:1-11

Sun, 27 Feb 2022 02:00:00 -0600

When examining a passage Like Mark 1:1-11, it is important to be aware of what we think we already know. If we don’t analyze our own assumptions, we will bring them into the text with us which causes us to decontextualize the biblical passage without being aware this is what we’re doing. The Eikon Living team begins our contextual study of Mark in the first chapter and talks about the meaning of terms like “gospel,” “repentance,” and “baptism,” as well as discussing the primary theme of Mark. Also this week, they discuss the reliability of viral social media content about spiritual matters such as a recent viral post regarding the divine name of YHWH and human breath.

S4E94: When We Know the Bible but Not God, Mark 12:18-27

Mon, 21 Feb 2022 02:00:00 -0600

Our study of the book of Mark begins with an often-neglected passage in Mark 12. Jason and Michael explain why we are starting Mark with a strange passage about Sadducees, widows, resurrection, and Scripture. Is it possible to know the Scriptures forward and backwards and still miss the heart of God and who Jesus is? The warning from Mark is not only did the Sadducees do this, but so can we. Michael and Jason also discuss how Jesus tells us in this passage how to approach Scripture and how that will help us as we study through Mark or any other section of the Bible.

S4E93: A New Beginning for the Eikon Podcast

Mon, 14 Feb 2022 02:00:00 -0600

It's a new year. Time for a new name and a new direction! Join Gianna, Michael, and Jason as they set the stage for a new method of digging into scripture.

An Important Update on the Eikon Podcast

Fri, 28 Jan 2022 10:00:00 -0600

We will be taking an unexpected but hopefully brief hiatus. This short update explains why and when we will be back with season 4.

Bonus Episode: The Journey of the World Discipleship Summit, w/Marshall Mead

Fri, 14 Jan 2022 02:00:00 -0600

Marshall Mead, Executive Director of the World Discipleship Summit planned for July 31-August 7, 2022 in Orlando, Florida, joins Michael to share the journey of the conference that was originally planned for July, 2020. Marshall talks about the challenges of planning, postponing, and rescheduling such a large event and shares about important spiritual lessons learned during that process. He gives a rundown of the new plan and schedule for the conference as well as how it is going to be different both logistically and in content from the original 2020 plan.

For more information or to register: www.worlddiscipleshipsummit.com

S3E92: Our Favorite Books and the New Name of the Podcast

Thu, 30 Dec 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Jason share their five favorite books that they read this year and Gianna invites her husband, professional basketball player, Reggie Hearn on to share his five favorite books of the year. The lists are wide-ranging and will prove to be rich resources for the readers in the audience. Before signing off for the year in this final episode of season 4, the crew announces and explains the new name of the podcast and the direction that we will take in season 4.

Season 4 will begin on January 17th, 2022.

S3E91: Understanding the Great Lie

Mon, 27 Dec 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Michael, Jason, and Gianna review the major points of the great lie from this season, talk about why it matters for the church to understand the deception of the great lie and the danger of ignoring its effects, and chat about a few things that weren't discussed this season. Michael discusses his upcoming book on the great lie and shares a few important items that will be covered in the book that weren't explored this season on the podcast.

S3E90: What You Need to Know About Advent

Mon, 20 Dec 2021 00:00:00 -0600

Jason explains to Michael and Gianna what Advent is and why it is such a potentially important, but often overlooked or ignored, tool for the Christian community.

S3E89: The Welcome Table: Are We Being the People of Christ?

Mon, 13 Dec 2021 02:00:00 -0600

MyCresha Burns joins the podcast to talk about the welcome table and how the concept applies to our lives. She insightfully utilizes the traditional African American spiritual song to examine the biblical concepts of hospitality and welcoming the stranger. She discusses how churches that are a diverse congregation can still miss the point of the welcome table and become less than what Jesus envisioned for us to be.

S3E88: Social Justice or Saving Souls?

Mon, 06 Dec 2021 02:00:00 -0600

The discussion today centers around whether the focus of the church should be on social justice or on "preaching the gospel" and saving souls. There are groups of Christians that feel strongly about and advocate for both of those issues as the primary purpose of the church. The question is, which one is correct? Then there are those that argue for finding balance between these two areas. But what if none of those are the best position for followers of Jesus? What if there is a different way to look at this discussion that is more in line with the New Testament vision for the church?

S3E87: Antidiscipling

Mon, 29 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Why does it seem that we can tell more about how someone will interpret or respond to big issues of the day or news events based on what news shows they watch than by their faith in Christ? Michael, Gianna, and Jason talk about this phenomenon and much more today as it relates to the concept of what they are calling antidiscipling. They discuss what it is and why it has become such a powerful force in the church today.

Bonus Episode: We Don't Always Agree, w/Mark Kang

Fri, 26 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Michael and Mark Kang, a minister in the Detroit Church of Christ, have served together in the same regional family of churches for over 15 years and they agree on many things. But there are also some areas in which they disagree. Michael invited Mark on this special bonus episode and gave him an open mic to talk about whatever he wanted, point out any areas where he thinks Michael has been wrong, challenge him on anything he wishes, and ask any questions he has.

S3E86: My Identity and Those Idiots

Mon, 22 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

The Corinthian church was rife with prejudice, division, and inequity. So why would Paul open his letter by calling them holy ones of God rather than bigots, fools, or idiots? The answer is just as important to understand for our context today as it was then. Michael, Gianna, and Jason talk about this important truth of identity and what the real problem is when we label others with identity markers other than beloved image bearer of God.

S3E85, Corinth and the Great Lie, 8: Have We Been Misreading 1 Cor. 13?

Sun, 14 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Have we been misreading 1 Corinthians by neglecting its context and subsequently missing some of the true challenge that Paul laid out for disciples of Jesus in that passage? Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the historical and cultural background of one of the most famous sections of the New Testament and what it might mean for us in practice today.

Bonus Episode: Shameless Intimacy with God; w/Steve Saindon

Wed, 10 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

Author and minister, Steve Saindon, joins the podcast in a special bonus episode to speak about his new book, "Better than Wine: How Healthy Intimacy in Marriage Reveals God," as well as the upcoming 2nd annual Shameless Conference which Steve created.

You can discover more about Steve's ministry at www.n2fm.org

S3E84: Corinth and the Great Lie, 7: When Segregation and Communion Mix

Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:00:00 -0600

On this episode, Michael, Jason, and Gianna continue their look at a Roman culture that was so divided by status that they wouldn't eat or even die with one another. But they had become so blind to the ways in which they were reflecting the inequities of their culture in the life of the church that they did not even see when they were guilty of allowing the great lie to impact their partaking together in the Lord's Supper. This has some very challenging implications for today's church that are often left unexamined.

S3E83: Corinth and the Great, 6: Addressing Inequity in the Church

Mon, 01 Nov 2021 12:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jason and Gianna discuss the responsibilities that social media giants have versus personal responsibility in light of the revelations that Facebook operated under an algorithm that favored controversial and anger-inducing posts. After that they dive back into 1 Corinthians, discussing how the great lie was impacting the church in Corinth where spiritual gifts are involved. They then turn focus to Paul's solutions to how to address the inequities in the body caused by the culture and the world around them as well as by allowing aspects of this great lie take root in the life of the church.

S3E82: Corinth and the Great Lie, pt. 5: Superiority, Gender, and Head Coverings

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Michael, Jason, and Gianna Hearn dive back into our look at 1 Corinthians and its relationship to the theme of the great lie. They wade through the swampy ground of 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 and discuss what women wearing head coverings have to do with image bearing and superiority of the elite and ask if women shouldn't be covering their heads in worship after all.

The episode begins, though, with a riveting discussion of the ultimate "proof" of the existence of sasquatch and how that might relate to how we decide to believe what is true or not.

The discussion on Corinth begins at 19:04.

S3E81: The Kingdom Bringing Work of ODAAT

Mon, 18 Oct 2021 02:00:00 -0500

If you have ever wondered how you can make a real difference in your community, especially in the places that are seemingly paralyzed with drug addiction, homelessness, people hopelessly entangled in the criminal justice system, and other maladies, then you will not want to miss this episode. Mel & LaTasha Harris lead ODAAT (One Day At a Time) in some of the toughest communities in Philadelphia. They are followers of Jesus truly bringing hope to those places that need it most. Michael and Jason talk with them as well as Chip Mitchell, Evangelist in the Greater Philadelphia Church of Christ about their partnership with the GPCC, their amazing work in Philly and how you can bring your own ODAAT-type miracle to your community.

But first, Jason and Michael talk about alien abductions and their possible cause according to a new scientific study.

The discussion with Mel, LaTasha, and Chip begins at 17:18.

For more information on ODAAT and the GPCC:

Twitter & Instagram: OriginalODAAT

www.ODAATphilly.org

Instagram: TWBundles

www.Hopeforkids.org

www.gpcc.org

S3E80, Does God Want Us to Pursue Justice? w/ Dr. Douglas Jacoby

Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:00:00 -0500

You will not want to miss this episode. Dr. Douglas Jacoby has written over 30 books, and taught God's word in over 120 countries and 100 universities. Today, he joins Michael and Jason to discuss the topic of justice. He explains what the difference is between biblical justice and some of the more contemporary versions of justice and offers some important challenges to the church and the culture when it comes to embracing God's vision of justice.

But first, Michael and Jason talk through one of the wildest "News of the Squatch" reports yet.

The discussion with Dr. Jacoby begins at 14:33.

S3E79, Corinth and the Great Lie, part 4

Mon, 04 Oct 2021 02:00:00 -0500

"All things are permissible for me," is not a phrase that would have sounded uncommon to the ears of first century Corinth. Finding out who used this phrase in Roman culture and for what purposes continue to help us understand how the great lie of superiority was infecting the Corinthian church and how Paul was discipling them through it. Understanding both the problem and they ways that Paul continues to work towards the solution are vital to us finding our way biblically through our own modern version of the great lie.

But first, Michael and Jason have a little fun talking about resurrecting mammoths and why Michael's mom is a little peeved with him after listening to a previous episode. They also discuss the reality of making mistakes as biblical teachers and the need for an ongoing pursuit of humility, as well as the important and relevant lessons from another very popular podcast.

The serious discussion begins at 17:30.

S3E78, Corinth and the Great Lie, part 3

Mon, 27 Sep 2021 02:00:00 -0500

What does a young man sleeping with his step mother and one Christian suing another in first-century Corinth have to do with the Great Lie? That's exactly what Michael and Jason discuss in this continuing look at the impact of the Great Lie in Corinth and why it is vital for us to learn the same lessons that Paul wanted to teach to the Corinthians. But first, they examine what we can learn from Blue's Clues about the Millennials and Gen Z. And yes, Michael incorrectly states that it was a PBS show when everyone who's anyone knows it's a Nick Jr. show.

The discussion on Corinth and the Great Lie begins at 22:08.

S3E77, Corinth and the Great Lie, part 2

Mon, 20 Sep 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason continue their look through the letter of Paul to the Corinthians as he challenges them with the explosive truth of the gospel and shows the saints how they have dangerously built the church on the wood, straw, and hay of the culture around them without even realizing they were doing so. Reading Paul's letter in this context helps us to see just how deeply subversive it is and how challenging it is for us in the modern context.

The discussion begins at 19:19.

S3E76: Corinth and the Great Lie, part 1

Mon, 13 Sep 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Jason and Michael look at 1 Corinthians 1 and the explosive ways in which the gospel challenged them to look at the world, but also to examine themselves and see how the lie that some humans are superior and others are inferior had infected the church and was causing division among them. But this discussion doesn't just stay in the first century, it starts to look ahead to the ways that today's churches can struggle with our own versions of this same lie.

The discussion begins around 16:30 after "News of the Squatch."

S3E75: The Great Lie and Today's Church, w/Tim & Sam Blake

Mon, 06 Sep 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Today we welcome Tim and Sam Blake, ministers in Hartford, Connecticut for a discussion that centers on the influence that the great lie can have in society and in the church and we hear from them how it impacts their ministry and presents challenges as ministers in a diverse congregation in addressing these issues.

The discussion with the Blakes begins at about 12:35.

S3E74: How the Great Lie Impacts us Today w/Dr. Jamila Michener

Mon, 30 Aug 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Dr. Jamila Michenerof Cornell University is our guest today. She shares her expertise and teaches us about the history of mindsets and structures set in place to help create and maintain the great lie in recent history and how those mindsets and structures continue to impact us today.

The interview with Dr. Michener begins at about 11:10. There was some unexplained static that we could not remove throughout her interview. We apologize for that but what she shares is more than worth the minor annoyance.

A transcript of the episode is attached and available with this episode. Please utilize it if the buzz is too annoying.

Bonus Episode: The Danger in Evangelical Faith, w/Matthew Bates

Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:00:00 -0500

In this bonus episode, Michael, Otoma Edje, and author Matthew Bates talk about his books, "Saved by Allegiance Alone," "Gospel Allegiance," and "The Gospel Precisely." The conversation focuses on what biblical authors meant by the word "faith," what the gospel itself was in the proclamation of the early church, how modern Christianity often gets both of those concepts wrong, and why that can be such a dangerous problem for the church.

S3E73: The Great Lie Begins, w/Kevin Holland

Mon, 23 Aug 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Kevin Holland, senior pastor at Turning Point Church in Los Angeles, California, joins Michael and Jason today for a discussion revolving around the genesis of the great lie of identity. They examine the role that the father of lies has in this ongoing distortion of identity that results in the belief that some people are superior and others are inferior, how people of Paul's day were victims of that lie, and how we have been infected with updated versions of that same lie.

Kevin shares in a very personal and powerful way how this lie has impacted his own life and presented an ongoing challenge to his vocation as a pastor.

The discussion starts about 15:40 after "News of the Squatch."

S3E72: Keeping the Good, w/Dana Perkins

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Dana Perkins, evangelist in Tacoma, Washington joins Michael and Jason to talk about the important scriptural principle of clinging to what is good and rejecting what is evil. The discussion turns to the tendency that many in our culture have to paint everything in very black and white terms and demonize those that think or believe differently from them. This results in an "us" v. "them" mentality that feeds into the culture wars rather than being on the mission of gathering the nations.

But first, Michael, Jason, and special guest Elijah Burns (Michael's younger son), have some fun banter about how they would fare toe-to-toe against members of the animal kingdom.

If you would prefer to skip the fun and get right to the interview, that starts at about 19:35.

S3E71: Finding Ourselves in the Story w/James Becknell & Matina Montes

Mon, 09 Aug 2021 02:00:00 -0500

James and Matina, biblical teachers from the Chicago Church of Christ join the podcast for an intriguing discussion about our place in the biblical story. Do we have an occasional tendency to read ourselves into the wrong places and identify with the wrong characters?

Bonus Episode: A Conversation w/ Marty Solomon

Thu, 05 Aug 2021 04:00:00 -0500

Michael welcomes Marty Solomon, the host of the Bema Podcast and director of Impact Campus Ministries, for a special conversation. Marty gives his thoughts on Michael's book, Escaping the Beast, shares what has surprised him about his own ministry, talks about how he responds to criticism, gives some exciting updates about what is next for his podcast and overall ministry, and much more.

Isaac's Bad Eyes Episode:
https://pca.st/episode/a3cc09c5-4429-4369-b442-5174da42dc28

Note: there was a small technical error on our end which caused the need to re-record one of Michael's questions later after the interview. In that price, Michael inadvertently repeated a few thoughts from an earlier comment. Please forgive us for the repetition.

S3E70: Materiality, Spirituality, and the Great Lie

Mon, 02 Aug 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Michael and Jason have a lively discussion about our need to balance materiality and spirituality and the negativity that results when we don't. They use this as springboard to kick off the focus of season 3 on the Great Lie and briefly explain what the great lie is.

And don't miss the new segment: News of the Squatch.

New theme music is the song Mt. Olympus from DeLaNoyz Productions.

S2E69: When Life Gets Difficult, w/Reggie and Gianna Hearn

Mon, 21 Jun 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Reggie and Gianna Hearn talk finding life in Christ, love in Christ, and the challenges of following Jesus and reflecting the kingdom while living a non-traditional lifestyle of a married couple involved in professional sports. Reggie is a veteran of the NBA, NBA G-League, Team USA and the 2018 USA Male Basketball Athlete of the Year. Gianna is an accomplished sports reporter and social media influencer.

S2E68: Resolving Conflicts, w/ David Jung

Mon, 14 Jun 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Professional Counselor, Conflict Resolution expert, and evangelist in Winnipeg, Canada, David Jung joins the podcast to uncover some of the things that cause conflict and simple, although not always easy, ways to work through and resolve conflicts when they do take place.

S2E67: The Discipline of Rest, w/Joel Peed

Mon, 07 Jun 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Joel Peed joins the podcast to talk about the importance of embracing the biblical concepts of rest and stopping in the hectic life of modern Christians. He talks about both the concepts behind taking regular time to rest as well as specifics about observing weekly rest times, personal spiritual retreats, and longer sabbaticals.

S2E66: Effective Conversations, w/Kyle Spears

Mon, 31 May 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Trauma Theologian, Kyle Spears, joins the podcast to provide helpful thoughts and principles in effective communication in challenging and potentially divisive topics like politics, racial justice, and more.

S2E65: The Christian and Law Enforcement

Mon, 24 May 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Michael delves into the Christian interaction when it comes to military and policing issues.

S2E64: Environmental Engagement, w/ Khatushelo Rapea

Mon, 17 May 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Khathutshelo Rapea joins the podcast from Johannesburg, South Africa to talk about how Christians can think about and engage the world in environmental issues.

Bonus Episode: Abortion in the Ancient World

Wed, 12 May 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Michael breaks down the Ancient Greek, Roman and Jewish views and practices regarding abortion and then details how the early Christian views were very different and why they were so unique.

S2E63: Abortion and Life, w/Johnny Rivera

Mon, 10 May 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Johnny Rivera, Evangelist in the Central Jersey Church of Christ joins the podcast today to talk about the biblical teaching that directs our thinking about how to approach the practice of abortion in our modern context.

S2E62: The Kingdom and Immigration, w/Robert Carillo

Mon, 03 May 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Robert Carillo, evangelist and leadership coach at the Los Angeles International Church of Christ, joins the podcast to talk with Michael about the biblical view of the refugee and how this can inform how we think about current issues surrounding immigration.

S2E61: Racial Righteousness in an Unjust World, w/James Becknell and Steve Kinnard

Mon, 26 Apr 2021 02:00:00 -0500

Biblical teacher James Becknell, and teacher and author Steve Kinnard join the podcast to talk about the challenge of seeking unity and racial righteousness in the church in a world that finds the topic so divisive and elusive.

S2E60: Economic Justice, w/Ben Barnett & Dave Malutinok

Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Michael is joined by special guests Ben Barnett, Evangelist for HOPE worldwide, and Dave Malutinok, President of HOPE worldwide as they talk about the kingdom mindset towards economic justice. Dave and Ben lay out the biblical view of justice and how that relates to economic equity and give updates about the many wonderful things that HOPE worldwide is doing across the globe.

S2E59: The Kingdom and the LGBTQ Community, w/Guy Hammond

Mon, 12 Apr 2021 00:00:00 -0500

International speaker and founder of Strength in Weakness Ministries, Guy Hammond, joins the podcast today to talk about how kingdom people can interact with those that are same-sex attracted or identify with the LGBTQ community. Guy shares his own amazing story and then discusses how Christians can think about both personal connections with others as well as how Christians might apply kingdom principles to societal issues like gay marriage and similar issues.

S2E58: Engaging in Politicized Issues, pt. 2

Mon, 05 Apr 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Michael examines the remaining four principles of how Christians might go about engaging in the world in politicized issues and issues of justice.

S2E57: Engaging in Politicized Issues, pt. 1

Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Michael examines the first five principles of how Christians might go about engaging in the world in politicized issues and issues of justice.

S2E56: Should Christians Completely Withdraw from Politics?

Mon, 22 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0500

We look at a number of examples and models in today's episode, from John Calvin to the Amish to William Wilberforce, as we continue the conversation of if and how Christians might approach engaging with the world in issues of politics and justice.

Ministry Update, All Things to All People

Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:00:00 -0500

Tune in for a quick update on the All Things to All People Podcast, what's next for Michael, including an upcoming sabbatical and a new book in the works (I'll be starting it after the sabbatical), and a new podcast recommendation for the Bible Brew with Daniel Berk.

S2E55, The Takeover Episode: Two Realms

Mon, 15 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0500

Jason Alexander takes over the show and interrogates Michael about the two realms, that of the kingdom and the nations. They talk about what the kingdom of God is, how what we believe about the end of all things matters, why there is much more to the kingdom of God and engagement in political structures than striving for mere morality, and how the message of the cross and the resurrection impact our worldview.

S2E54: How Can We Be the Kingdom? w/Will Archer

Mon, 08 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0600

Will Archer, Innovative influencer and evangelist in the Potomac Valley Church just outside of Washington D.C. joins us to explain the principles behind a church engaging with their community in a effective way. This is not just a bunch of theoretical jargon. Will lays out some very specific and easily reproducible activities that his church has done that are making a huge impact in their surrounding community. This episode will not just inspire you, but you will walk away with practical ideas of what your church can do in your own area.

Will Archer's Greater Everyday Podcast
https://open.spotify.com/show/6zOea5OspthpS47LjsbYOV?si=NpXAidhuQFaB3fgyczySQQ&utm_source=copy-link

Bonus Episode: Scot McKnight on Tov Culture, Diversity, Women in the Church, etc.

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0600

Join me as Otoma Edje and I have a conversation with theologian and author Scot McKnight about creating a biblical culture of goodness in the church, where the church is headed in its response to racial inequity in the world, the role of women in the church, and much more. McKnight is the author of A Church Called Tov, Reading Romans Backwards, The King Jesus Gospel, The Blue Parakeet, Kingdom Conspiracy, Pastor Paul, The Jesus Creed, A Fellowship of Differents, and much more.

S2E53: Which Political Party Would Jesus Choose?

Mon, 01 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0600

What is the role for the kingdom communities when it comes to engaging in a two-party, or similar, political system? Today, we examine the challenge and dangers of the two party system for Christians.

S2E52: Is My Country a New Israel or New Babylon? w/Jason Alexander

Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Jason and I talk about more recent events in the United States, like the situation surrounding Colin Kaepernick and his actions during the playing of the national anthem, as a springboard to examine the topic of Christian nationalism, using the United States as an example. We will talk about recognizing the elements of when Christian nationalism is present in a nation and what we, as followers of Jesus, can do in response.

S2E51: Chrisitan Nationalism, w/ Gordon Ferguson

Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:00:00 -0600

Gordon Ferguson, author of Dynamic Leadership, Prepared to Answer, The Victory of Surrender, the Power of Gratitude, The Apostle Paul, Discipling, and many other books, joins the podcast today to talk about the difference between patriotism and nationalism, as well as how the Christian version of nationalism serves as a constant danger to the kingdom of God.

To access Gordon's biblical teaching articles, resources, and much more, go to his website:

www.gordonferguson.org

and his blog:

www.blacktaxandwhitebenefits.com

Bonus Episode: I am Frustrated with My Church

Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:00:00 -0600

How do we respond when we think other individuals or our church collectively needs to grow in an area? We can often fall into the trap of wanting to advance the kingdom of God within the life of our church community but do so through means that are not kingdom methods. Anger, frustration, impatience, and divisiveness, are not what God wants from or for his people. We will look at important principles in this special episode of how we can effectively respond when we would like to see change in the body of Christ. Of course, the Bible encourages us to confront inequity, call out sin, and to deal honestly with areas that have been neglected, but doing so with love rather than giving in to bitterness can make all the difference. We will look at simple principles to help us strive for effective, loving and godly confrontation, when necessary, rather than falling into the biblical category of complaining which is not rooted in love or being constructive.

S2E50: You're An Idiot!

Mon, 08 Feb 2021 00:00:00 -0600

It seems that our political discourse these days often devolves to the point where conversations end with unhelpful phrases like, "you're an idiot." But how did Jesus manage have followers like Simon the Zealot and Matthew the tax collector that could not have been on further ends of the political and philosophical ends of the spectrum? What did they have to give up in order to truly embrace the kingdom of God and represent and reflect it in every area of their life? We will look at those questions today as well as how Christianity in the West began the journey from a strictly kingdom enterprise to becoming intertwined with empire itself.

The incredible song played at the end of the episode is an original song written and performed by the PsalmBirds, a multigenerational, multiracial band of brothers in the Syracuse Regional Church of Christ who love to play socially distant porch concerts!

Lyrics:
Celebrate Diversity

(Verse1)

Our mission from on high

To spread the message far and wide

A quest to reunite

Every people, every tribe

The gathering of nations

From all ends of the earth

Into a kingdom of one

That transcends all class or culture

And gives everyone worth

Proclaiming ultimate love!

(Chorus)

Celebrate diversity

We’ve been made exquisitely

Beautiful and colorfully

We are one!

(Verse 2)

Just look around and see

Dividing walls, disunity

And what of you and me?

Are we truely family?

Do we seek to understand

Or merely hold to our stance

Before the truth is revealed?

If we’re too caught up to listen

then we haven’t a chance

To know each other for real

(Chorus)

(Bridge)

Jesus said

To love your neighbor

As yourself

You better check yourself!

(Repeat)

No matter what your creed

We’re called to love in word and deed

To elevate each other

Cause we’re all a band of brothers

S2E49: Why the Early Church Had No Evangelism Plan

Mon, 01 Feb 2021 00:00:00 -0600

The earliest Christians believed that the most important piece of evidence demonstrating the truth of the claims of the gospel was that the Christian communities lived out the kingdom as a radical alternative to anything that they would see in the world. If they did that, people would take notice. With that in mind, they felt it was of the utmost importance to create a kingdom habitus in the churches. This impacted both their approach to evangelism and their engagement in the politics of the world.

S2E48: Real People Being the Kingdom, w/Jon Veal, Jordan Campbell, & Bill Barberg

Mon, 25 Jan 2021 01:00:00 -0600

Today we have an exhilarating conversation with Jon Veal and Jordan Campbell of Alt_Chicago (Alt Space Chicago) and Bill Barberg of Insight Formation. These are devoted followers of Jesus making a big impact in their communities and the world as they live out the values of the kingdom and embrace being the alternate community of the kingdom in practical ways. This will encourage and inspire you to examine what doors the Spirit might be opening for you to go 'be the kingdom'.

You can find more information about Bill and his organization at: www.insightformation.com

You can learn more about Jon and Jordan's vision and work at: altspacechicago.com

Bonus Episode: Is the Next Generation Losing Faith? w/special guests

Fri, 22 Jan 2021 00:00:00 -0600

You will not want to miss this episode! We are joined today by a collection of amazing younger people that share their thoughts on the state of faith in their generations and what they need from older Christians. You will be inspired, informed, and grateful for Jesus, his kingdom, and the wisdom and insight of these followers of Jesus.

Our special guests are Santiago Rios, a 23-year old grad student at UC-San Diego; Kendall Baldwin, a 26-year old manager of U.S. Chapter Relations for H.O.P.E. Worldwide; Valerie Holland, a 17-year old high school student in Rock Island, IL and member of her church's diversity committee; Jordan Massey, a 31-year old Campus Minister for the North River Church in Atlanta; and Bryant Viegut, a 21-year old engineering major at the University of Minnesota.

S2E47: Who Is Your Lord?

Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:00:00 -0600

In the book of Revelation we find an epic battle between the team of the Dragon and the Beast against the Lamb. This is not just a fantastical story about animal wars, but a way to challenge the allegiance of our hearts and minds. The Beast can be far more tempting than we think and we can find ourselves living out the role designated for the people of the Beast, all the while sure that we are fully allegiant to the Lamb. We will take the time to examine this as well as begin to look at the important role laid out for kingdom people and what it means to be an alternate community.

S2E46: Exiles in a Fractured World, w/Jason Alexander

Sun, 10 Jan 2021 01:00:00 -0600

The New Testament says that kingdom people are exiles in the present age. Join Jason and I as we talk about what this identity means and how it helps us find the balance between being in the world but not of the world.

S2E45: Does the Bible Condone Slavery? w/ Dr. Richard Rodriguez

Mon, 04 Jan 2021 06:00:00 -0600

Does the Bible get it wrong on one of the most fundamental and obvious issues of human dignity and freedom? Does it condone slavery? Don't miss the incredibly enlightening conversation on those questions and more with Dr. Richard Rodriguez of Florida International University, author of "An Unsealed Indictment: How American Slavery Violated the Scriptures." We will also consider how answering these questions helps us start to think about ways that Christians can engage with the world in areas of political partisanship and justice.

Go to www.r2rockpublishing.com to get a copy of Dr. Rodriguez's book.

Bonus Episode: Dr. Jamila Michener and Cornell Prison Education Program

Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:00:00 -0600

Join me today as I talk with Dr. Jamila Michener, a follower of Jesus and professor at Cornell University. We talk about the prisoner education program at Cornell of which she is a big part, and much more.

Note: We recorded during a blizzard which led to major Zoom disruptions and a few other technical difficulties so please bear with the roughness of this episode. But there is so much enlightening and uplifting information from Dr. Michener, that it is well worth wading through the glitches.

S2E44: The Greatest Failure of Politics

Mon, 28 Dec 2020 02:00:00 -0600

We have become so convinced and discipled by the culture that political power is the only way to make any real change in the biggest issues of society, that visions of the kingdom that strive to use means and methods of the kingdom rather than politics are often accused of doing nothing or withdrawing from the world. Or we give our loyalty and energy to political passions because surely partisan politics is the only way to get anything done in the social realm. Yet, the reality is that the kingdom has the path to true change that the politics and ways of the world simply do not have access to. Join us in this episode as we examine what that path is.

S2E43: Distorting the Kingdom

Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode we look at some ancient Jewish and modern misunderstandings of the kingdom of God. We will consider what do we need to know about "time travel" to understand the kingdom, why the kingdom is not the same thing as the church, and begin to discuss how that all impacts how we approach the topics of justice and political engagement.

S2E42: The Enormity of the Kingdom, w/Tom A. Jones

Mon, 14 Dec 2020 02:00:00 -0600

Special guest Tom A. Jones joins the podcast today to talk about all things kingdom of God. Tom is the author of a trilogy of books on the Kingdom of God as well as popular and important books like The Prideful Soul's Guide to Humility (co-authored), The Baptized Life, and many others.

S2E41: What if Jesus Were President?

Mon, 07 Dec 2020 06:00:00 -0600

How great would it be if Jesus could be our president? Or what if he could be the king of the whole world? That might sound great, yet, whenever he was given opportunities to be the king or ruler, he rejected it and instead chose the way of the cross and the kingdom. Knowing why that was, is vital to understanding how we can interact and engage with the world today.

S2E40: How Not to Be a Jerk, w/Jason Alexander

Mon, 30 Nov 2020 02:00:00 -0600

Christians are called to be salt and light to the world but so many people simply see us as judgmental jerks. Join Jason Alexander and I as we talk about what it means to be the prophetic community and how to embrace a role that critiques the systems of the world with hope rather than just criticizes everything about the world and come off like a bunch of jerks.

S2E39: Are Christians Meant to Rule the World? w/ Jason Alexander

Mon, 23 Nov 2020 02:00:00 -0600

Christians are given the task to be image bearers of God and are told that we will one day co-rule creation with God but does that mean that we should rule the world right now? Jason Alexander and Michael continue the discussion of how disciples of Jesus are to interact with the world.

S2E38: The Rulers of Creation, w/Jason Alexander

Mon, 16 Nov 2020 02:00:00 -0600

What does it mean that human beings were made in God's image and given the vocation of image bearers? Were we created to rule over the creation, and if so, what went wrong? What importance does the theme of image bearing have on the biblical narrative and in our lives today? We will start to consider these important questions and more in this episode with biblical teacher Jason Alexander.

S2E37: Politics and Kingdom, Season 2 Kickoff

Mon, 09 Nov 2020 02:00:00 -0600

Welcome to Season 2. We begin a this new season looking at the topics of the kingdom of God and how it relates to contemporary politics and the need for justice in the world. In this episode we will consider why we need to talk about these topics that can so easily devolve into conflict and why it should not be that for the people of God, but also why we must talk about such difficult topics. We'll look at what the early Christians like Paul were teaching that was considered so politically controversial and even treasonous and how the picture of a married young man can help us understand the need for allegiance to God's kingdom.

E36: Can Church Culture Change?

Mon, 02 Nov 2020 02:00:00 -0600

In this episode, we look at the challenges of changing a church's culture in pursuit of cultural humility and the quest of being all things to all people. We look at best practices to help a church community remain focused on their biblical goals of being the people of the kingdom and how to stay motivated during the hard work of being flexible and humble for the benefit of others.

Bonus Episode: Disciples Working to Abolish the New Jim Crow

Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:00:00 -0500

This is a special episode you will not want to miss. Join me for this interview with the founders of the group, Disciples Working to Abolish the New Jim Crow, a group seeking to bring an end to unfair mass incarceration tactics and mistreatment of those convicted of crimes in the United States.

E35: A Culturally Humble Church

Mon, 26 Oct 2020 02:00:00 -0500

A Church can be diverse but not culturally humble or inclusive. In this episode we consider what a church needs to pursue cultural humility and continue to grow in being all things to all people.

E34: A Culturally Humble Church Leadership

Mon, 19 Oct 2020 02:00:00 -0500

The level of cultural humility and competence of a church will not go beyond that of their leadership. In this episode we consider what being all things to all people will look like in a church's leadership and how they can pursue and grow in these areas.

E33: A Culturally Humble Individual

Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:00:00 -0500

What does it mean to be a culturally humble individual? We will consider that and look at the characteristics of someone who is pursuing cultural humility in a healthy way.

E32: Spiritual Bypassing and Dismantling Racial Superiority

Mon, 05 Oct 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Being culturally humble is not an easy task. It takes a lot of work. Yet, we must remember that we are striving for growth and competence, not perfection. Knowing the difference can ease a lot of anxiety and tension. We also need to be aware of the dangers of spiritual bypassing and having an understanding of one of the most dangerous obstacles to being all things to all people: the vestiges of racial superiority.

E31: Why Younger Generations Are Leaving the Church

Mon, 28 Sep 2020 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, we have an eye-opening discussion with three followers of Jesus who are under 30 as they discuss why younger generations feel left out of the church family in many respects, what aspects of the older generations culture can tend to turn them away from feeling like they are part of the community or wanting to be, and what the church can do to be all things to younger generations and help draw them in and stay in the body of Christ.

E30: The Culture Gap Between Generations

Mon, 21 Sep 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Boomers all have very different cultural tendencies, preferences, and worldviews and if we are not careful, the church family can drive away the younger generations in droves if we do not embrace the call to be all things to all people with them as well. Join the discussion as we begin to broach the subject of why so many young people seem uninterested in the church.

E29: Culture and Leadership

Mon, 14 Sep 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Cultural preferences and comfort zones can have a huge impact on who we see as potential leaders in God's kingdom, how we select leaders, why we sometimes have inequities in leadership diversity, and how we relate to leaders. We will examine all of this and more this week.

E28: When We Disagree About Policing

Mon, 07 Sep 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Every culture has identity-forming narratives that are long and dearly held. The truths conveyed in these metanarratives become almost sacred to us and when others counter the accepted truths of these stories or push back on them, we can become deeply passionate or angry without ever fully understanding why. This can influence why we hold such different views of the innocence of our country, the role of the police, and many other deeply relevant cultural dynamics. This is one of the most important topics when it comes to cultural division and how to hear and understand one another better, so you won't want to miss this episode.

E27: Music and Culture w/Kyle & Sadie Schwebach

Mon, 31 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

One of the first aspects of community life that people will experience and decide whether your church is culturally inclusive or not is in the music during worship gatherings. That makes it pretty important. So, let's talk about it. MyCresha Burns joins the podcast today along with former music ministry leaders of the Two Cities Church, Kyle and Sadie Schwebach.

E26: What is Church For?

Mon, 24 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Should a church be focused on embedding itself into a neighborhood and becoming a powerful force for good in the community or should it have a greater focus on global mission? Should it be centering its ministry on evacuation or preparation? Should it focus on events or on people? Our instincts in areas like this can be conditioned by our upbringing and culture. This episode will revolve around how we can identify our different assumptions in these types of areas and work together in a diverse church.

Bonus Episode: HB Nation Podcast Debut

Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

In this special bonus episode I interview an amazing young follower of Jesus, Eric Roberson of HB Nation, to talk about his brand new podcast, The Human Being Podcast. This podcast will focus on talking to people from different and unique backgrounds with the goal of simply listening, gaining empathy, and viewing people of all types as human beings. The Human Being Podcast will debut on August 24th, so get your sneak preview now.

E25 - Communication and Culture

Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Is it respectful to be direct and get right to the point in communication or is that invasive and rude? This is just one aspect that we need to consider in our pursuit of cultural humility when it comes to communication. We will explore this aspect of communication and much more in today's episode.

E24 - The Biggest Cultural Divider of All

Mon, 10 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

What is perhaps the biggest source of cultural divide in churches and in society in general? You will have to listen to this episode to find out as Michael discusses this great divider and what we can to forge unity in this area.

E23 - Time and Money, pt. 2

Mon, 03 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -0500

If time and money can be viewed so differently by different cultures, how can we possibly come together and find a unified blended approach in the diverse body of Christ? That is the focus of this episode as we continue the quest to be all things to all people.

E22 - Time and Money w/MyCresha Burns, pt. 1

Mon, 27 Jul 2020 02:00:00 -0500

MyCresha Burns joins me as we talk about how cultural approaches to managing resources like money and time can impact a church.

E21 - A Culturally Divided View of Family, pt. 2

Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:00:00 -0500

We can bring very different presumptions and comfort zones about what a family looks like and how it operates than can have a big impact on whether the church feels like a family or not. When those differences surface in a diverse church, how do we start to bridges those divides and create a sense of family that both challenges and meets the needs of all members? We will dive into that question on this episode and begin to forge a paradigm that will help us in any context.

E20 - A Culuturally Divided View of Family, w/MyCresha Burns

Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:00:00 -0500

MyCresha Burns joins us this episode as we begin a discussion of culturally informed views of what family is and how that can cause conflict and rifts in the church if we are not aware and prepared of these differences.

E19: A Clash of Cultures w/Gilbert Kimeng, pt. 2

Mon, 06 Jul 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Special guest Gilbert Kimeng, a biblical teacher in Lagos, Nigeria joins us today as we discuss the differences between those rooted in Eastern cultures and those rooted in Western cultures and the divisions that can develop if we don't recognize those differences.

E18: A Clash of Cultures w/Gilbert Kimeng, pt. 1

Mon, 29 Jun 2020 02:00:00 -0500

E17: I Wont' Do That w/Jason Alexander, pt. 2

Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:00:00 -0500

Jason Alexander joins the podcast for part 2 of our discussion about things that can keep us from engaging in cultural inclusion or pursuing cultural humility.

E16: I Wont' Do That w/Jason Alexander, pt. 1

Mon, 15 Jun 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Jason Alexander joins the podcast today as we talk about some of the things that can keep us from engaging in cultural inclusion or pursuing cultural humility

Bonus Episode: Jesus Culture with Chelsea Sutherland

Wed, 10 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0500

Please join us for this special bonus episode where we highlight the amazing spoken word poem f All Things to All People listener, Chelsea Sutherland. This short interview along with performance of her poem, Jesus Culture, is well worth the listen.

Jesus Culture, by Chelsea Sutherland

Culture; a dangerously loaded word shot forth into this frame.

One utterance is a buckshot scattering pictures across each brain, but

My pictures and your pictures are not likely the same, so let’s get one thing straight first: what meaning should this word “culture” really claim?

Your culture is *your* customs, *your* social norms, *your* typical attitudes - whether you think respect is “telling it like it is” or giving “polite” platitudes;

How you express your thoughts openly, or rather.. drop hints as you chat, whether your music is full of twang or a heavy boom-bap;

Is it rude to be late? Or too rigid to limit love to a precise - window - of - time?

See the garden from which you bloom influences how your petals of culture will be defined.

Which garden sought to define Jesus? Which roots ordered the way that his petals should grow? Jesus grew up cultured as a good Jewish boy you know.

Can we really convince ourselves that he didn’t feel.. some sort of strain?

Like he wasn’t tempted with the thought to not go against the grain?

The time golden grain backdropped his disciples’ hunger pain?

Wouldn’t it be easier to not have to explain that one to the Pharisees?

Easier it would have been to let culture be Lord, but can you imagine all the lives that would have been left UNrestored – can you imagine if Jesus let his culture impose on the will of

Yahweh?

The little children would have never come His way;

Mary, sent back into the kitchen,

Cooking —

The lame and crippled waiting an extra day,

Looking!

Sinners eating and drinking by themselves

EMPTY;

The woman at the well talking to herself –

Lonely On her 6thor 7thhusband,

Thirsty!

No *living* water in sight, no mercy.

Yes, if the garden from which Jesus grew

made up his mind

No tears and bloody-sweat in the garden you’d find.

No.. stretched-out-arms, no.. nails stubbornly beat into wood,

No “come follow me”, no brother & sisterhood.

So, do I think that Jesus-culture is anti-culture? No

For Jesus culture is far greater a goal to press toward,

It’s the ability to share our cultures without making any of them Lord;

It’s celebrating richly the culture of each son and each daughter,

Not here to abolish our cultures but rather infuse them with the Father;

Taste and see that the Lord is GOOD!

And so is the diversity of His nations;

Taking time to acquire these new tastes is so worth it’s aggravations.

Jesus-culture means, appreciating the rose while still respecting the thorns,

hands-out and eyes-open to other social norms.

It’s loving your brother or sister more than you love your own preferences —

Philippians 2:5-8 is where the ultimate reference is!

It’s laying down your preferred nature,

Not considering your ways as something to be grasped

But rather looking to the needs of others so that more hands can embrace His clasp

It means boldness to even ask

This humbling question:

“How many saints are suffering from my culture’s aggression?”

Reject suppression, embrace His SUCCESSION!

Put the rightful King on the throne;

It’s time to make the church a Jesus-culture zone.

E15: Presence Without Partcipation, pt. 3 w/ Kyle Spears

Mon, 08 Jun 2020 02:00:00 -0500

It is easier than you think to have a multi-ethnic community that is not multicultural. We will discuss how to recognize these moments of lack of inclusion and start to talk about how to address them as a church. Joining us today is special guest and expert on trauma and its impact on communities is Kyle Spears from the Omaha Church of Christ. Part 3 of 3.

E14: Presence Without Participation, pt. 2, w/ Kyle Spears

Mon, 01 Jun 2020 00:00:00 -0500

E13: Presence without Participation, pt. 1 w/Kyle Spears

Mon, 25 May 2020 02:00:00 -0500

E12: My Way or Your Way? (part 2) w/ James & Jennifer Becknell and MyCresha Burns

Mon, 18 May 2020 01:00:00 -0500

Join us as we chat with a powerhouse trio of guests, James and Jennifer Becknell, ministers in the Chicago Church of Christ, and MyCresha Burns of the Two Cities Church in Minneapolis as we talk about the vitally important dynamics of dominant and nondominant cultures within a diverse church community.

E11: My Way or Your Way? (part 1) w/ James & Jennifer Becknell, and MyCresha Burns

Mon, 11 May 2020 02:00:00 -0500

E10: How to Get in a Fight at Church (Part 2) w/ Jason Alexander and MyCresha Burns

Mon, 04 May 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guests, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, and women's ministry leader, ICU Nurse, and Michael's wife, MyCresha Burns, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

E9: How to Get in a Fight at Church (part 1) w/ Jason Alexander

Mon, 27 Apr 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guest, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

E8: I'm Normal, Why Aren't You? w/Jason Alexander

Mon, 20 Apr 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guest, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

E7: A Christ Culture

Mon, 13 Apr 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Join us as we talk with guest Joshua Dyrud and consider how followers of Christ are to balance transforming some aspects of our cultural background with becoming all things to others, and work towards creating a new culture in Christ.

E6 Culture is Life

Mon, 06 Apr 2020 02:00:00 -0500

Culture impacts almost everything we do, how we think, and what we expect. In this episode we will look at just how influential and all-encompassing culture is and the importance in plays in the life of a community.

E5 Our Covering: Loving Others

Mon, 30 Mar 2020 02:00:00 -0500

We can be the most culturally competent and knowledgeable people on the planet but without love we will have nothing. We will discuss the impact that love can have within a multicultural church and the light that it can be to people of all nations.

E4 Our Task: Being All Things to All People

Fri, 27 Mar 2020 01:00:00 -0500

What does it mean for a Christian to be all things to all people? It doesn't mean that we must be ashamed of our own culture or deny it. Rather, it means we become aware of it and remain willing to learn from other cultures and participate in their expressions. It means to become a student of other cultures. In this episode we will look at the ins and outs of becoming all things to all people.

E3 Our Mission: Gathering the Nations

Mon, 23 Mar 2020 04:00:00 -0500

Jesus did not give us the mission to go make disciples. He specifically sent us out on a different mission; one that God has been working towards since the time of Abraham. What is it? Tune in to find out.

E2 Our Purpose: Image Bearers

Fri, 20 Mar 2020 04:00:00 -0500

In this episode we will go through Chapter 1 of All Things to All People and consider what is the purpose of human beings and the meaning of life. The world constantly sends the messgae that our greatest value should be to enjoy life and be true to ourselves. But those are the very things that cause most of the problems we have in the world. Instead, we were created for the much higher purpose of reflecting God's image into his creation.

E1 - The Quest for Cultural Humility

Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:00:00 -0500

In this episode, we will introduce the podcast and its purpose as a combination podcast and audio book that will go through Michael's books. We begin with the introduction of the All Things to All People: The Power of Cultural Humility book. We will talk about why there is a need for cultural humility among God's people and begin the discussion of why this is a Scriptural concept. We'll also examine the importance of having our motivation, or our "why" focused in the right direction becasue if we don't, we will get knocked off course by the challenge of interacting with the cultures of others.