In the debut episode of The Shift with Greg James, Greg sits down with Joy Doyin Ogunneye - Global Innovation & Brand Comms Lead for Aveeno Face, Sun & Hair - who traded a career in banking for twenty-five years in beauty. Then he brings in Nat Chavis, an NYU integrated marketing grad student, agency intern, and self-taught garment maker, to offer the next-gen read on the same question.

They get into what happens to your sense of self when work stops being a place you go, why authenticity became a job requirement instead of a personality trait, and how the thing that makes you different at work might be the most valuable thing you bring.

Two generations. One honest conversation about who we really are at work.

This episode:

• Joy Doyin Ogunneye - Global Innovation & Brand Comms Lead, Aveeno Face, Sun & Hair. Twenty-five-year marketer, banking-to-beauty pivot, former host of The Joy in Failure.
• Nat Chavis - NYU grad student in integrated marketing (data analytics), sports and entertainment agency intern, self-taught garment maker.

The Shift with Greg James asks one question across every episode: is this new working world actually working for us? New episodes twice a month.

Over the past 25 years, the world of work has changed dramatically: remote work, always-on culture, and now the AI boom reshaping how we do our jobs. Each episode, Greg sits down with an industry veteran to unpack how work has evolved, then welcomes a newcomer just starting their career to get their take. Two generations, one conversation, asking whether this new working world is actually working for us. New episodes twice a month.

The Shift with Greg James