Neurogenic Integration Podcast

E23 - One World, One Family: 1,000 TRE® Workshops Across Indonesia with Hindra Gunawan

Fri, 03 Jul 2026 06:00:00 -0600

A betrayed business partner. Five years of anger and sleepless nights. A vow of forgiveness that the mind made but the body refused to keep. That was Hindra Gunawan's life before he found Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE®) — and a seven-minute phone call afterward showed him something had changed at a level no amount of willpower had reached.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Hindra Gunawan — Indonesia's first TRE provider and now its certification trainer — to trace that arc: from physics teacher to tuition-center entrepreneur; from the betrayal that stole his sleep to the training room in Singapore where sixty people tremored and he didn't; from paying for radio spots he couldn't yet explain to reaching more than 40,000 Indonesians; and from a single vow in Phoenix, Arizona — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people" — to celebrating his team's 1,000th workshop with Dr. David Berceli. Along the way: leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with 600 soldiers at a time, the Shaka Foundation's work with teachers, police, and disaster survivors, the durian farm he planted to fund it all, and the 3 a.m. phone commitment every Indonesian provider makes to their alumni.

Hindra Gunawan is a TRE® certification trainer and provider based in Jakarta, Indonesia. A former physics teacher and education entrepreneur, he became Indonesia's first TRE provider in 2013 and has since built one of the most active TRE communities in the world — over 1,000 workshops delivered and more than 40,000 people reached. He leads TRE Indonesia and co-founded the Shaka Foundation with Dr. David Berceli, a not-for-profit bringing TRE to teachers, police, military personnel, and communities affected by natural disasters across Indonesia.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions — a decade of inspiration

5:57 The physics teacher whose students wouldn't let him go

7:38 Building a tuition-center business — five branches and a franchise

9:46 The betrayal that brought five years of anger and sleepless nights

10:48 "I said I forgive them — but when I heard their voice, the anger came back"

12:19 Sixty people tremoring in Singapore — and Hindra didn't

13:19 The second training: anger rising from stomach to throat

15:01 The seven-minute phone call that changed everything

16:00 Phoenix, 2013 — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people"

20:20 Radio ads he couldn't explain — and 40,000 people later

22:50 The Shaka Foundation: disasters, guardians, and teachers

27:39 A durian farm with a mission

31:05 "Almost every day I get a testimonial" — what Hindra is most proud of

33:40 Why people stop — the wound-washing analogy and lifelong free gatherings

36:46 Leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with groups of 600

43:57 The 3 a.m. commitment every Indonesian provider makes

49:23 An earthquake, a traumatized boy, and what the tremors made possible

52:31 Tremor stigma in Indonesian culture — "this is very natural"

57:11 "TRE is a gift" — one world, one family

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with Hindra Gunawan — TRE® certification trainer in Jakarta, Indonesia, leader of TRE Indonesia and co-founder of the Shaka Foundation. https://www.treindonesia.com/

Also mentioned: Dr. David Berceli (creator of TRE®, co-founder of the Shaka Foundation), Chris Balsley (Hindra's first TRE teacher), TRE Indonesia, and the Shaka Foundation. (Full links in the internal notes below.)

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E22 - Neurogenic Tremoring as a Dynamic Superpower for Kids with Vera Live, Špela Potočnik & Katja Jarc

Fri, 26 Jun 2026 06:00:00 -0600

Most people meet Neurogenic Tremoring through trauma work. This conversation asks a different question: what if kids learned it first — as a built-in resilience skill, before the world ever tells them something is wrong?

In this episode, Alex sits down with three women working at the frontier of that idea — Vera Live, Špela Potočnik, and Katja Jarc — to trace how Neurogenic Tremoring is being reframed for youth: why nervous system regulation has been “kept behind the clinical wall”; how Vera co-developed the book Dynamic Superpower: Inner Strength for Kids & Teens with TRE® creator Dr. David Berceli; and how Špela and Katja piloted a school curriculum in Slovenia where five to seven minutes of guided tremoring, twice a week, began changing how teenage students slept, focused, and felt in their own bodies. Along the way: the science stations that teach kids about the vagus nerve and interoception, why a safe relationship matters more than a perfect protocol, and how the body becomes a friend rather than a problem to fix.

Vera Live co-founded Dynamic Superpower with Dr. David Berceli to bring the body’s natural tremoring reflex to kids and teens as a proactive resilience tool, not a clinical intervention. A PE teacher, yoga trainer, and certified TRE® provider, she works to equip the adults in children’s lives to pass on nervous system training safely. Find the work at https://www.reflexomobility.org

Špela Potočnik is a Slovenian youth counselor, social pedagogue, and school counselor with nearly 20 years in schools, a certified TRE® provider, and one of two pilot developers behind the Slovenia study. She collaborates with the Intigrum Institute and advocates for burnout prevention in schools.

Katja Jarc is a primary school teacher, marriage and family therapist, gestalt counselor, arts therapies specialist, and certified TRE® provider — the second Slovenia pilot developer. Through her practice, Manus Katja Jarc, she has integrated body-oriented and dance-movement work for over 13 years, and co-led the 2024 “TRE with Kids” training in Amsterdam with Vera.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions
6:04 The problem: regulation “kept behind the clinical wall”
6:42 Giving youth agency: “the body is really your best friend”
8:28 How the name “dynamic superpower” came to be
10:07 Špela on test anxiety, panic attacks, and the missing body piece
14:23 Adapting tremoring for kids — toys, play, and safety
15:52 The book as a manual, not just a story
20:20 Science stations: three brains, the vagus nerve, interoception
22:17 A 10-year-old reads it cold — and tremors on their own
25:51 A mother, a doctor, and her daughter’s aha moment
28:53 Lifting the stigma: “this is your power”
33:53 Inside the Slovenia pilot: how it began
35:20 Five to seven minutes, twice a week
43:14 Špela’s surprise: how little tremoring is enough 4
5:10 The real key — a safe relationship
50:01 What’s next: educational programs & specialized guides
57:14 Closing reflections: “pay attention, become astonished”

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with the guests — Reflexive Mobility Academy (Vera Live): https://www.reflexomobility.org · Špela Potočnik: https://www.mojesledi.com · Katja Jarc: practice MANUS. The Slovenia pilot and the family’s TRE® videos with Dr. Berceli are linked in the internal notes below.

Also mentioned: Dr. David Berceli (creator of TRE®), Linnea Gillen, Dr. Lisa Glenk, the Intigrum Institute, and the International Baccalaureate framework.

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E21 - Neurogenic Tremoring As a Catalyst for Meditation, Qigong & Nondual Practice with Jared Dahmer

Fri, 19 Jun 2026 05:00:00 -0600

Most people come to tremoring looking for relief. Jared came looking for depth. By the time he found Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE®), he'd spent nearly a decade inside ancient yoga, Daoist Qigong, and nondual meditation — and what he wasn't expecting was that a single video, found mid-session on the floor of his own room, would finally let all of it land in his body.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Jared to trace that arc: years of self-study in Qigong and Kriya; the night he searched "how to release trauma" and stumbled onto TRE; and the first three months when, in his words, "everything became felt in my body." Along the way they get into pausing inside a session, the integration that happens lying still afterward, lowering your baseline beneath the polyvagal curve, and the paradox at the heart of his path — nondual teachers say let go of the body, while tremoring keeps inviting him further in.

Jared is also leading a guest workshop for the Neurogenic Integration community on Thursday, October 22, 2026 — a chance to experience what brings tremoring alive for him, firsthand.

Jared Dahmer is a TRE® provider certified through Red Beard's TRE certification pathway, based in Louisiana, USA. Before TRE, he spent six to seven years in deep self-study of Daoist Qigong — in the lineage of Jonathan White, Michael Winn, and Mantak Chia — alongside ancient yoga, Kriya, and nondual meditation. He teaches both TRE and Qigong and offers one-on-one sessions, exploring tremoring not only as a way to release stress and trauma, but as a catalyst for embodiment and awakening.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions

2:00 Starting Qigong in 2020: the search for deeper connection

4:00 An experience at twenty that changed everything

6:00 What is Qigong? "The art of subtle breath"

8:00 Kriya, Kundalini & feeling "turned on by life from within"

10:00 Defining "deep": the body as temple

15:00 Searching "how to release trauma" — and finding TRE

16:00 "Tickled from within": laughter, tears, and arriving at safety

17:00 The morning after: long-term TRE and getting hooked

20:00 The first three months: "everything became felt in my body"

22:00 "I feel myself": dropping the character

25:00 Pausing inside a session: the weightlifting analogy

27:00 Integration: how lying still teaches the body to meditate

29:00 Beneath the polyvagal curve: lowering your baseline

36:00 Teaching others: intimacy, relationships & feeling safe

40:00 "Medicine for the nervous system"

44:00 Where tremoring meets nondual meditation

50:00 Closing reflections: "I just want the world to feel safer"

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with Jared Dahmer — TRE® provider & Qigong teacher, Louisiana, USA, currently offering one-on-one sessions. Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jaredjoyyy

Also mentioned: David Berceli (creator of TRE®), Jonathan White, Michael Winn, Mantak Chia, Mika Devos, Tree Wiseblood, Christina Guillaume, Ramana Maharshi, and the book The Direct Means to Eternal Bliss. (Full links in the internal notes below.)

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E20 - Neurogenic Tremoring for Manual Therapists: Bridging Bodywork, Fascia & the Nervous System with Ágnes Katona

Fri, 12 Jun 2026 05:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Alex sits down with Ágnes Katona — a physiotherapist and manual therapist in Budapest, Hungary — to compare notes on a journey many bodyworkers are quietly making: from working only with tissues, joints, and fascia to recognizing the nervous system as the missing piece. Both Alex and Ágnes were trained in traditions that had no language for what their own bodies started doing on the table. Both rediscovered that "missing link" through their own spontaneous tremoring. And both have spent years working out what it actually looks like to integrate Neurogenic Tremoring into a hands-on treatment session.

Their conversation moves through Ágnes's path from physiotherapy into manual therapy and the moment a single client introduced her to TRE; Alex's first spontaneous tremor on a Rolfing table years before he had any language for what it was; two case studies that show what becomes possible when manual therapy and tremoring meet — including a client whose body was so protected it couldn't receive touch at all; and the new science from the 2024 Fascia Research Congress, where Robert Schleip and Stephen Porges took the keynote stage together and showed how fascia and the autonomic nervous system are far more entangled than bodyworkers have been taught.

This is also a preview of Neurogenic Tremoring for Manual Therapists & Bodyworkers — a 4-day in-person seminar in Budapest, September 24–27, 2026, taught by Alex Greene and hosted by Ágnes Katona. Romania dates to follow.

Ágnes Katona is a physiotherapist, manual therapist, and certified TRE® provider based in Budapest, Hungary. She is the owner of Balanced You Therapy and Learning Hub, where she integrates Neurogenic Tremoring into her clinical work and trains other practitioners to do the same. With a deep curiosity about the connection between the body's tissues and the nervous system, Ágnes has spent years weaving touch and tremoring together in her treatment room. Find her at balancedyou.hu.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex in Boulder, Ágnes in Budapest
03:49 — Ágnes's Path: From Physiotherapy to Manual Therapy in Search of the Missing Link 10:45 — A Client Mentions TRE: Ágnes's First Encounter and First Personal Session
13:21 — "There's Nothing Wrong With My Body": When Tremoring Stopped Feeling Like a Symptom
21:11 — Alex's Story: A Spontaneous Tremor on a Rolfing Table, Years Before He Had a Name for It
27:13 — "Cold Bodies and Warm Bodies": Why Awareness Changes What Bodywork Can Do
32:22 — Ágnes Experiments: Inviting Tremoring Through Touch Alone in Her Treatment Room
43:00 — Case Study: A Postpartum Body That Had Been Told Shaking Was Wrong
51:00 — Case Study: The Kickboxer Whose System Was Too Protected for Manual Work
56:43 — Stress Is Not Someone Else's Job — It's in the Room With You
58:06 — Fascia Meets the Nervous System: Robert Schleip, Stephen Porges & the 2024 Fascia Research Congress
1:04:32 — Myofibroblasts, Thoracolumbar Fascia & the Hidden Stress-to-Tension Pipeline
1:16:06 — Inside the September Seminar: Theory, Safety, and Hands-On Practice
1:20:17 — Closing Reflections

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED

Connect with Ágnes Katona Physiotherapist, manual therapist & certified TRE® provider, Budapest: balancedyou.hu Instagram: @agnes_katona_balancedyou Facebook: Balanced You Therapy and Learning

The September seminar — Neurogenic Tremoring for Manual Therapists & Bodyworkers

📍 Budapest, Hungary — 4-day in-person training
📅 September 24–27, 2026
👨‍🏫 Taught by Alex Greene, hosted by Ágnes Katona
🎓 Part of a 4-stage certification pathway leading to the Certified Neurogenic Tremor Facilitator (CNTF) credential, accredited by Neurogenic Integration
📋 Prerequisite: a minimum of 5 TRE® sessions before the seminar (in-person or online — multiple ways to fulfill)
💶 Midway Special pricing of 870 EUR available until June 30, 2026 (rises to 950 EUR after). Bundle pricing with the optional International Certification Process also available.
🌍 Romania dates to follow — details to come

Research and people mentioned in this conversation

Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
Dr. Stephen Porges — Polyvagal Theory: https://www.stephenporges.com
Dr. Robert Schleip — Fascia research & myofibroblast contractility: https://www.somatics.de Fascia Research Society & Fascia Research Congress: https://fasciaresearchsociety.org
Dr. Peter Levine — Somatic Experiencing: https://www.somaticexperiencing.com
Dr. Bessel van der Kolk — The Body Keeps the Score: https://www.besselvanderkolk.com
Ida Rolf / Rolfing® Structural Integration: https://rolf.org
John F. Barnes Myofascial Release: https://myofascialrelease.com

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E19 - The Body in the Classroom: TRE, YogaCalm & Why Youth Need Somatic Education with Lynea Gillen

Fri, 29 May 2026 05:00:00 -0600

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
Lynea's Journey — From Yoga to YogaCalm to TRE
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex in Boulder, Lynea in Portland
03:00 — "It Worked With My Body": Finding Yoga at 15 and a Nervous System That Didn't Respond to Talk
05:00 — When Yoga Opened the Trauma: Why Practitioners Didn't Know What to Do, and the Gap Between Body and Story
06:30 — Building YogaCalm: Combining Yoga and Counseling in Behavior Classrooms — and Writing the Book Teachers Tried to Censor
09:00 — Grassroots Growth: Why Seeding One Teacher at a Time Worked Better Than Mandating It School-Wide
10:00 — Finding David Berceli Online: One Client Who Slept Better Than He'd Slept, and a Workshop in Canada
12:00 — The Evidence Base Is Growing: Presenting TRE at the IVAT Trauma Conference in Honolulu
14:00 — Adapting TRE for Youth: Culture First, Adults First, and the Mistakes That Taught Lynea to Slow Down
18:30 — A Mother-Teen Study in China: 140 Dyads, Eight Weeks of TRE, and Why This Design Matters

21:00 — David Berceli's Question: Can Somatic Practices Reach Youth Where They Actually Live — On Social Media?
24:00 — "Find One Thing in Your Heart": Why Counseling Works Better on the Floor
25:00 — "It Takes a Village, but the Villages Don't Exist": The Nervous System Availability Crisis in Schools
26:30 — Relaxation vs. Distraction: The Boy Who Checked His Heart Rate and Realized Video Games Weren't Calming Him
30:00 — Dopamine Too Fast, Too Often: Why Digital Reward Cycles Hijack What the Body Needs

34:00 — "TRE Is Faster at Bringing People Into the Body Than Any Other Modality I've Ever Used"
38:00 — The Boy Who Never Learned TRE: A Middle Schooler with Panic Attacks, a Wall, and Snapping Fingers
42:00 — Yoga Was Strange in the '80s Too: Why the Path to Normalizing TRE for Youth Looks Familiar
44:00 — Coming Out of Freeze: Why the Arch of Activation Can Scare Everyone in the Room

Closing

53:00 — Closing Reflections: Building a Global Community That Shares Ideas Instead of Prescribing Answers

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED

Connect with Lynea Gillen
Licensed Professional Counselor, Global TRE® Trainer & co-founder of YogaCalm, Portland, Oregon
Website: yogacalm.org

YogaCalm Resources
• Yoga Calm for Children by Lynea Gillen & Jim Gillen — https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Calm-Children-Educating-Heart/dp/0979928907
• Good People Everywhere by Lynea Gillen, illustrated by Kristina Swarner — https://www.amazon.com/Good-People-Everywhere-Lynea-Gillen/dp/0979928982
• YogaCalm Summer Immersion Retreat — https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/summer-immersion-2026/

Lynea's next TRE Certification Training: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/tension-trauma-releasing-exercises-module-1-certification-training-sept-26-27-2026/

Her next Continuing Education, for existing providers: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/moving-out-of-freeze-with-tre-may-23-2026/

Contact email: info@yogacalm.org

In person, Summer, Yoga Calm Training: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/summer-immersion-2026/

Her book, Good People Everywhere: https://www.amazon.com/Good-People-Everywhere-Lynea-Gillen/dp/0979928982/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Q0L8LDYWT2N0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5zQ46nUrYY4NOu1djVIaTjdTwYGxWkqN7RixdKVG3K2fjUvULURTt8v-Dg_OJqEm37GZDxeeFY0A7w55SY3ASgst-W19jwVDlXPt0MFjpLntoJeIMcQ9umsZxzzudmiVis6c8yhfnrjep31AD8jkYjM6z0Fn0s7Zs5MDVPE-x2AMsb4QOvnfNzWycdFRjiANd7_46X0cD3aVHkSyk4jZRIakJu6uTZQaFzCgZBbJvw8.CIBfNvAw2RcHU4J3l2y87V8yl08FTlIjK_DtE58E_c4&dib_tag=se&keywords=good+people+everywhere+book&qid=1775673677&sprefix=good+people+everywh%2Caps%2C233&sr=8-1

Research and People Mentioned
• Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
• IVAT — Institute on Violence, Abuse and Trauma (Hawai'i Summit): https://www.ivatcenters.org/
• Dr. Stephen Porges — Polyvagal Theory: https://www.stephenporges.com
• Špela Potočnik & Katja — TRE pilot study with youth in Slovenian educational settings (referenced by Alex; study details pending)
• China RCT — Randomized controlled trial of TRE with 140 mother-adolescent dyads at a psychiatric hospital (currently recruiting)
• Still Face Experiment — Dr. Edward Tronick's foundational research on caregiver emotional availability

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E18 - From Pediatric Oncology to TRE for All: A Nurse's Path Into Stewarding a Global Practice with Tanya Beard, MN, BN

Fri, 15 May 2026 05:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Alex sits down with Tanya Beard, MN, BN — Executive Director at TRE for All (TFA), the global nonprofit that has stewarded TRE certification trainings for nearly fifteen years. Tanya comes to this role through a career most people don't take a straight line through: pediatric oncology and bone marrow transplant nursing at twenty-two, ten years as a child and family psychiatric nurse practitioner, service in the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, consulting with schools and families, and — after the pandemic — a job at her local public library. Underneath all of it was one consistent instinct: bring the body into the room. Walking sessions with teenage clients, yoga, mindfulness, breath. Then a single optional after-hours class introduced her to TRE, and the trajectory bent again.

Tanya Beard, MN, BN, is the Executive Director at TRE for All (TFA), the global nonprofit overseeing TRE® certification trainings worldwide. Based in Washington State, she brings more than two decades of nursing and clinical experience to the role — beginning as a pediatric oncology nurse at Doernbecher Children's Hospital, later working for roughly a decade as a child and family psychiatric nurse practitioner, and serving with the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves. She is a certified TRE® provider trained by the late Susan Shifman, and has consulted with schools, families, and treatment centers on body-based approaches to nervous system care. Learn more about TRE for All at treglobal.org.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex with Tanya Beard, New Executive Director at TRE for All
02:30 — From Pediatric Oncology at 22 to Child & Family Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner
05:30 — Bringing the Body Into the Room: Walking Sessions, Yoga & Breath in Clinical Practice
07:30 — "Effervescence": Tanya's First TRE Session at a Yoga Calm Training with Lynea Gillen
10:00 — Down the Rabbit Hole: Discovering Dr. David Berceli and Training with Susan Shifman
14:00 — Kicked by a Horse: What Being a Patient Taught Her About Nursing
22:30 — Population Health, the Air National Guard, and a Pivot Toward Prevention
27:00 — Pandemic Reset: The Library Job and an Unexpected Phone Call
28:30 — A "Body Yes": Saying Yes to the TFA Board During a Time of Transition
33:00 — Three Pillars: Clarity, Conduct & Accessibility at TRE for All
36:00 — The Scope: ~95 Trainers, 65+ Countries, Thousands of Providers Worldwide
42:30 — Three Field Stories: NYC Firefighters, Missionary Sisters in Cameroon, and Mayan Villages in Guatemala
48:00 — TRE's "Flexible Skeleton": A Clear Shape That Travels Across Cultures
55:00 — Where the Research Is Heading: Denmark's MS Trial and New Studies from China
1:03:30 — A Stoplight, a Stranger, and Permission to Shake
1:10:00 — How Tremoring Supports Tanya Inside a Job with a Global Inbox
1:15:00 — Conflict as Part of Loving Well: Stepping In, Not Around
1:21:00 — Closing Reflections

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E17 - From Stillness to Shaking: Meditation, TRE, and the Body's Lead with Gabriel Kaszab

Fri, 01 May 2026 05:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Alex sits down with Gabriel to explore one of the most unusual origin stories in the NI community: a meditator who came to neurogenic tremoring not through a workshop or a training, but through his own body's spontaneous intelligence. Their conversation moves through Gabriel's childhood states of effortless meditation in Romania, the schooling that gradually shut those states down, his rediscovery of deep presence through Eckhart Tolle, and the seven years he spent tremoring alone without knowing anyone else did this too. Then — what changed when he finally learned TRE existed, why he dove straight into the practitioner training, and how he now integrates tremoring with Reiki, salsa warmups, singing bowls, and light language in his sessions with clients.

This is a conversation about neurogenic tremoring as more than release — as playfulness, as meditation, as a continuum that lives not just on the mat, but walking, swimming, driving, and waiting in line at the supermarket.

Gabriel Kaszab is a TRE® practitioner and Reiki practitioner based in Brisbane, Australia. He came to neurogenic tremoring spontaneously through a meditation practice he developed in his thirties, and practiced privately for seven years before discovering TRE® and training as a provider. He facilitates individual and group sessions in Brisbane, integrating TRE® with Reiki, intuitive bodywork, and somatic movement. Find him at gabrielkaszab.com.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex in Boulder, Gabriel in Brisbane
02:00 — Childhood in Romania: Spontaneous Meditation States That "Just Happened"
05:00 — Schooling and the Gradual Closing Down (by age 9 or 10)
06:00 — The Search Begins in His Twenties: Salsa, Photography & the Hunger for Something More
08:00 — Eckhart Tolle and the Moment of Recognition: "He Talks That Language"
10:00 — The Middle-of-the-Night Moment: First Spontaneous Tremoring
12:00 — Seven Years of Private Practice: Daily Tremoring Without a Name for It
14:00 — Coffee with Emmeline: "That Sounds Like TRE"
17:00 — What Knowing TRE Changed — and What Stayed the Same
20:00 — Diving Into the Practitioner Training: Not to Facilitate, Just to Embody
22:00 — The Varieties of Autogenic Movement: Shaking, Myofascial Flow, Pandiculation, Pulse & Mudras
29:00 — What Pandiculation Actually Is (and Why It Feels Alchemical)
32:00 — TRE as the Playfulness of Meditation
36:00 — Tremoring as a Continuum: Walking, Driving, Swimming, the Bus Stop
39:00 — Family and the Ones Who Don't Quite Get It (Yet)
41:00 — His Parents' Stories: A Mother Who Thought She Had Parkinson's, a Father Whose Vertigo Shakes Away
44:00 — Becoming a Practitioner: "I Had Nothing to Offer — And That Was the Point"
46:00 — How Intuition Opened: Sensing What's Happening in a Client's Body
49:00 — Salsa as Warmup: What Dancers Know That TRE Can Use
52:00 — Singing Bowls, Group Sessions & Entering Tremoring from a Place of Presence
54:00 — Keith Motz, Shaking Medicine & the Global Community of Shakers
57:00 — Reiki and Tremoring: Why They Work Together So Well
01:04:00 — Light Language, Intuitive Touch & Meeting People Where They Are
01:08:00 — Closing Reflection: It Doesn't Have to Be Serious. This Is Fun.

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED
Gabriel Kaszab — TRE® & Reiki practitioner, Brisbane: gabrielkaszab.com
Emmeline — TRE provider, Australia (Gabriel's first introduction to TRE)
Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
Richmond Heath — TRE provider and trainer, Australia: https://tre4you.com.au
Dr. Keith Motz — Shaking Medicine & therapeutic tremoring: [link]
Eckhart Tolle — The Power of Now & Stillness Speaks: https://www.eckharttolle.com
Continuum Movement — Body-based somatic practice: https://continuummovement.com
Ratu Bagus — Shaking meditation retreat, Bali: https://ratubagus.com
Seitai Katsugen Undo — Japanese form of autogenic movement

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E16 - Breathwork & TRE: Where the Breath Meets the Tremor — with Mike Maher

Fri, 17 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0600

What does it feel like when your body starts moving before your mind has any idea why?

For Mike Maher, the answer came in the basement of a hotel in Poland — lights off, a room full of strangers, thirty rhythmic breaths — and then tears, trembling, and a release he couldn't explain. That single session with Wim Hof lit a fire that eventually became the Take a Deep Breath YouTube channel, one of the largest breathwork communities on the planet, and a decade-long exploration into what breath can actually do for the human nervous system.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Mike for a wide-ranging conversation about breathwork as a complete system — not a single technique, but a full toolkit for nervous system regulation. Together they trace Mike's journey from stressed corporate professional to one of the field's most trusted educators, exploring his RESET framework, what he learned from training breath holds underwater with the world record holder, the 90-day CO2 documentary he's launching, and why the simplest ancestral practices — bare feet on soil, morning light, quiet air — might carry more physiological weight than any sophisticated technique. And along the way, they wander into the territory closest to home for the NI community: the intersection of breathwork and TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises) — and what happens when the body starts tremoring during a breath session and you finally stop fighting it. If you've ever wondered how breathwork and TRE relate, or felt both practices pulling toward the same place in the body, this conversation is for you.

Mike Maher is a breathwork coach, educator, and content creator who spent 12 years in the corporate world before a sequence of transformational experiences — a Wim Hof retreat, Tony Robbins events, and walking the Camino de Santiago — set him on a different path. Drawing on a background in video production and storytelling, he built the Take A Deep Breath YouTube channel into one of the largest breathwork platforms in the world, with 300,000+ subscribers and 42 million views. His podcast has featured deep conversations with James Nestor, Patrick McKeown, Dr. Belisa Vranich, and many others at the frontier of breathing, trauma, and performance. He works with clients one-on-one, leads group programs, and teaches a full-spectrum approach that blends functional technique with nervous system science and genuine embodied practice. Mike is also currently a student in the Neurogenic Integration TRE Certification program, deepening his understanding of how neurogenic tremoring and breathwork can work together as complementary pathways to nervous system regulation.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

00:00 — Welcome & Introductions
03:30 — Mike's Origin Story: Steve Jobs, Joe Rogan & the Road to Wim Hof
06:00 — The Poland Retreat: Tears, Trembling & an Unexplained Release
08:00 — When Wim Hof Was Making the Anxiety Worse
11:00 — The Podcast as Education: James Nestor, Patrick McKeown & Learning from the Best
13:00 — The RESET Framework: A Full Map of Breathwork in Five Categories
19:00 — Mike's Personal Learning Curve: From Oxygen Advantage to Rebirthing in a Hot Tub
22:00 — A Full Rebirthing Experience in Glastonbury
26:00 — Breath Holds, Willpower & Training with the World Record Holder
28:00 — The 90-Day CO2 Therapy Documentary: What Mike Is Testing & Why
33:00 — Ancestral Living: Earthing, Light Exposure & Things Too Simple to Ignore
40:00 — Discovering Neurogenic Tremoring
44:00 — Where Breathwork and TRE

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED
Mike Maher / Take A Deep Breath — YouTube, podcast & coaching: https://www.youtube.com/@TAKEADEEPBREATH
http://www.takeadeepbreath.co.uk/
Wim Hof Method — Breathwork & cold exposure system: https://www.wimhofmethod.com
James Nestor — Author of Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art: https://www.mrjamesnestor.com
Patrick McKeown / Oxygen Advantage — Functional breathing & CO2 tolerance training: https://oxygenadvantage.com
Dr. Belisa Vranich / Breathing for Warriors — Biomechanical breathwork: https://thebreathingclass.com
Anders Olson / Relaxator — CO2 therapy & nasal breathing research: https://www.relaxator.com
Tom Sietas — World record breath holder; freediving & breath hold training
Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
Leonard Orr — Pioneer of Rebirthing breathwork
Dr. Jack Kruse — Neurosurgeon; light biology & circadian health: https://jackkruse.com
The Earthing Movie — Documentary on grounding & inflammation (7M+ views on YouTube)
Civilized to Death — Book by Christopher Ryan
Ring of Fire — 1970s documentary featuring Qi master Kevin Chang

🔗 Join our live weekly classes → https://neurogenic-integration.com/webshop/#classes
🎓 Explore our Online TRE® Certification → https://neurogenic-integration.com/webshop/#cert

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E15 - Finding Your Ground: Jonah Robins on TRE, Bioenergetics & Coming Home to Your Body

Fri, 20 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0600

Host Alex Greene is joined by TRE provider and somatic coach Jonah Robins for a rich conversation about what it means to come home to your body. Jonah discovered TRE in his early twenties — introduced by his father, Dr. Eric Robins, during a particularly stressful season of life. His first tremoring session stopped him in his tracks: lying on the ground, legs finally still, he felt a wave of peace travel up his spine. It was the beginning of a 12-year practice that would shift not just his nervous system, but his entire relationship with himself. Together, Alex and Jonah trace that journey — from Jonah's early freeze physiology and the slow thaw that followed, to his certification and first experiences sharing TRE with others.

Jonah Robins is a TRE provider based out of Los Angeles CA. After discovering TRE in 2014, he spent several years being personally mentored by Dr David Berceli learning how to deepen the TRE process in his own body as well as with clients. Today he works with folks from all over the world helping them to embody the tremor mechanism. His work also incorporates aspects of Bioenergetics, Reichian breathwork, and Pranic Healing.

The goal of his work is to help clients release the emotional, physical and energetic components of their issues so they can restore balance to their body and nervous systems.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

00:00 — Welcome & Introductions
01:46 — How Jonah Found TRE
03:59 — First Tremoring Session
05:23 — Early Practice & Obsession
07:19 — Thawing the Freeze Response
09:48 — Meditation Meets Somatic Work
13:51 — Meeting Dr. David Berceli
19:17 — Teaching TRE in College Days
21:51 — Three Years with Dr. Berceli
26:29 — TRE for "Normal People"
31:43 — Neo-Reichian Therapy Journey
36:08 — Body Armoring & Bio-Energetics
41:37 — Spirituality & Somatic Healing
46:24 — Highly Sensitive & Spiritual Beings
52:17 — Spreading TRE Worldwide

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED

• Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org/
• Dr. Eric Robins — Pioneer in energy healing & energy psychology (Jonah's father)
• Alexander Lowen — Founder of Bioenergetic Analysis: https://bioenergetic-analysis.com
• Devaraj Sandberg — Bio-energetics & Reichian work on YouTube
• Jan Sultan — Rolfing practitioner, last student of Ida Rolf
• Deanna Hansen — Block Therapy (myofascial release): https://blocktherapy.com
• Morton Hershkowitz — Neo-Reichian therapist, student of Wilhelm Reich
• Jack Willis — Neo-Reichian Therapy for Home Use (book) https://reichiantherapy.info/book%20in%20pdf/Reich%20home%20Book.pdf
• 📧 Connect with Jonah: jonahrobins@yahoo.com

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🎓 Explore our Online TRE® Certification → https://neurogenic-integration.com/webshop/#cert

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Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E14 - Osmosis of Life: TRE, Fascia & the Body's Natural Intelligence with Oltita Raluca Rad

Fri, 06 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0700

What if the key to deeper healing isn't working harder — but softening first?
In this episode, host Alex Greene sits down with Oltita Raluca Rad (Tita), an Advanced TRE® Facilitator and Fascial Maneuvers practitioner from Brasov, Romania. A former accountant, Tita discovered TRE in 2019 and describes her first session as "love at first sight" — the moment she realised she wasn't a mental person after all, but a bodily one.

At the core of this conversation is the powerful connection between fascia and neurogenic tremoring. After a difficult client experience, Tita explored fascial maneuvers through the Human Garage method and made a striking discovery: when the connective tissue is softened and hydrated before TRE, the tremor enters the body more gently, goes deeper, and produces significantly less dissociation, freeze, and cathartic overwhelm.

Her framework is elegant: fascia is the body's receiver of information, the nervous system is the transmitter, and neurogenic tremoring is the pathway that allows information to flow — creating new neural connections, safety, and what she calls "the space of creation." Alex shares how this matches his own years of experience integrating structural integration bodywork with TRE, and both practitioners agree: the two together are more powerful than either alone.

🎧 Listen now to explore the fascia-tremor connection and what it means for healing, aging, and the body's natural intelligence.

Timestamped Segments:
00:00 – Welcome & introductions
02:00 – Oltita's TRE origin story
04:00 – Leaving accounting behind
07:00 – Love at first tremor
09:00 – Certification journey insights
13:00 – Building a TRE practice
17:00 – Discovering fascial maneuvers
20:00 – Fascia softens the tremor
25:00 – Fascia as information receiver
31:00 – Mountain cliff body story
33:00 – TRE and mitochondria
37:00 – Science catching up to intuition
39:00 – Osmosis of Life community
40:00 – How to connect with Oltita
41:00 – Closing reflections

Connect with Oltita:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rad.raluca
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kosmosis.ov/
Website: https://nas.io/kosmosis-osmoza-vietii-constiente

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E013 - How Can Neurogenic Tremoring Heal Trauma Across Cultures? TRE in East Africa with Mary Gitau

Fri, 20 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0700

Mary Gitau, a psychologist and suicide prevention specialist based in Nairobi, shares how she's bringing TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises) to communities across Kenya, Somalia, Sudan, and South Sudan affected by conflict and war. She discusses her personal healing breakthrough with TRE and how body-based approaches can reach populations where traditional talk therapy cannot—particularly in cultures where men don't openly discuss emotions. This conversation explores the intersection of TRE with Somatic Experiencing, bioenergetics, and EMDR, the critical importance of cultural adaptation, and both the opportunities and challenges of making trauma healing accessible across diverse communities.

In this episode, Mary shares stories of working with Somali and Sudanese men who experienced profound healing through the tremor mechanism, her journey integrating multiple somatic modalities, and practical wisdom on contextualizing TRE for different cultural settings. She also addresses the challenges of people misusing TRE through online videos and her vision for making trauma healing accessible through free group classes at her organization, the Center for Suicide Research and Intervention (CSRI).
Listen to the full episode to hear Mary's inspiring journey bringing body-based trauma healing to East African communities.

Links & Resources Mentioned
Center for Suicide Research and Intervention (CSRI) https://csricentre.org/

Connect with Mary:
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/gitau-mary
Twitter: https://x.com/Gitauwm
Twitter: https://x.com/csricentre
Website: https://www.csricentre.org/

Episode Timestamps
00:01 - TRE Training in Kenya with Dr. Berceli
00:04 - Childhood Trauma and Becoming a Psychologist
00:06 - Why Talk Therapy Wasn't Enough for Trauma Clients
00:09 - From Bioenergetics to Trauma Releasing Exercises
00:12 - Personal Breakthrough: Releasing Pelvic Trauma Through TRE
00:18 - First TRE Session with Somali Refugees in Nairobi
00:22 - Working with Men Who Don't Talk About Emotions
00:28 - Integrating Somatic Experiencing and TRE in Practice
00:35 - Cultural Adaptation: Avoiding Exorcism Misconceptions
00:40 - Dangers of Self-Guided TRE from Online Videos
00:45 - Making Trauma Healing Accessible and Affordable
00:47 - Teaching Children and Families TRE at Home
00:48 - Bringing TRE to Conflict Zones in East Africa

E012 - Shaking Medicine with Dr. Keith Motes

Sat, 07 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0700

In this enlightening episode, host Alex Greene sits down with Dr. Keith Motes, founder of Shaking Medicine and a PhD in quantum physics, to explore the fascinating intersection of science, spirituality, and therapeutic tremoring. Broadcasting from Thailand, Dr. Motes shares his remarkable journey from quantum computing researcher in Australia to becoming a pioneer in teaching neurogenic tremoring. The conversation weaves through multiple lenses—from quantum physics and polyvagal theory to Kundalini yoga, Qigong, and indigenous shamanic practices of the Kalahari Bushmen.

Dr. Motes reveals how his initial discovery of spontaneous movement came through a profound plant medicine experience that catalyzed his departure from academia to pursue full-time somatic healing work. Alex and Keith dive deep into the complementary relationship between psychedelic therapy and tremoring practices, discussing how embodied practitioners can better navigate medicine journeys and integrate trauma release. They explore the power of combining bodywork with neurogenic tremoring, emphasizing the importance of practitioners first embodying the work themselves. This episode offers invaluable insights for TRE practitioners, bodyworkers, and anyone interested in the deeper dimensions of somatic healing and nervous system regulation.

KEY HIGHLIGHTS:
00:01:00 Introducing Dr. Keith Motes
00:04:00 Physics to Spiritual Practice
00:10:00 First DMT Plant Medicine
00:13:00 Discovery of Therapeutic Tremoring
00:18:00 Developing Shaking Medicine Practice
00:23:00 Indigenous and Shamanic Lenses
00:26:00 Kalahari Bushmen Shaking Culture
00:29:00 Kundalini and Yoga Perspectives
00:33:00 Quantum Physics and Vibration
00:40:00 Psychedelics and Tremoring Integration
00:47:00 MDMA and Trauma Access
00:53:00 Bodywork and Touch Facilitation
00:58:00 Sensing Energy and Presence
01:03:00 Games and Surrender Phases

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Dr. Bradford Keeney - Work with Kalahari Bushmen: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Way-of-the-Bushman/Bradford-Keeney/9781591432050
Shaking Medicine Teacher Training: https://www.shakingmedicine.com/shaking-medicine-teacher-training
Zen Shiatsu Bodywork

Connect with Dr. Keith Motes:
Shaking Medicine website: https://www.shakingmedicine.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shakingmedicine/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shakingmedicinefoundation/

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E011 - Eunju Choi on Body Wisdom and Building TRE Korea

Fri, 07 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0700

In this conversation, host Alex Greene sits down with Eunju Choi, founder of TRE Korea and certification trainer, to explore her remarkable journey from professional photographer to bringing trauma release work to South Korea. Eunju shares the powerful story of her first TRE session in 2014, where vivid images of Korean students, mothers, and fathers appeared in her mind, planting the seeds for what would become her life's mission. Despite having no formal credentials in the field and initial doubts about who would take trauma work from a photographer, Eunju followed her calling and watched as opportunities unfolded in unexpected ways.

Alex and Eunju discuss the cultural challenges and triumphs of introducing somatic work in Korea, where academic credentials and traditional markers of success hold significant weight. Eunju shares inspiring stories of her work with diverse populations including North Korean refugees, social workers, therapists working with at-risk youth, religious communities, and even military hospital staff. The conversation touches on the importance of personal practice, the patience required to create lasting change, and the universal need for body-based healing across cultures.

🎧 Listen to the full episode to hear Eunju's complete story and gain insights into bringing trauma-informed practices to new communities!

Key Highlights & Timestamps
00:00 - Episode introduction
02:02 - Eunju's background journey
02:42 - Discovering TRE modality
05:01 - Vision for Korea
06:22 - Three powerful images
07:40 - Becoming a provider
08:57 - Moving to America
10:10 - Returning to Korea
16:45 - Building TRE Korea
28:30 - North Korean refugees
35:20 - Working with communities
43:00 - Religious organizations worldwide
46:54 - Youth and military
50:20 - Closing wisdom

Resources & Links Mentioned
Dr. David Berceli: https://treglobal.org/about-dr-david-berceli/
TRE Korea organization: https://trekorea.com/
Soma Therapy US: http://somatherapy.us/

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E010 - Nervous System Regulation for Chronic Illness with Lindsay Wolff

Fri, 31 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0600

In this episode, host Alex Greene sits down with Lindsay Wolff, a certified health coach and mentor with the Primal Trust Program. Lindsay shares her powerful journey from experiencing debilitating chronic illness—including chronic fatigue, Lyme disease, and severe pain—to discovering the transformative power of nervous system regulation and somatic practices. After spending nearly a decade navigating the medical system without lasting relief, Lindsay found healing through a comprehensive approach that integrates bottom-up nervous system practices, trauma processing, and reconnection with nature.

Lindsay introduces listeners to the Primal Trust framework, explaining how it differs from other brain retraining programs through its three-level curriculum that begins with foundational practices like TRE (Trauma Release Exercises), functional neurology, and breathwork before moving into deeper emotional processing and parts work. She discusses the importance of titrating these practices for sensitive nervous systems, creating safety through gradual exposure, and building capacity over time. The conversation explores how chronic illness often stems from nervous system dysregulation following stress or trauma, and how practices like neurogenic tremoring can help discharge survival energy stored in the body.

Join our Upcoming Workshop: December 18, 2025 - Nervous System Regulation for Chronic Pain & Illness with Lindsay Wolff: https://neurogenic-integration.com/product/nervous-system-healing-with-primal-trust-regulation-tools-by-lindsay-wolff/

Key Highlights & Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Lindsay
01:00 Primal Trust Overview
03:00 Lindsay's Journey Begins
04:00 Chronic Illness Algorithm
05:00 Health Crash Experience
07:00 Nature's Healing Power
09:00 Discovering TRE Practice
12:00 Body-Mind Connection Awakening
13:00 Primal Trust Explained
15:00 Bottom-Up Practices
18:00 Brain Retraining Fundamentals
21:00 Level Two Work
23:00 Hero's Journey Framework
25:00 Mentorship and Coaching
36:00 Titrating TRE Practice
42:00 Individual vs Group
46:00 Nature Connection Experience
48:00 Emotional Reservoir Concept
53:00 Workshop Preview

Resources & Links Mentioned
Primal Trust Program: https://www.primaltrust.org/
Dr. Cathleen King (Dr. Cath): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-cathleen-king-dpt-951b6597
Dr. Eric Robbins: https://drericrobins.com/
DNRS (Dynamic Neural Retraining System): https://retrainingthebrain.com/
Journal Speak: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/journalspeak
Dr. John Sarno: Author of "Healing Back Pain" https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection/dp/0446392308
IFS (Internal Family Systems): https://ifs-institute.com/
Red Beard Embodiment Podcast with Dr. Cathleen King https://www.redbeardsomatictherapy.com/post/podcast-e29-discovering-primal-trust-ft-dr-cathleen-king

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E09 - Finding Hope Through TRE: Svava Brooks' Journey from Freeze to Freedom

Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0600

What happens when a trauma survivor discovers TRE and becomes the practitioner she needed? Alex Greene speaks with Svava Brooks, a TRE practitioner in Reykjavik, Iceland, who has mastered integrating neurogenic tremoring with mindful self-compassion and polyvagal theory. Svava didn't set out to become a provider—she entered the training for her own healing. But what she discovered transformed not only her life but her approach to holding space for others.

As a complex trauma survivor in functional freeze, Svava shares practical wisdom from taking "a thousand tiny steps" into social engagement. She reveals why TRE alone wasn't enough—she needed self-compassion practices to befriend her body and build the safe attachment capacity she'd never experienced. She discusses why she teaches the "hand on heart" practice first, how to work with freeze patterns during tremoring, and why going "slower than slow" creates lasting change. Now bringing TRE to every town in Iceland, Svava offers insights on sustainable healing practices, integrating somatic work with other modalities, and creating compassionate containers where bodies feel safe to release.

Key Highlights:
00:04 - Introduction and Congress Overview
03:10 - Robert Schleip on Fascia
05:29 - Fascia Responds to Stress
08:45 - Fabiana de Silva's Vagal Resets
11:17 - Self-Help Grounding Through Squeezing
12:18 - Gil Hedley's Vagus Dissection
14:01 - Sounding and Vagal Activation
18:06 - Fascia, Consciousness, and Soul
21:28 - Meeting Stephen Porges
25:32 - Traumatic Brain Injury Insights
30:00 - Liza's TRE Presentation Experience
32:51 - 100 People Experience Tremoring
40:00 - Future Congress Plans
42:40 - Sami Yoiking Healing Songs
48:34 - Human Algorithm Workshop Preview

Resources Mentioned:
ACE Study (Adverse Childhood Experiences Study): https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/s0749-3797(98)00017-8/pdf
Polyvagal Theory: https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/whatispolyvagaltheory
Kristin Neff - Self-Compassion Research: https://self-compassion.org/the-research/
Dr. David Berceli: https://treglobal.org/about-dr-david-berceli/
Svava’s Website: https://www.svavabrooks.com/
Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E07 - Multimodal Approachers: TRE, Nutrigenomics and Brain Spotting

Thu, 25 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0600

Host Alex Greene interviews Jo Lothian, a UK-based practitioner who combines neurogenic tremoring (TRE - Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises), nutrigenomics, and brain spotting in her practice called The Happy Reset. Jo shares her personal history of childhood medical procedures, family dysfunction, and health challenges that led her to explore these therapeutic approaches. She will be presenting at the Masters Events Series trauma conference in Oxford (28th-30th September 2025) alongside speakers including Bessel van der Kolk and Dan Siegel.

Jo explains nutrigenomics as the study of how genes and nutrition interact, describing how genetic testing can reveal variations in stress hormone processing and nervous system function. She discusses how she uses this information to guide nutritional recommendations, then combines it with neurogenic tremoring for nervous system regulation and brain spotting for trauma processing. The conversation covers her methods for integrating these modalities and her applications in areas like trauma-informed fitness training.

Listen to the full episode to learn about Jo's multimodal approach to trauma healing.

Key Highlights:
00:00 Introduction
02:15 Childhood medical experiences
05:40 Corporate to healing transition
09:30 Multimodal approach development
10:45 Nutrigenomics fundamentals
13:20 Genetic pathway analysis
16:30 Personal genetic discoveries
22:15 Nutritional intervention strategies
25:45 Discovering TRE work
28:20 Common client outcomes
31:15 Brain spotting introduction
34:30 Brain spotting methodology
37:45 Integrating multiple modalities
40:15 Conference presentation plans
43:20 Bridging clinical language
45:30 Future therapeutic applications

Links and Resources:
The Happy Reset: https://www.thehappyreset.co.uk/
Life Code GX: https://www.lifecodegx.com/
Masters Events Series: Oxford trauma conference (28th-30th September 2025): https://mastersevents.com/
TRE Providers International Forum: https://treglobal.org/

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E06 - Safe and Sound Listening + Neurogenic Tremoring with Jenna Anderson

Thu, 28 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0600

Alex Greene talks with Jenna Anderson, a TRE provider and Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP) practitioner who has been combining these two powerful nervous system approaches since 2017. Jenna explains how Dr. Stephen Porges' SSP uses a specialized algorithm that "dances" with the nervous system through filtered music, making it fundamentally different from regular therapeutic audio you might find on streaming platforms.

The conversation explores why SSP and TRE work so effectively together—both target nervous system regulation but through different pathways. SSP works through the auditory system to activate social engagement, while TRE uses the body's natural tremor response to release stored tension. Jenna describes her bi-weekly group classes where participants experience both approaches together, creating what practitioners call "amplified results" through combined delivery.

This episode covers the practical details of Jenna's combined SSP + TRE classes offered through the Neurogenic Integration platform, and she shares the process for joining these integration workshops held every other Tuesday at 9 AM Pacific (10 AM Mountain, 6 PM Paris time) starting on August 26,2025. The episode also highlights professional development opportunities for TRE providers interested in becoming SSP certified and emphasizes how this combination addresses root causes of nervous system dysregulation rather than just managing symptoms.

Learn more about Safe and Sound Listening + Neurogenic Tremoring class:

Key Highlights:
0:03 - Jenna's background introduction
2:22 - SSP development history
3:02 - Simple SSP explanation
8:29 - Porges concept "availability"
10:03 - SSP historical evolution
15:50 - Provider supervision requirements
16:42 - SSP versus other music
17:38 - Client Types and Benefits of SSP
21:03 - Group versus individual sessions
24:15 - Class structure overview
27:17 - Onboarding process steps
31:45 - Alex's practice integration
35:07 - Multiple healing portals
37:35 - TRE provider eligibility

Links and Resources:
Dr. Stephen Porges and Polyvagal Theory: https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/
Unite SSP Platform (official app): https://www.unyte.com/
Neurogenic Integration Website: https://neurogenicintegration.com/
Sign up to SSP + TRE Integration Classes: Every other Tuesday, 9 AM Pacific:
TRE Foundation Resources: https://traumaprevention.com/
Professional SSP Certification: https://www.unyte.com/provider-training/

E08 - TRE Meets Fascia: Bringing Neurogenic Tremoring to the Fascia Congress with Liza Kimble

Sat, 19 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0600

Alex Greene welcomes back Liza Kimble for an exciting follow-up conversation about her groundbreaking experience at the Fascia Congress in New Orleans. Fresh from her travels, Liza shares how she introduced TRE and neurogenic tremoring to the international fascia research community, where over 100 attendees experienced tremoring for the first time. The congress brought together leading voices in nervous system work, including Stephen Porges, Robert Schleip, and Gil Hedley, creating a unique convergence of scientific research and therapeutic practice that validated the deep connection between fascia, trauma, and the autonomic nervous system.

Liza takes listeners behind the scenes of this transformative event, sharing insights from keynote presentations on the fascia-nervous system connection, Gil Hedley's emotional vagus nerve dissection, and conversations about consciousness within connective tissue. She discusses the positive reception to her TRE demonstration with Professor Werner Klingler, the power of vagal activation through sound and voice work, and her growing passion for integrating indigenous healing wisdom—including Sami yoiking traditions—with somatic practices. This conversation illuminates the exciting frontier where ancient healing methods, cutting-edge fascia research, and neurogenic tremoring converge to offer new pathways for trauma healing and embodied wellness.

Listen to the full episode to discover how the fascia world is embracing neurogenic tremoring and what this means for the future of trauma healing and somatic therapy.

Key Highlights:
00:04 - Introduction and Congress Overview
03:10 - Robert Schleip on Fascia
05:29 - Fascia Responds to Stress
08:45 - Fabiana de Silva's Vagal Resets
11:17 - Self-Help Grounding Through Squeezing
12:18 - Gil Hedley's Vagus Dissection
14:01 - Sounding and Vagal Activation
18:06 - Fascia, Consciousness, and Soul
21:28 - Meeting Stephen Porges
25:32 - Traumatic Brain Injury Insights
30:00 - Liza's TRE Presentation Experience
32:51 - 100 People Experience Tremoring
40:00 - Future Congress Plans
42:40 - Sami Yoiking Healing Songs
48:34 - Human Algorithm Workshop Preview

Resources Mentioned:
Robert Schleip - Fascia Research Foundation
Gil Hedley - Nerve Tour and Anatomy Videos: https://www.gilhedley.com/
Stephen Porges - Polyvagal Theory: https://www.stephenporges.com/
Fabiana Silva - Fascia Research Society President: https://www.facebook.com/FasciaResearchSociety/
John Sharkey - Anatomist and Fascia Researcher: http://www.johnsharkeyevents.com/
Journal of Movement and Bodywork
Liza Kimble’s website: https://lizakimble.com/

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E05 - Tremoring and the Yoga Sutras with Bonnie Pariser

Fri, 11 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0600

Alex Greene speaks with Bonnie Pariser, a TRE provider and yoga therapist who runs Yoga Loca studio in Frenchtown, New Jersey. Bonnie shares how she transformed her yoga therapy practice by integrating TRE (Tension & Trauma Release Exercises) with traditional yoga approaches. Her unique journey from fashion design to embodiment work led her to discover that tremoring can dramatically improve outcomes for clients with chronic tension, anxiety, and trauma.

Bonnie explains how tremoring prepares the nervous system for yoga practices, especially for clients who are too activated to benefit from conventional stretching or meditation. She uses the Ayurvedic dosha framework to understand different nervous system states: vata (anxiety/bracing), pitta (hypervigilance), and kapha (shutdown). This approach works with the body's natural healing mechanisms rather than against them.

The conversation covers practical applications including emotional regulation, conflict resolution, and spiritual practice preparation. Bonnie shares examples from her classes and one-on-one sessions, showing how clients move from seeking physical relief to developing life management skills. Her integration of ancient wisdom with modern trauma approaches demonstrates how nervous system regulation can transform both therapy outcomes and daily life.

Listen to the full episode to discover how this powerful combination of TRE and yoga can transform your approach to nervous system regulation and embodiment practices.

Key Highlights:
0:00 Introduction
1:49 Fashion to Embodiment
4:19 TRE Training Discovery
6:06 Yoga Sutras Connection
7:06 Kumbhaka Breathless State
12:09 Integration with Classes
17:05 Emotional Regulation Practice
18:44 Conflict Resolution Applications
26:51 Ayurvedic Dosha Perspective
27:20 Vata Derangement Treatment
30:53 One-on-One Applications
35:52 Personal Practice Evolution
37:17 Tandava Dance Connection
41:08 Kriya Spontaneous Movements
50:58 Myofascial Release Integration
52:50 Future Learning Directions

Links and Resources:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/YogaLokaNJ/
Websites: https://www.yoga-loka.com/ http://www.yoga-therapy-can-help.me/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yoga_loka/
David Berceli - TRE founder and trainer: https://treglobal.org/about-dr-david-berceli/
Mukunda Stiles - Structural Yoga Therapy: http://www.innerquestyoga.com/aboutmukunda.html
Patanjali's Yoga Sutras: https://iep.utm.edu/yoga/
Swami Muktananda - Kriya yoga teacher: https://www.siddhayoga.org/baba-muktananda/
John F. Barnes Myofascial Release: https://www.myofascialrelease.com/
Kripalu Center for Yoga & Health: https://kripalu.org/
Ayurvedic dosha system (Vata, Pitta, Kapha):https://www.forestessentialsindia.com/blog/doshas-in-ayurveda-vata-pitta-and-kapha.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqHaN6UsWffV_qa9BSsmCI48Nk8fN9i3JTsydWxGncwSx9kh1dr

E04 - TRE in the 2025 Fascia Congress with Liza Kimble

Thu, 19 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0600

Alex Greene talks with Liza Kimble, a body therapist from South Africa who combines TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises) with gentle touch work. Liza has worked with bodies for 32 years and discovered that lighter touch often works better than deep, painful massage. She works with both people and horses, teaching them how to release tension through natural tremoring.

Liza shares how she went from doing very intense massage work to learning gentler approaches that help the nervous system feel safe. Her work with horses taught her important lessons about healing - when horses feel comfortable, they naturally start to shake and release stored stress. She's excited to present her work at a big research conference in New Orleans.

The conversation covers how to combine different healing methods, why therapists need to take care of themselves, and Liza's interest in ancient wisdom about human behavior patterns. This episode helps both therapists and regular people understand how gentle body work can help heal trauma and calm the nervous system.

Key Highlights:
00:01 - Background introduction
00:03 - Massage therapy beginnings
00:05 - Psoas activation discovery
00:07 - Meeting David Berceli
00:09 - First TRE experience
00:12 - Combining TRE fascial
00:14 - Fascia Congress attendance
00:16 - Horse tremoring discovery
00:19 - Touch technique evolution
00:22 - Client homework protocols
00:25 - Horse therapy training
00:29 - Traumatized horse transformation
00:34 - Horse tremoring patterns
00:37 - Equine therapy philosophy
00:42 - Teaching methodology evolution
00:44 - Upcoming Congress excitement
00:50 - Human algorithm teachings

Links and Resources:
International Fascia Research Congress: https://www.frscongress.org/
Liza’s Website: https://lizakimble.com/
Polyvagal Theory resources by Dr. Stephen Porges: https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/whatispolyvagaltheory
Tom Myers' Anatomy Trains and fascial meridians: https://www.myersmyofascialmeridians.com/

E03- The Body is the Portal: Exploring Internal Alchemy with Simba Stenqvist

Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0600

What if the secret to deep healing wasn't found in a technique---but in the quality of presence you bring to another human being? In this episode, Alex reconnects with Simba Stenqvist, TRE® trainer and somatic innovator based in Thailand, to explore his groundbreaking modality called Internal Alchemy---a fusion of neurogenic tremoring, fascial work, breathwork, and energetic practices.

Simba shares how Internal Alchemy emerged not from intellectual design, but through direct revelation during meditation---symbols, insights, and movements that seemed to arise through him rather than from him. Drawing on 25+ years in martial arts, bodywork, and nervous system practices, Simba reveals how respecting traditional lineages means bringing them forward to meet contemporary needs. From his multicultural background (Swedish-Dominican) to his "old school" teaching philosophy, Simba embodies the art of working with "who's in front of you" rather than rigid protocols.

Together, Alex and Simba dive deep into the mystery of masterful facilitation---how experienced practitioners learn to trust their intuition, follow subtle body cues, and create spaces where profound healing can unfold. This conversation explores presence as medicine, the power of authentic witnessing, and how combining fascial work with tremoring can access layers of stored trauma that pure nervous system approaches might miss. If you've ever wondered what transforms a good practitioner into a masterful one, this episode offers profound insights into the art of somatic healing.

Key Highlights:

[00:03:00] Internal Alchemy Origins Story
[05:15:00] Innovation Meets Ancient Wisdom
[09:52:00] Teaching Who's Present Philosophy
[14:27:00] Fascial Work Beyond Structure
[17:34:00] Connecting Somatic Worlds
[22:27:00] Creating Safe Containers
[25:43:00] Witnessing & Reframing Trauma
[28:30:00] Intuitive vs Intellectual Knowing
[33:00:00] Organism-to-Organism Communication
[40:15:00] Presence as Transmission
[46:57:00] Natural vs Supernatural Abilities
[48:47:00] Beyond Nervous System Labels

Links and Resources:

Website: https://livingwiththespirit.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/livingwiththespirit/

Find us Online:

Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/

Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E02 - The Wellness Toolbox: A Journalist Explores Neurogenic Tremoring

Fri, 23 May 2025 05:00:00 -0600

This week, Alex sits down with Daniel Seifert, a journalist whose work has appeared in the BBC, New York Times, and National Geographic. Daniel shares how he stumbled upon neurogenic tremoring through YouTube videos while looking for ways to manage deadline stress. What started as curious exploration quickly became a regular practice that helped him sleep better, release jaw tension, and feel more at ease in his body. His story is a reminder that our bodies already know how to heal—sometimes we just need to rediscover the natural mechanisms that are built right in!

Daniel's experience goes beyond just physical relief—he noticed how tremoring seemed to "dissolve the hyphen between mind and body," making him more receptive to music and even improving his posture. He compares the tremoring response to laughter: both are natural, sometimes uncontrollable movements that bring deep release and relief. Alex adds fascinating context about how Dr. David Berceli developed this approach after observing natural tremoring responses in war zones, recognizing that what many see as just "shaking with fear" might actually be the body's innate wisdom trying to complete the stress cycle.

The conversation flows into how tremoring complements other wellness practices that Daniel enjoys, from Tai Chi to breathwork to sauna and cold plunging. Alex shares stories of how this simple practice is spreading through fire departments, religious communities, and meditation centers—creating powerful results when paired with other modalities. Whether you're new to body-based practices or a seasoned wellness enthusiast, this warm conversation offers a friendly introduction to how inviting your body's natural tremors might become a game-changer in your healing toolkit.

Key Highlights:
0:00 - Introduction to Daniel's story
4:12 - Discovering tremoring on YouTube
8:30 - "What happened during my first tremoring session"
13:45 - When tremoring leads to spontaneous laughter
18:23 - How Tai Chi complements neurogenic tremoring
22:50 - Enhanced music appreciation after tremoring
27:15 - The posture benefits Daniel experienced
33:40 - "Your body knows how to heal"
39:10 - Invitation vs resistance in the body
42:30 - Tips for tremoring beginners
48:15 - Breathwork and tremoring: perfect partners
52:40 - The Feldenkrais connection
56:20 - Surprising insights about athletic bodies and tremoring
59:45 - How firefighters are using tremoring
1:03:12 - Meditation becomes deeper after tremoring

Links & Resources
Shaking Medicine: https://www.amazon.com/Shaking-Medicine-Healing-Ecstatic-Movement/dp/1594771499
Wilhelm Reich: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Wilhelm-Reich
Alexander Lowen: https://www.lowenfoundation.org/about-alexander-lowen
Institute for Zen Leadership: https://zenleader.global/

Find us Online:
Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/
Instagram: @neurogenicintegration

E01 - Neurogenic Integration: The Mystery of Spontaneous Movement

Thu, 10 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0600

What if your client’s tremor, stretch, or undulation wasn’t a symptom—but a sign of healing? In this episode, Alex sits down with physical therapist, somatic educator and TRE Provider, Joel Begin to explore the natural, spontaneous movements that often arise in bodywork, movement therapy, and somatic healing—but are still largely misunderstood.

Joel shares the story behind his 2022 paper, “Characterizing a Common Class of Spontaneous Movements,” a collaborative work that brings together perspectives from across the globe to map out how tremors, shakes, and fluid movements emerge across therapeutic, spiritual, and cultural contexts. From TRE® and myofascial unwinding to Qigong and authentic movement, Joel helps us reframe these expressions not as random or pathological—but as beneceptive and healing.

Together, we explore the potential of spontaneous movement as a doorway into nervous system regulation, trauma resolution, and embodied intelligence. This episode invites you to see what might already be happening in your sessions with new eyes—and perhaps, to trust the body just a little more.

Key Highlights:

[00:02:00] The Paper That Sparked It All: Characterizing a Common Class of Spontaneous Movements
[00:08:00] What Is Myofascial Unwinding?
[00:14:30] Modalities That Evoke Spontaneous Movement
[00:17:45] Spiritual Practices & Movement States
[00:24:00] Case Study: Spontaneous Movement After Surgery
[00:27:00] When Movement Feels Uncomfortable
[00:33:00] TRE®, Trauma, and the Polyvagal Lens
[00:38:45] Understanding Freeze Through Biotensegrity
[00:41:00] What Makes These Movements Arise?
[00:43:30] Creating a Container for Curiosity

Links & Resources

📝 Joel Begin’s 2022 Paper:
“Characterizing a Common Class of Spontaneous Movements”
Read the full paper in the International Journal of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork
Joel Begin’s Practice – Creative Pathways PT
Continuum Movement: https://continuummovement.com/
Somatic Experiencing by Peter Levine: https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/about-peter
Polyvagal Theory by Dr. Stephen Porges: https://www.stephenporges.com/
Myofascial Release John F. Barnes

Find us Online:

Neurogenic Integration: https://neurogenic-integration.com/

Instagram: @neurogenicintegration