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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Send Adam Aron your thoughts about the episode I talk with Tadzio Müller, from Germany. Tadzio is a climate justice and queer rights activist, as well as a political scientist. For 30 years, he has been involved in struggles against globalization, nuclear waste, and coal—and, more recently, in what he sees as an antifascist struggle.  Tadzio: "If you see people having agency, knowing what they're doing, who are in a moment of catastrophe, that's quite inspiring. So you have to imagine pr...]]></itunes:summary>
    <description><![CDATA[<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2650322/fan_mail/new">Send Adam Aron your thoughts about the episode</a></p><p>I talk with Tadzio Müller, from Germany. Tadzio is a climate justice and queer rights activist, as well as a political scientist. For 30 years, he has been involved in struggles against globalization, nuclear waste, and coal—and, more recently, in what he sees as an antifascist struggle. </p><p>Tadzio: &quot;If you see people having agency, knowing what they&apos;re doing, who are in a moment of catastrophe, that&apos;s quite inspiring. So you have to imagine pre-organizing these nuclei, and then catastrophes will come. And if the right nucleus of people meets the right catastrophe, we can have a sort of expansive dynamic beyond that. People saying, wow, that looks really cool, let&apos;s do that.&quot;</p><p>Image Credit: By Stefan Müller (climate stuff) from Germany - &quot;1JahrNurBlockiert&quot;, Demonstration von Fridays For Future, Berlin, 13.12.2019, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=85715757</p>]]></description>
    <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2650322/fan_mail/new">Send Adam Aron your thoughts about the episode</a></p><p>I talk with Tadzio Müller, from Germany. Tadzio is a climate justice and queer rights activist, as well as a political scientist. For 30 years, he has been involved in struggles against globalization, nuclear waste, and coal—and, more recently, in what he sees as an antifascist struggle. </p><p>Tadzio: &quot;If you see people having agency, knowing what they&apos;re doing, who are in a moment of catastrophe, that&apos;s quite inspiring. So you have to imagine pre-organizing these nuclei, and then catastrophes will come. And if the right nucleus of people meets the right catastrophe, we can have a sort of expansive dynamic beyond that. People saying, wow, that looks really cool, let&apos;s do that.&quot;</p><p>Image Credit: By Stefan Müller (climate stuff) from Germany - &quot;1JahrNurBlockiert&quot;, Demonstration von Fridays For Future, Berlin, 13.12.2019, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=85715757</p>]]></content:encoded>
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