In Episode 2 of Gather, EPN President Joe Swimmer talks with Ryan Burge, the data expert behind Graphs about Religion, whose research has made him one of the country’s most compelling interpreters of America’s changing religious landscape.

Ryan brings a rare perspective: political scientist, data analyst, author—and former pastor who helped close his own congregation.

Hear what the numbers actually say about religious decline and belonging. Discover why Ryan’s posts about the Episcopal Church are among his most popular. And look beyond next year or even the next decade: What might the Church look like in the years ahead?

It’s a provocative conversation about where we are, where we may be going, and what possibilities remain for renewal along the way.

As AI rapidly reshapes nearly every aspect of society, what does it mean for Christian ministry, leadership, and discipleship? Together, they explore the opportunities and challenges this technology presents, where AI can strengthen the Church’s work, and why human relationships, spiritual wisdom, and the movement of the Holy Spirit remain irreplaceable.

Moving beyond both fear and hype, this conversation offers a hopeful, practical vision for engaging AI with theological depth and faithful imagination. Whether you’re curious, skeptical, or already experimenting with AI, this episode invites you to consider how the Church can embrace new tools while keeping Christ, community, and our shared humanity at the center.