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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[He hacked a robot dog at Black Hat. On stage. With a leash as the safety plan. In episode 2, Michael Bargury sits down with Ads Dawson, Ads breaks AI for a living and loves it. He's Staff AI Security Researcher at Dreadnode and Technical Founder for the OWASP LLM Applications Project, where he builds the tools that stress-test AI systems to their breaking point. As a senior red team operator with BASI team six (led by Pliny the Prompter), he's the guy running wild, large-scale attack simulati...]]></itunes:summary>
    <description><![CDATA[<p>He hacked a robot dog at Black Hat. On stage. With a leash as the safety plan.</p><p>In episode 2, Michael Bargury sits down with Ads Dawson, Ads breaks AI for a living and loves it. He&apos;s Staff AI Security Researcher at Dreadnode and Technical Founder for the OWASP LLM Applications Project, where he builds the tools that stress-test AI systems to their breaking point. As a senior red team operator with BASI team six (led by Pliny the Prompter), he&apos;s the guy running wild, large-scale attack simulations that other security teams later copy. </p><p>Michael and Ads discuss - finding the vulnerability is only half the job. The harder test is whether an agent can get there with the judgment, restraint and creativity of an expert. It can expose an API key, step outside its scope or leave a trail while still marking the task complete.</p><p>In the Wild is hosted by Zenity Co-Founder &amp; CTO Michael Bargury.</p><p>A Zenity Labs podcast, produced by POLDHU</p><p><br/></p><p>CHAPTERS</p><p>00:00 — Inside the Wild with Ads Dawson</p><p>05:40 — From jailbreaking to agentic security</p><p>08:28 — Can an AI hacking agent stay stealthy?</p><p>12:13 — Building a personal bug-bounty harness</p><p>24:28 — Why off-the-shelf tools aren’t enough</p><p>33:58 — Keeping autonomous agents inside the lines</p><p>43:56 — What black-box AI hides</p><p>46:15 — Hacking a robot dog live onstage</p><p>52:13 — ScopeJudge and a new way to enforce boundaries</p><p>64:54 — Is red teaming dead?</p><p><br/></p><p>Research:</p><p><a href='http://stealthbench.com'>stealthbench.com</a></p><p><a href='https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/'>https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/</a></p><p><a href='https://blackhat.com/us-26/briefings/schedule/index.html?day=thursday#kinetic-prompt-injection-agent-compromise-with-a-physical-blast-radius-57343'>https://blackhat.com/us-26/briefings/schedule/index.html?day=thursday#kinetic-prompt-injection-agent-compromise-with-a-physical-blast-radius-57343</a></p><p><br/></p><p><b>Relevant Profiles</b>:</p><p>Ads Dawson</p><p><a href='https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/'>https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/</a></p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdawson0/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdawson0/</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Michael Bargury</p><p><a href='https://x.com/mbrg0'>https://x.com/mbrg0</a> </p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/</a> </p><p><br/></p><p>Zenity Labs</p><p><a href='https://x.com/zenitysec_labs'>https://x.com/zenitysec_labs</a> </p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/zenity-sec-labs/'>https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/zenity-sec-labs/</a></p><p><a href='https://labs.zenity.io/'>https://labs.zenity.io/</a></p><p><br/></p><p><b>Mentioned</b>:</p><p>Pliny the Liberator: <a href='https://x.com/elder_plinius?lang=en'>https://x.com/elder_plinius?lang=en</a></p><p>Joey Melo: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjoeymelo/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjoeymelo/</a></p><p>Pedro Paniago: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedropaniago/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedropaniago/</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Nahamsec</p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahamsec/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahamsec/</a></p><p><a href='https://x.com/NahamSec'>https://x.com/NahamSec</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Mike Takahashi</p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltakahashi/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltakahashi/</a></p><p><a href='https://x.com/TakSec'>https://x.com/TakSec</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Tamir Ishay Sharbat</p><p><a href='https://x.com/tamirishaysh'>https://x.com/tamirishaysh</a></p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamir-ishay-sharbat-069496163/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamir-ishay-sharbat-069496163/</a> </p><p><br/></p>]]></description>
    <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He hacked a robot dog at Black Hat. On stage. With a leash as the safety plan.</p><p>In episode 2, Michael Bargury sits down with Ads Dawson, Ads breaks AI for a living and loves it. He&apos;s Staff AI Security Researcher at Dreadnode and Technical Founder for the OWASP LLM Applications Project, where he builds the tools that stress-test AI systems to their breaking point. As a senior red team operator with BASI team six (led by Pliny the Prompter), he&apos;s the guy running wild, large-scale attack simulations that other security teams later copy. </p><p>Michael and Ads discuss - finding the vulnerability is only half the job. The harder test is whether an agent can get there with the judgment, restraint and creativity of an expert. It can expose an API key, step outside its scope or leave a trail while still marking the task complete.</p><p>In the Wild is hosted by Zenity Co-Founder &amp; CTO Michael Bargury.</p><p>A Zenity Labs podcast, produced by POLDHU</p><p><br/></p><p>CHAPTERS</p><p>00:00 — Inside the Wild with Ads Dawson</p><p>05:40 — From jailbreaking to agentic security</p><p>08:28 — Can an AI hacking agent stay stealthy?</p><p>12:13 — Building a personal bug-bounty harness</p><p>24:28 — Why off-the-shelf tools aren’t enough</p><p>33:58 — Keeping autonomous agents inside the lines</p><p>43:56 — What black-box AI hides</p><p>46:15 — Hacking a robot dog live onstage</p><p>52:13 — ScopeJudge and a new way to enforce boundaries</p><p>64:54 — Is red teaming dead?</p><p><br/></p><p>Research:</p><p><a href='http://stealthbench.com'>stealthbench.com</a></p><p><a href='https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/'>https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/</a></p><p><a href='https://blackhat.com/us-26/briefings/schedule/index.html?day=thursday#kinetic-prompt-injection-agent-compromise-with-a-physical-blast-radius-57343'>https://blackhat.com/us-26/briefings/schedule/index.html?day=thursday#kinetic-prompt-injection-agent-compromise-with-a-physical-blast-radius-57343</a></p><p><br/></p><p><b>Relevant Profiles</b>:</p><p>Ads Dawson</p><p><a href='https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/'>https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/</a></p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdawson0/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdawson0/</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Michael Bargury</p><p><a href='https://x.com/mbrg0'>https://x.com/mbrg0</a> </p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/</a> </p><p><br/></p><p>Zenity Labs</p><p><a href='https://x.com/zenitysec_labs'>https://x.com/zenitysec_labs</a> </p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/zenity-sec-labs/'>https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/zenity-sec-labs/</a></p><p><a href='https://labs.zenity.io/'>https://labs.zenity.io/</a></p><p><br/></p><p><b>Mentioned</b>:</p><p>Pliny the Liberator: <a href='https://x.com/elder_plinius?lang=en'>https://x.com/elder_plinius?lang=en</a></p><p>Joey Melo: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjoeymelo/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjoeymelo/</a></p><p>Pedro Paniago: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedropaniago/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedropaniago/</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Nahamsec</p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahamsec/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahamsec/</a></p><p><a href='https://x.com/NahamSec'>https://x.com/NahamSec</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Mike Takahashi</p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltakahashi/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltakahashi/</a></p><p><a href='https://x.com/TakSec'>https://x.com/TakSec</a></p><p><br/></p><p>Tamir Ishay Sharbat</p><p><a href='https://x.com/tamirishaysh'>https://x.com/tamirishaysh</a></p><p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamir-ishay-sharbat-069496163/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamir-ishay-sharbat-069496163/</a> </p><p><br/></p>]]></content:encoded>
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