We're sharing the first episode of a brand-new podcast series from the Lumen Center and SLBF STUDIO: American Evangelicals, A History Podcast. Hosted by historians John Fea, Dan Hummel, and Maggie Capra, this series takes a thoughtful, deep dive into one of the most talked-about religious movements in American history.

In this opening episode, they start with a deceptively simple question: What is an American evangelical? Beginning with the extraordinary story of Nathan Cole, an ordinary Connecticut farmer who rode twelve miles on horseback in 1740 to hear George Whitefield preach, the historians trace the origins of what would become a world-shaping religious movement.

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Along the way, they discuss:

• The Bebbington Quadrilateral — the four markers historians use to define evangelicalism: conversionism, biblicism, crucicentrism, and activism
• Why the "new birth" or born-again experience is so central to evangelical identity
• George Whitefield's remarkable celebrity and his transatlantic influence
• How evangelicalism was, in its early form, a disruptive and progressive movement challenging established religious authority
• The complex relationship between the First Great Awakening and the American Revolution

If you've ever felt like the word "evangelical" is confusing, contested, or a little loaded, this conversation brings real historical clarity. This is episode one of a three-part introduction to evangelicalism — with much more to come in the series.

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Jeff brings more than four decades in bookselling and publishing to a deeply personal question: why should we read? His own reading life began with Sunday comics in the Indianapolis Star and baseball biographies, until one book — The Admiral’s Daughter, heard about on Good Morning America — “flipped a switch” and opened, in his words, “this idea of a world of wonder.” From there, a career took shape: 13 years as a bookseller, 24 years at InterVarsity Press (ultimately as its publisher), and now as president of ECPA, the trade association of Christian publishing.

In this episode, John and Jeff discuss:

How a liturgy before reading — drawn from Douglas McKelvey’s Every Moment Holy — can transform how we approach any book

Why reading diverse voices (across gender, ethnicity, and genre) is a pathway toward becoming more human and more Christlike

The practice of rereading: how books like Markings by Dag Hammarskjöld and Kent Haruf’s novels serve as lifelong companions

Three practical strategies for becoming a wiser reader — including the one question Jeff asks almost everyone he meets

Why Jeff’s bookstore friend was counseled to fast from books — and what that revealed about his relationship to scripture

How reading together (from team check-ins at ECPA to hosting 75–100 person “Books in Nature” dinners) transforms community

Jeff’s next book: The Spirit in the Sky — on music, spirituality, and 17 artists from Paul Simon to Marvin Gaye (Bloomsbury, October 2025)

Jeff recorded this conversation the day before his mother’s memorial service, turning to the Psalms and a poetry collection called Joy (edited by Christian Wiman, Yale University Press) as companions in grief. His witness here is as much lived as written.

Guest Bio

Jeff Crosby is the president and CEO of ECPA (Evangelical Christian Publishers Association) and has worked in bookselling and publishing for more than 40 years — from running a Lagos bookstore near Indiana University to 24 years at InterVarsity Press to leading the trade association of Christian publishing. He is the author of World of Wonders: A Spirituality of Reading (Paraclete Press, 2025) and The Language of the Soul. His writing has appeared in Publishers Weekly, Books & Culture, CRUX Journal, and other publications. He lives in the Chicago area with his wife, author Cindy Crosby.

 Resources Mentioned

• Jeff’s website: jeffreycrosby.net
• World of Wonders: A Spirituality of Reading — Jeff Crosby (Paraclete Press, 2025)
• The Spirit in the Sky: The Power of Music and Our Search for Graceland — Jeff Crosby (Bloomsbury, October 2025)
• Every Moment Holy — Douglas McKelvey
• Markings — Dag Hammarskjöld
• Reading for the Love of God — Jessica Hooten Wilson (Brazos Press)
• Joy (poetry anthology) — edited by Christian Wiman (Yale University Press)
• The Meaning of Your Life — Arthur C. Brooks

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Drawing from his book Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around, Giboney challenges Christians to move beyond partisan tribalism, recover the bold example of the Civil Rights generation, and engage culture with truth, justice, and the transforming power of the gospel.

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• How Giboney went from knocking on doors in Southwest Atlanta to running campaigns — and what he learned along the way
• What a “culture war” actually is, where it started, and why the Black church refused to be defined by it
• Why fighting against evil doesn’t automatically make you good — and what the Civil Rights generation understood that we’ve largely forgotten
• What “moral imagination” means: the ability to see not just what is, but what ought to be based on God’s character and promises
• Practical advice for Christians who feel stuck between candidates — including Giboney’s framework for values-based voting
• How to stay engaged when politics feels exhausting — and when it’s actually okay to step back
• The Shirley Chisholm story: what moral imagination looks like in action, and why it still has the power to change people

ABOUT OUR GUEST

Justin E. Giboney (JD, Vanderbilt) is the co-founder and president of the AND Campaign, a Christian civic organization that equips Christians to engage in politics with the love and truth of Jesus Christ. He is an ordained minister, attorney, and political strategist whose work has appeared in the New York Times and Christianity Today. He is the author of Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around (IVP, 2025) and co-author of Compassion (&) Conviction (IVP, 2020).

RESOURCES

• Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around by Justin Giboney — ivpress.com
• The AND Campaign — andcampaign.org

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Edited by Dave Conour

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• Why Keas Keasler spent seven years researching Dallas Willard — and what he discovered that surprised him
• The key biographical facts of Willard’s life: a broken childhood, a pivotal choice between philosophy and seminary, and 47 years at USC
• How Willard’s friendship with Richard Foster and a small Quaker church in Southern California helped birth the modern spiritual formation movement
• Why Willard chose phenomenology — the study of consciousness — and how it shaped his theology of transformation
• What it means that Willard was a committed metaphysical and epistemic realist — and why that grounds everything he taught
• Willard’s vision of humans as co-rulers with God: what it means, what the parable of the pounds has to do with it, and why formation is training for that calling
• The famous Willard line: “Grace is not opposed to effort, but to earning” — and the sophisticated theology behind it
• The Golden Triangle of spiritual formation: the Holy Spirit, the spiritual disciplines, and the ordinary decisions of daily life
• The “sanctification gap” that Richard Lovelace identified in the 1970s — and why it has only widened since
• Why there is a crisis of character in the church today, and what Willard’s vision offers as a remedy

GUEST BIO

Keas Keasler (PhD, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam) is Associate Professor of Spiritual Theology at Friends University, where he also serves as Program Director of the MA in Christian Spiritual Formation and Leadership. He is a Research Affiliate of the Martin Institute for Christianity and Culture and the Dallas Willard Research Center at Westmont College. An ordained Baptist minister, Keasler has traveled to over forty countries and preached on six continents.

RESOURCES & LINKS

• Kingdom Apprenticeship by Keas Keasler (IVP Academic)
• Hearing God by Dallas Willard (IVP)
• Spirit of the Disciplines by Dallas Willard
• The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard
• Renovation of the Heart by Dallas Willard
• Becoming Dallas Willard by Gary Moon
• The Kingdom Among Us by Michael Stewart Robb
• Celebration of Discipline by Richard Foster
• Conversatio.org – Dallas W

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Edited by Dave Conour

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• Why humans are compelled to create AI in their own image — and what that reveals about us
• How the Imago Dei (image of God) shifts from intellect to relationship in 20th-century theology — and why it matters for AI
• What Christianity's strong theology of embodiment means in a world increasingly dominated by language and the cloud
• Why AI chatbot "relationships" are fundamentally different from — and inferior to — human relationships
• Where AI has real, appropriate uses (narrow, domain-specific tools like AlphaFold) and where it falls dangerously short
• Why Noreen sees limited good use for AI in ministry — and significant risks in pastoral care and counseling settings
• How large language models differ fundamentally from earlier AI — and why they hallucinate
• The collision course between AI energy consumption and climate change
• Why Noreen would advise most people: don't use it at all

GUEST BIO

Noreen Herzfeld is one of the rare scholars who holds advanced degrees in both computer science and Christian theology. She earned her M.S. and M.A. from Penn State, took a sabbatical to study why humans want to build AI in our image, and ended up earning a Ph.D. in Theology from the Graduate Theological Union at Berkeley. She has been teaching and writing at the intersection of technology and faith for over two decades. Her books include In Our Image: Artificial Intelligence and the Human Spirit (Fortress, 2002), Technology and Religion: Remaining Human in a Co-Created World (Templeton, 2009), and The Artifice of Intelligence: Divine and Human Relationship in a Robotic World (Fortress, 2023). She also directs the Benedictine Spirituality and Ecotheology Program at St. John's School of Theology and Seminary and is a Senior Research Associate at the Institute for Philosophical and Religious Studies in Koper, Slovenia.

RESOURCES & LINKS

• Noreen Herzfeld's faculty page: csbsju.edu/sot/person/noreen-herzfeld/
• In Our Image: Artificial Intelligence and the Human Spirit — (Fortress Press, 2002)
• Technology and Religion: Remaining Human in a Co-Created World — (Templeton, 2009)
• The Artifice of Intelligence: Divine and Human Relationship in a Robotic World — (Fortress, 2023)
• AlphaFold (DeepMind protein folding AI) — deepmind.google/technologies/alphafold
• Sherry Turkle, MIT sociologist — referenced in discussion of chatbot relationships

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Drawing on Scripture and theology — from Genesis to Jonah to the death of Moses — Reed invites us to reconsider the story we've been told. Rather than seeing our humanity as something to escape, he makes a compelling case that it's the very point of the gospel. God doesn't want to replace your humanity. He wants to partner with it.

This is a rich and honest conversation about identity and what it looks like to live as a human being made in the image of God.

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• Why the gospel is good news before its bad news — and how that changes everything
• How framing humanity as fundamentally broken shapes the way we read Scripture, pray, and relate to God
• What the story of Jonah reveals about mercy, anger, and the deeper questions the Bible is really asking
• How Genesis 2 and the story of Eve reframe our understanding of sin, guilt, and complexity
• Why the death of Moses challenges us to reconsider what our aim as human beings really is
• Practical guidance for walking someone through an identity crisis — rooted in belovedness, not shame
• How a richer biblical view of humanity offers a way forward for those disillusioned with the church
• What Psalm 139 teaches us about holding anger, brokenness, and trust together as one human experience

GUEST BIO
Reed Dent — Pastor, Author, and Campus Minister

Reed Dent is a pastor, campus minister, and co-author of The Gospel of Being Human alongside Marty Solomon (host of the BEMA Discipleship podcast). Reed has spent years working with college students — including at the University of Wisconsin-Madison — walking with 18-to-23-year-olds through questions of faith, identity, and what it means to follow Jesus in the real world. His writing and ministry are shaped by a conviction that Scripture, read on its own terms, consistently affirms the dignity and goodness of human beings made in the image of God.

RESOURCES & LINKS

• The Gospel of Being Human by Reed Dent & Marty Solomon (NavPress, April 2026): navpress.com
• Asking Better Questions of the Bible by Marty Solomon (companion book referenced in this episode)
• BEMA Discipleship Podcast (Marty Solomon): bema.tv 

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Drawing from decades of experience in the Middle East, Northern Ireland, South Africa, and the American South, Todd shares why forgiveness can’t be forced — but why, when it does happen, it has the power to break open even the most entrenched cycles of hurt. From the story of Mama Callie Greer in Montgomery, Alabama, to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in post-apartheid South Africa, this conversation is for anyone wrestling with what it means to pursue peace without sacrificing justice.

What You Will Learn

• Why forgiveness is essential to peacemaking — but can never be required or rushed
• The six principles of peacemaking that guide Telos’s work around the world
• The difference between inner transformation and systemic justice — and why both matter
• The story of Callie Greer: how one woman’s act of forgiveness launched a lifetime of advocacy
• What the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa teaches us about truth, forgiveness, and communal healing
• Why forgiveness across communal lines creates space for the offender to be transformed — not just the victim
• How restorative justice works, and why the American criminal legal system leaves so little room for repair
• The meaning of shalom — and why “peace” is a pale translation
• Communal responsibility, historical injustice, and what it means to say “I’m not responsible”
• Why “hurt people hurt people” — and why healed people have the power to bring healing to the world

Guest Bio

Todd Deatherage spent ten years on Capitol Hill and six years at the U.S. State Department working on human rights and international religious freedom — where he and Jean first became friends and colleagues. In 2009, he co-founded Telos, a nonprofit that helps leaders better understand conflict and equips them to pursue reconciliation and peace in some of the world’s most difficult contexts. Telos has created experiential learning journeys in the Middle East, Northern Ireland, South Africa, and the American South (Restory Us). Todd’s work is deeply rooted in his Christian faith and his conviction that justice, peacemaking, and forgiveness are inseparable.

Resources & Links

• Telos: telosgroup.org
• Restory Us (experiential learning in the American South): telosgroup.org
• One Day After Peace — documentary referenced in this episode
• Poor People’s Campaign (Rev. William Barber): poorpeoplescampaign.org
• Previous UpWords Podcast episode with Dr. Robert Enright on forgiveness: slbf.org/studio
• Listen and view other podcasts in the Forgivness Series: https://slbf.org/questions-of-faith-podcast-episodes

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Drawing on literature, theology, biography, and lived experience, Steve invites listeners into the central question of his new book, Hints of Hope: Essays on Making Peace with the Proximate - Is it worth doing something that matters, even when you don’t get everything you hoped for?

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
00:00 — Introduction: Steve Garber and the questions that have shaped his life and writing

03:26 — Steve’s father, plant pathology, and the question of germination: how a scientist’s work became a metaphor for vocation

07:52 — Dropping out of college, living in communes, and what those years taught Steve about the nature of learning

11:40 — “Common grace for the common good”: why a theology of common grace matters for how we work in the world

16:40 — “Vocation is integral, not incidental”: what it means to live seamlessly, without dualism

17:59 — Can you know the world and still love it? Making peace with the proximate: the essay that became a life philosophy

21:31 — Who is this book written for? How Steve’s audience has grown from university students to the whole world

28:39 — Telos and praxis: the fundamental question of the book — is it worth doing something that matters if you don’t get everything you hoped for?

33:19 — Already but not yet: Tolkien, Frodo, and what the last pages of The Return of the King taught Steve in his 60s that he missed at 20

36:36 — The Clapham Community, Wendell Berry, and why commitment to a people and a place matters

41:26 — NT Wright on joy and sorrow woven into the fabric of a life

44:45 — The perennial question: What does it mean to be human in 2026?

49:23 — What Steve may write next: pedagogy and learning “over the shoulder and through the heart”

ABOUT STEVE GARBER

Steven Garber was professor of marketplace theology and leadership at Regent College, Vancouver, and the principal of The Washington Institute for Faith, Vocation & Culture. A consultant to foundations, corporations, and schools, he is a teacher of many people in many places. His books include Visions of Vocation and The Fabric of Faithfulness, and he is a contributor to the books Faith Goes to Work: Reflections from the Marketplace and Get Up Off Your Knees: Preaching the U2 Catalogue.

BOOKS REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE

• Hints of Hope: Essays on Making Peace with the Proximate by Steve Garber (Paraclete Press, 2026)
• The Fabric of Faithfulness: Weaving Together Belief and Behavior by Steve Garber (IVP, 1996; revised ed. 2007)
• Visions of Vocation: Common Grace for the Common Good by Steve Garber (IVP, 2014)
• The Lord of the Rings (The Return of the King) by J.R.R. Tolkien (George Allen & Unwin, 1955)
• The Moviegoer by Walker Percy (Knopf, 1961)
• Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book by Walker Percy (F

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Host Rebecca Cooks welcomes Jason Ilstrup, president of Downtown Madison Inc., and Peter Tan, architect and Chief Design Officer Emeritus of Strang Inc., to discuss placemaking, the shifting character of downtown, the challenges of growth, and what it actually means to build a flourishing city for everyone.

From the magic of Memorial Union Terrace to the bold vision of the Envision Madison plan, this conversation is for anyone who loves their city and wants to understand how to make it better.

In This Episode

• Why Jason and Peter both call Madison's Union Terrace the city's "living room"
• The transformation of the East Washington corridor over 30 years
• What the Envision Madison plan is — and how you can have your say in shaping it
• The honest truth about gentrification: what it is, why it happens, and how good design can help
• Why development should always be seen as an opportunity, not a threat
• The "triple bottom line" for flourishing cities: people, planet, and profit
• Madison's approach to affordable housing — and why the most sustainable building is the one that already exists

GUEST BIOS

Jason Ilstrup — President, Downtown Madison Inc.

Jason has been a Madisonian since 2007 and has spent his career championing the city's downtown. As a former general manager of Hotel Red and now president of Downtown Madison Inc. (DMI), Jason brings hospitality, energy, and a deep love for people to the work of urban strategy and placemaking. He is currently leading the private-sector component of the landmark Envision Madison planning initiative.

Peter Tan — Architect & Chief Design Officer Emeritus, Strang Inc.

Peter moved to Madison in 1991 and has spent over three decades shaping the city's built environment. As an architect, he believes deeply that good design belongs to everyone — not just those with means. He has been involved in landmark projects across Madison.

Resources & Links
Envision Madison: downtownmadison.org

City of Madison planning resources: cityofmadison.com

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Tiffany's new book, Mourning God, was born out of the loss of her infant son David, who lived only 53 days, and the years of secondary infertility and spiritual wrestling that followed. With pastoral tenderness and unflinching honesty, she guides us through what it means to mourn not only our losses — but the God we thought we knew.

Together, Tressa and Tiffany explore:

1. What grief really is — including the losses we rarely name (identity, health, dreams, relationships)
2. The concept of secondary grief — mourning the God you thought you knew
3. Why lament is an act of faith, not a detour from it
4. The four-part framework of lament: turn, complain, ask, trust
5. The difference between the wall and the dark night of the soul
6. How the Psalms give language to grief when our own words fail
7. What it means to hold joy and sorrow together — and why the church struggles to make space for both
8. Practical ways to walk with a grieving friend — and how to ask for what you need
9. A vision of resurrection hope as the foundation for enduring loss

We close with the Beatitudes — a moving benediction over every soul in a season of grief. This is a conversation full of compassion, biblical depth, and the kind of hope that is honest enough to hold sorrow alongside it.

Resources Mentioned:

1. Mourning God: Grieving Loss, Wrestling with God, and Finding Your Way Back to Life by Tiffany Stein - https://www.navpress.com/p/mourning-god/9781641589833
2. Spotify Playlist inspired by the themes of Mourning God - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0tzsO1vVNYZAwHX01H3WaA?si=08d1ca13138d44cd
3. The Critical Journey: Stages in the Life of Faith by Janet Hagberg & Robert Guelich
4. Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Pete Scazzero

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Mark shares his upbringing in economic hardship, his journey into pastoral ministry, and the early experiences that awakened his calling to build healthy, multi‑ethnic churches. Together, John and Mark discuss the Prayer of St. Francis, its surprising origins, and its enduring ability to shape Christians into people who sow love, pardon, hope, and light.

Listeners will gain insight into:

1. The true origins of the peace prayer (hint: not St. Francis)
2. Why peacemaking is central to Christian identity
3. How juxtaposition and paradox lie at the heart of the gospel
4. The skills required to think and speak with nuance
5. Practical disciplines for removing “peace‑disturbing factors” in our lives
6. Stories of God’s grace at work amid personal grief, community challenges, and ministry breakthroughs
7. How Christians can witness with humility rather than merely “make points”
8. How churches can embody reconciliation in polarized times

This episode invites us to pause, breathe, and rediscover the beauty and costliness of Christlike peace.

Key Topics

1. Multi‑ethnic church leadership
2. Cultural intelligence and nuance
3. The peace prayer of 1912 and its global impact
4. Biblical foundations of peacemaking (Matthew 5, Isaiah 61, Luke 4)
5. Christian formation in polarized times
6. Practical disciplines for pursuing peace
7. Mark’s personal journey and testimony

Resources & Links

1. Mark DeYmaz: Books, resources, and ministry
2. Make Me an Instrument of Peace (NavPress, 2026)

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Drawing from her own story, her research on metaphors of clothing and nakedness, and her current work on shame in the Psalms, Shannon helps us see why shame can feel like a “roadblock” to becoming who we truly are in Christ.

Together, Jean and Shannon explore:

1. What shame is (and what it’s not)
2. The “singularity” of shame and how it distorts identity
3. Why community is essential when shame pushes us toward isolation
4. How Jesus meets and reorients identity in stories like the Samaritan woman and Zacchaeus
5. The role of prayer, Scripture, and the Psalms in forming a new shame‑resistant identity
6. Shannon’s own pivotal experience of discovering who she is in Christ
7. The difference between shame, guilt, humiliation, and shamelessness
8. How cultivating openness to God and others allows transformation

This is a conversation full of hope, clarity, and practical wisdom for anyone navigating questions of identity, healing, and spiritual formation.

Resources Mentioned:

1. S.J. Parrott’s Friday Night Lectures at Upper House
2. Lecture 1 Apple Podcasts
3. Lecture 1 Spotify
4. Lecture 1 YouTube
5. Lecture 2 Apple Podcasts
6. Lecture 2 Spotify
7. Lecture 2 YouTube

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Produced by Daniel Johnson and Dave Conour

Edited by Dave Conour

Together, they discuss:

• Why gardening is such a powerful and biblical metaphor for ministry
• The pressures pastors face today — cultural polarization, unmet expectations, leadership models, and soul-level exhaustion
• The liberating shift from control to cultivation
• Scriptural roots of agrarian leadership (1 Cor. 3:6; Genesis 2; the resurrected Jesus as gardener)
• How place, soil, and local context shape faithful ministry
• Technology, AI, and the crisis of control — and how agrarian spirituality grounds us again
• Seasons of leadership, the “wall,” and finding hope in times of limitation
• A hopeful vision for the future church — diverse, listening, burden-bearing, and rooted in resurrection hope

This conversation offers encouragement for pastors, ministry leaders, and anyone longing for a more grounded, faithful, and hopeful way forward in Christian leadership.

📖 The Pastor as Gardener: A Renewed Vision for Ministry (Eerdmans, 2026) = https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802884145/the-pastor-as-gardener/

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Produced by Daniel Johnson and Dave Conour

Edited by Dave Conour

In This Episode

• Why Lent is a season of wilderness, repentance, and preparation
• How traditions like Anglicanism and Lutheranism shape our imagination of sacred time
• The power of silence, solitude, and contemplative reading
• A new theological work on sin by Timothy Keller
• Fleming Rutledge’s classic writings on the crucifixion and death of Christ
• Creative Bible studies integrating art, QR‑coded media, and peace/reconciliation themes
• Art‑driven prayer resources for seasons of depression or disorientation
• Reading as a spiritual discipline during Lent

About Our Guest

Byron Borger is the owner of Hearts & Minds Books in Dallastown, Pennsylvania. Learn more or subscribe to his Booknotes newsletter at: heartsandmindsbooks.com

List of books mentioned in the episode

• Rhythms of Faith: A Devotional Pilgrimage Through the Church Year — Claude Atcho (WaterBrook, 2025)
• Reading Black Books: How African American Literature Can Make Our Faith More Whole and Just — Claude Atcho (Brazos Press, 2022)
• A Beautiful Year: 52 Meditations on Faith, Wisdom, and Perseverance — Diana Butler Bass (St. Martin’s Essentials, 2025)
• Lent: The Season of Repentance and Renewal — Esau McCaulley (IVP Formatio, 2022)
• What Is Wrong with the World — Timothy Keller (Zondervan, 2025)
• The Crucifixion: Understanding the Death of Jesus Christ — Fleming Rutledge (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2015)
• The Undoing of Death — Fleming Rutledge (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2005)
• Why Did Jesus Have to Die?: The Meaning of the Crucifixion — Adam Hamilton (Abingdon Press, 2025)
• Liberated at the Cross: Peace and Reconciliation in God’s Kingdom — Crystal Acevedo (IV Press, 2026)
• May It Be So: 40 Days with the Lord’s Prayer — Justin McRoberts & Scott Erickson (WaterBrook, 2019)
• Prayer — Justin McRoberts & Scott Erickson (WaterBrook, 2019)
• In the Low: Honest Prayers for Dark Seasons — Justin McRoberts & Scott Erickson (Baker Books, 2025)
• Walking in the Wilderness — Beth Richardson (Upper Room Books, 2020)
• Pauses for Lent: 40 Words for 40 Days — Trevor Hudson (Upper Room Books, 2015)
• Pauses for Advent — Trevor Hudson (Upper Room Books, 2017)
• Pauses for Pentecost — Trevor Hudson (Upper Room Books, 2018)
• Lent in Plain Sight: A Devotion Through Objects — Jill Duffield (Westminster John Knox Press, 2020)
• Advent in Plain Sight: A Devotion Through Objects — Jill Duffield (Westminster John Knox Press, 2021)
• Christ in Our Midst: Daily Lenten Refle

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Edited by Dave Conour

Together they address common myths (like “if you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life”), examine how Scripture frames calling, and talk honestly about seasons of transition, feeling stuck, and how God uses ordinary faithfulness over time. Whether you’re a college student, mid‑career professional, or simply wondering what’s next, this conversation offers a hopeful and theologically rich path forward.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

1. Defining terms: How Karen distinguishes calling, vocation, work, and career, and why clarity here can be freeing.
2. Big cultural myths about calling: Why “follow your passion” and “do what you love and you’ll never work” set us up for disappointment.
3. Biblical foundations of calling: Our primary calling to Christ, our multiple secondary callings (family, church, community, gifts), and how these fit together.
4. Work before the fall: How Scripture presents work as part of God’s good design—and what it means to be co‑laborers with God in creation.
5. Skills, passions, and reality: Why what you’re good at, what you love, and what pays the bills don’t always overlap—and how to live wisely in that tension.
6. Mobility and rootedness: The opportunities and hidden costs of a mobile life and career, and what we gain by staying put.
7. Feeling stuck in your calling: Practical guidance for Christians who feel trapped, misaligned, or unsure how their current work fits God’s purposes.
8. The church and vocation: How local congregations can better affirm everyday callings—and avoid exploiting people’s desire to serve.
9. Gen Z and discernment: Why endless options create anxiety, how social media amplifies pressure, and why Karen loves the phrase “touch grass.”

📚 Resources Mentioned

1. Book: You Have a Calling: Finding Your Vocation in the True, Good, and Beautiful by Karen Swallow Prior - https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781587436659_you-have-a-cal

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📌 What You’ll Learn:

· Why this question is more complicated than it seems.

· How religion influenced the founding era—and where it didn’t.

· Why the debate is rooted in modern culture wars.

· The historian’s challenge: communicating nuance in polarized times.

🔗 Resources & Links:

· John Fea’s book: Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? - https://a.co/d/5ZHqfgt

· John Fea’s podcast: The Way of Improvement Leads Home - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-way-of-improvement-leads-home-american/id1071244872

· SLBF Studio: https://slbf.org/studio

📣 Upper House Commons Lecture Series:

· LECTURE ONE

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· LECTURE TWO

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· LECTURE THREE

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The conversation dives into:

• Why most faith-and-work discourse overlooks the realities of fallenness and finitude.
• How embracing our created limits can be liberating rather than frustrating.
• How gaining a theology of work that moves beyond only ideas of productivity or calling can help us in the trenches of our jobs.
• How a more robust theology of work can provide spiritual wisdom for navigating seasons of toil and unmet expectations.

If you’ve ever wondered how your daily labor—whether in the boardroom, classroom, or trades—fits into God’s story, this episode offers clarity and hope.

About our guests:

W. David Buschart (PhD, Drew University) is professor of theology and historical studies at Denver Seminary. He is the author of Exploring Protestant Traditions and coauthor of Theology as Retrieval. He is a ruling elder and member of the theology committee of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church.

Ryan Tafilowski (PhD, Edinburgh) is an assistant professor of theology at Denver Seminary and the lead pastor of Foothills Fellowship Church in Littleton, Colorado. He is the coauthor, with Ross Chapman, of Faithful Work: In the Daily Grind with God and for Others. He previously served as theologian-in-residence for the Denver Institute for Faith and Work.

Resources & Links:

• 📖 Worth Doing: Fallenness, Finitude, and Work in the Real World = https://www.ivpress.com/worth-doing
• 🔗 Denver Institute for Faith & Work = https://www.denverinstitute.org/
• 🔗 Karam Fellowship = https://karamfellowship.org/
• Theology of Work Project = https://www.theologyofwork.org/

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What You'll Learn

1. Why racial justice requires more than short-term activism.
2. Four common pitfalls that derail perseverance—and how to navigate them.
3. The role of lament, mending, risk-taking, and joy in sustaining advocacy.
4. How Christian hope reframes our approach to justice.
5. Practical insights for white Christians seeking long-term engagement.

Resources & Links

1. Book: https://a.co/d/azCpsPj
2. Past Episodes & Resources: slbf.org/studio

Key Quotes

1. “We are seeking out a justice that moves to community rather than a justice that says, ‘All right, we’re all even now.’”
2. “Grace is not about saying, ‘Oh, it’s fine.’ You can’t forgive something unless you’ve named what was wrong.”
3. “Sometimes the best way to fix it is just to live it.”

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Key Topics:

• Why Abby wrote Films for All Seasons
• How to watch movies devotionally using Lectio Divina principles
• Advent themes in The Last Jedi and Paddington
• Christmas through the lens of Children of Men
• Building community around film in a streaming era
• Abby’s 2025 film recommendations, including Wake Up Dead Man

Resources & Links:

• Films for All Seasons: Experiencing the Church Year at the Movies, (IVP, 2024) = https://www.ivpress.com/films-for-all-seasons

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro

02:15 – Why Abby wrote Films for All Seasons

08:30 – Watching movies devotionally

15:45 – Advent themes: Hope & Joy (The Last Jedi, Paddington)

32:10 – Christmas themes: New life in Children of Men

45:00 – Regaining community around film

52:30 – Abby’s 2025 film recommendations (Wake Up Dead Man)

58:00 – Closing thoughts

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What You’ll Learn:

• Why forgiveness is more than saying “I forgive you.”
• The role of anger and acknowledgment in healing.
• How prayer and the Holy Spirit transform the forgiveness journey.
• The difference between forgiveness and reconciliation—and why it matters.
• How faith and psychology work together in the pursuit of wholeness.

Resources Mentioned:

• Forgiveness is a Choice by Dr. Robert Enright = https://a.co/d/3RXSGSC
• Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Pete Scazzero = https://a.co/d/5rB9FMm
• Previous episode with Dr. Bob Enright (available at slbf.org/studio) = https://slbf.org/media/s8f264m/the-transformative-power-of-forgiveness-dr-robert-enright

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Edited by Dave Conour

Key Topics:

• Why Todd wrote AI Goes to Church
• Defining AI and its influence on everyday life
• How algorithms shape spiritual formation
• Theological frameworks for engaging technology
• Ethics: Is technology neutral?
• AI and the future of work, rest, and human flourishing
• Higher education’s evolving posture toward AI
• Practical advice for churches: “Automate the boring bits”

Links & Resources:

• 📙Get the book: AI Goes to Church - https://www.ivpress.com/ai-goes-to-church
• Learn more about the SL Brown Foundation STUDIO - https://slbf.org/studio

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We explore:

• What forgiveness is—and what it is not
• Why forgiveness is a moral virtue
• The psychological and spiritual benefits of forgiving
• How forgiveness can break cycles of generational trauma
• Practical steps for forgiving others and yourself

Resources Mentioned:

• https://internationalforgiveness.com
• Free curriculum guides: Email director@internationalforgiveness.com and mention this podcast

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Highlights:

• Why Advent is central to the biblical story
• Byron’s childhood Christmas memories and their spiritual significance
• How busyness can become holy work during the holidays
• The meaning of waiting and longing in a restless world

Books Mentioned:

·      Advent: The Once and Future Coming of Jesus Christ – Fleming Rutledge (Eerdmans, 2018)

·      The First Advent in Palestine: Reversals, Resistance, and the Ongoing Complexity of Hope – Kelly Nikondeha (Broadleaf Books, 2022)

·      Hints of Hope: Essays on Living Proximately – Steven Garber (Pericles Press, 2024)

·      Advent (The Liturgical Year Series) – Tish Harrison Warren (InterVarsity Press, 2022)

·      Christmas: The Season of Light and Life (The Liturgical Year Series) – Emily Hunter McGowin (InterVarsity Press, 2022)

·      Epiphany: Season of Glory (The Liturgical Year Series) – Fleming Rutledge (InterVarsity Press, 2023)

·      The Art of Living in Advent: 28 Days of Joyful Waiting – Sylvie Van Hooser (Paraclete Press, 2024)

·      Advent Is the Story: Seeing the Nativity Throughout Scripture – Daniel Spanjer (Square Halo Books, 2022)

·      With Heart and Soul and Voice: Advent Devotions on the First Christmas Songs – Tim Chester (The Good Book Company, 2024)

·      A Book of Days: Christmas Reflections from the Northwest – Steve Moore & Contributors (Murdoch Trust, 2024)

·      Praying with Saint Nicholas: A Christmas Devotional – Matt Mikalatos (Tyndale House, 2024)

·      Waiting for Jesus: An Advent Invitation to Prayer and Renewal – Rich Villodas (WaterBrook, 2024)

·      The Star Still Beckons: Gifts of Presence at Advent and Christmas – Leonard Sweet (Salish Sea Press, 2024)

·      Unhappy Holidays: Advent Devotional Blessings for a Blue Christmas – Sherri Lee Gerber (Herald Press, 2024)

·      All Creation Waits: The Advent Mystery of New Beginnings – Gayle Boss; Illustrations by David G. Klein (Paraclete Press, 2016; Gift Edition 2021)

·      All Creation Waits: Children’s Edition – Gayle Boss (Paraclete Press, 2022)

·      The Biggest Story: Advent Devotional – Kevin DeYoung; Illustrations by Don Clark (Crossway, 2023)

·     The One We’re Waiting For: An Illustrated Advent Devotional for Families – Taylor Combs (B&H Publishing Group, 2023)

·     Incarnation: A Bible Study on the Coming of Christ – Derek Vreeland (Word of Life Resources, 2024)

Other Resources:

• Byron’s Booknotes Newsletter - https://www.heartsandmindsbooks.co

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Guests:

• Calvin Duncan – Jailhouse lawyer, law school graduate, co-founder of the New Orleans Innocence Project
• Sophie Cole – Criminal justice reform advocate, co-founder of the Visiting Room Project
• Moderator: Phil Haslinger – Journalist and ordained minister

Topics Covered:

• Wrongful conviction and the flaws in eyewitness testimony
• Life inside Angola Prison and the role of jailhouse lawyers
• The fight for access to legal records and justice reform
• Reentry challenges after incarceration
• Faith, resilience, and the meaning of advocacy

Resources & Links:

• https://slbf.org/events
• https://slbf.org/studio
• https://www.visitingroomproject.org

📙 Book:

• The Jailhouse Lawyer by Calvin Duncan and Sophie Cull (Penguin Random House, 2025) https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/771367/the-jailhouse-lawyer-by-calvin-duncan-and-sophie-cull/

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Edited by Dave Conour

📚 Topics include:

·     The intellectual history of “religion” and “secularism”

·     Case studies from France, Turkey, Mexico, the Soviet Union, and Albania

·     The ideological legacy of Marxist-Leninist thought

·     How secularist ideologies have impacted religious minorities

·     A comparison with Charles Taylor’s A Secular Age

🔗 Resources:

·     Broken Altars by Tal Howard (Yale University Press) https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300263619/broken-altars/

·     Previous Upwards episode with Tal Howard (2021)

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VKb21hmXYuFhCzB3RodKv?si=-f8_LzsMRnWp3ekfu8x0Hw

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Edited by Dave Conour

Topics Covered:

• Why democracy matters for people of faith
• The biblical call to seek justice for the vulnerable
• How Christians can engage in civic life without placing ultimate hope in politics
• The global struggle for freedom and the role of American Christians
• Higher education’s role in forming democratic citizens

Guest Bio:

Nicole Bibbins Sedaca is a seasoned advocate for democracy and human rights, with experience at the State Department and Freedom House. She brings a deep understanding of global democratic movements and a strong Christian perspective on civic engagement.

Resources & Links:

• Learn more about the https://slbf.org
• Connect with Nicole Bibbins Sedaca via the George W. Bush Institute - https://www.bushcenter.org/

Links to previous episodes on Citizenship:

Christian Citizenship in a Pluralistic World | Chris Seiple

• Apple Podcasts = https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-upwords-podcast/id1537044590?i=1000720569822
• Spotify = https://open.spotify.com/episode/1eXhXf3DdII63mc97NIlaq?si=Tqx8q4vGSgWKI2G7FhEOPg
• YouTube = https://youtu.be/ndD4NTT8kLQ

Faith, Citizenship, and Dissent: Lessons from 18th–19th Century Britain | Michael Rutz

• Apple Podcasts = https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-upwords-podcast/id1537044590?i=1000722513294
• Spotify = https://open.spotify.com/episode/2cwJ9pjDQZBp5hxRDVoUMR?si=38433acca24c40b4

Christian Citizenship and the Early Church | Gar Anderson

• Apple Podcasts = https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-upwords-podcast/id1537044590?i=1000726874819
• Spotify = https://open.spotify.com/episode/088w4Ne0lxQSStKsp9senx?si=87caaabc653943b3
• YouTube = https://youtu.be/tdE4uw2KokY

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J.R. shares personal stories and practical frameworks, including the four levels of good questions—from basic information to transformational depth. He also reflects on how Jesus modeled question-asking, why curiosity is essential for Christian formation, and how leaders can use questions to foster flourishing in their communities.

Key Topics:

• Why questions are essential for spiritual growth and leadership
• The four levels of good questions
• How to ask better questions of God, ourselves, and others
• Stories of transformation through questions, including the powerful example of Daryl Davis
• Practical questions for leaders at every level

Resources Mentioned:

• The Art of Asking Better Questions by J.R. Briggs (IVP, 2025) https://www.ivpress.com/the-art-of-asking-better-questions
• Hearts & Minds Bookstore (Byron Borger)
• The Six Conversations by Heather Holleman
• Psalms of lament and the role of questions in Scripture

Connect with J.R. Briggs:

• https://jrbriggs.com
• @jr_briggs on social media

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/vu0qW7mQrWo

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Drawing deeply from Luke chapters 1–4, Jason shares how the life of Jesus offers a radically different leadership model rooted in identity, character, and calling. He discusses the personal disciplines that have shaped his journey, including Ignatian spirituality, Orthodox iconography, therapy, and the daily examen. Jason also reflects on his pilgrimage along the Camino de Santiago and the importance of discerning signposts in leadership vocation.

This rich conversation invites listeners to reimagine leadership as participation in God’s story, where we are called to be faithful secondary characters in the divine drama. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, this episode offers wisdom, hope, and practical guidance for leading with integrity and grace.

📘 Form to Lead is available now and includes group discussion guides and spiritual exercises for deeper engagement.

https://www.ivpress.com/formed-to-lead

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Produced by Daniel Johnson and Dave Conour

Edited by Dave Conour

🧠 Topics Covered 

• Brandon’s academic journey and early experiences in Berlin 
• The religious landscape of Germany in the early 20th century 
• Protestant responses to the Weimar Republic and the rise of Nazism 
• The Confessing Church, Bonhoeffer, and the myth vs. reality of resistance 
• Lay women and local resistance efforts during WWII 
• Post-war Protestantism and its role in moral reconstruction 
• The church’s stance on denazification and human rights 
• Protestant identity, conscience, and democratic values in West Germany 
• Comparative reflections on secularization in Germany vs. the U.S. 

📚 Key Takeaways 

• Protestant churches were deeply intertwined with the German state pre-WWI and faced identity crises post-1918. 
• Initial enthusiasm for Nazism among Protestant leaders gave way to internal conflict over racial policies and church autonomy. 
• Resistance efforts were often led by laypeople, especially women, rather than prominent pastors. 
• Post-1945, Protestant churches leveraged their moral authority to influence democratic reconstruction and human rights discourse. 
• The concept of “conscience” became central to Protestant political engagement in West Germany. 
• German secularization differs from the American model, with churches maintaining public roles despite declining private religiosity. 

🔗 Resources & Mentions 

• Reinventing Protestant Germany by Brandon Block — Harvard University Press https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674295438  
• Peter Kaika’s book Follow Your Conscience 
• Doris Bergen’s work on military chaplains and Nazi crimes 
• Kirchentag (German Protestant lay assembly) 
• Martin Niemöller’s famous quote: “First they came for the communists…” 

📍 Where to Listen 

Find this and over 150 other episodes at slbf.org/studio

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Drawing from his seminal work The Transforming Vision (1984) and his forthcoming book Dancing in the Dragon’s Jaws: The Christian Worldview in a Conflicted Age, Middleton challenges listeners to move beyond tribalism, cultural conformity, and rigid doctrinal packages. Instead, he invites us to embrace a biblically rooted, lived orientation toward the world—one that is shaped by grace, community, and spiritual formation.

Topics include:

• The difference between worldview as a lived orientation vs. a set of ideas
• How cultural norms have overtaken biblical foundations in many churches
• The role of deconstruction and reconstruction in spiritual growth
• Why diversity in Scripture points to a deeper unity
• Practical questions to help uncover and reshape your worldview

Whether you're a student, pastor, educator, or curious seeker, this episode offers rich insights into how we see the world—and how Scripture invites us to see it differently.

📺 Watch this episode on YouTube https://youtu.be/y20HygPRXWE.

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Edited by Dave Conour

🧭 Key Topics Covered

• Mission Drift & Leadership Drift
• Building on his earlier book Mission Drift, Peter explains how both organizations and individuals can lose sight of their purpose.
• Writing Your Eulogy & Resignation Letter
• Peter shares how these two exercises helped him recalibrate his identity and leadership priorities.
• Misguided Pursuits: Achievement & Power
• The dangers of idolizing success and influence, especially in mission-driven work.
• The Role of Speed & Isolation in Drift
• How hurry and lack of authentic relationships contribute to leaders losing their way.

Whether you're a senior leader or a rising one, this episode offers practical wisdom and soul-searching reflection. Peter’s insights challenge us to slow down, build authentic relationships, and stay rooted in purpose. Leadership isn’t just about achieving—it’s about finishing well.

Peter Greer is president and CEO of HOPE International, a global nonprofit working to alleviate physical and spiritual poverty in 29 countries around the world. Peter’s favorite part of his role is spending time with the remarkable entrepreneurs HOPE serves. A graduate of Harvard’s Kennedy School, Peter has co-authored over 15 books, including Lead with Prayer, Mission Drift, Rooting for Rivals, and How Leaders Lose Their Way. While his sports loyalties remain in New England, he lives with his wife, Laurel, and their four children in Lancaster, PA.

📚 About the Book

Title: How Leaders Lose Their Way

Author: Peter Greer

Publisher: InterVarsity Press

Year: 2025

Website: HowLeadersLoseTheirWay.com

🔗 Resources & Links

• 📖 Purchase the book from InterVarsity Press = https://www.ivpress.com/how-leaders-lose-their-way
• 🌍 Hope International = https://www.hopeinternational.org/
• 🏛️ S.L. Brown Foundation = https://slbf.org/
• 📺 Watch this episode on YouTube = link fourth coming

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Gar and Jean discuss:

• The historical context of citizenship in the Roman Empire
• The difference between patriotism and indifference in Christian political engagement
• Jesus’ teaching on rendering to Caesar and God
• Lessons from Paul’s use of Roman citizenship to expose injustice
• Practical examples of loving one’s neighbor in everyday life

📚 Recommended Resources

Books Mentioned:

• Christians as the Romans Saw Them by Robert Wilken (Oxford University Press, 1984)
• The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark (HarperOne, 1996)
• Destroyer of the Gods by Larry Hurtado (Baylor University Press, 2016)
• Strange Religion by Nijay Gupta (Brazos Press, 2023)
• The Patient Ferment of the Early Church by Alan Kreider (Baker Academic, 2016)

Ancient Text Highlighted:

• Letter to Diognetus (c. 125–150 AD) — A second-century Christian apology describing the distinctiveness of Christian life and allegiance. Link = https://storage2.snappages.site/6X3R8B/assets/files/The-Epistle-to-Diognetus.pdf

Other Podcast Episodes Mentioned

·     Christian Citizenship in a Pluralistic World | Chris Seiple (August 4, 2025) https://player.captivate.fm/episode/1fedbb2c-6c00-47d3-bc40-a1cc9a367d84/

·     Faith, Citizenship, and Dissent: Lessons from 18th–19th Century Britain | Michael Rutz (August 18, 2025) https://player.captivate.fm/episode/8fa1fc18-402f-4271-afc8-9e4bf9a73c13/

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➡️ 📚 Featured Book Recommendations

🎓 For Students & Educators

• Why Study History? by John Fea (Baker Academic, 2024)
• Learning to Love: Christian Higher Education as Pilgrimage by Alex Sosler (Falls City Press, 2023)
• The Art of Asking Better Questions by J.R. Briggs (IVP, 2025)
• Everything is Never Enough: Ecclesiastes' Surprising Path to Resilient Happiness by Bobby Jamieson (Penguin Random House, 2025)

🌍 On Culture & Theology

• The Way of Christ in Culture: A Vision for All of Life by Benjamin Quinn & Dennis Greeson (B&H Academic, 2024)
• The Core of the Christian Faith: Living the Gospel for the Sake of the World by Michael Goheen (Brazos Press, 2025)
• Culture Making by Andy Crouch (IVP, 2008)
• He Shines in All That’s Fair: Culture and Common Grace by Richard Mouw (Eerdmans, 2002)
• Creation Regained: Biblical Basics for a Reformational Worldview by Albert Wolters (Eerdmans, 2005)

🕊️ Spiritual Formation

• Slow Theology: Eight Practices for Resilient Faith in a Turbulent World by A.J. Swoboda & Nijay Gupta (Brazos Press, 2025)
• You Can Trust a God with Scars: Faith (and Doubt) for the Searching Soul by Jared Ayers (NavPress, 2025)

👥 Memoirs & Personal Narratives

• I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness by Austin Channing Brown (Convergent Books, 2018)
• Full of Myself: Black Womanhood and the Journey to Self-Possession by Austin Channing Brown (Convergent Books, 2025)
• The Exact Place by Margie Haack (Deep River Books, 2012)
• Surrender: 40 Songs, One Story by Bono (Knopf, 2022)

💬 Key Themes

• The Gospel of the Kingdom and its cultural implications
• Christian higher education as a journey of love and formation
• Asking better questions as a spiritual and relational practice
• Engaging culture thoughtfully and faithfully
• The power of memoirs to cultivate empathy and self-reflection
• Slowing down to deepen theological understanding and resilience

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• SL Brown Foundation = https://slbf.org

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🧠 Key Topics Covered

• The Double-Edged Nature of Calling: How a sense of calling can both inspire and blind us to workplace injustices.
• Faith in a Pluralistic Workplace: Navigating religious diversity while remaining true to Christian convictions.
• Radical Embrace: The central thesis of the book—engaging others with respect and openness, even across belief systems.

Five Core Tensions:

1. Secular vs. Sacred Work
2. Protecting Ourselves vs. Protecting Others
3. Individual Ethics vs. Systems Thinking
4. Restrictive Gender Roles vs. Flourishing Together
5. Verbal Proclamation vs. Principled Pluralism
6. (Bonus Tension: Work vs. Rest/Sabbath)

• The Role of Rest: Why Sabbath matters and how to integrate rhythms of rest into daily life.
• Empirical Insights: Surprising data on who feels called to their work—and who doesn’t.

📊 Research Highlights

• Only 1 in 5 Christians surveyed feel a strong sense of calling in their work.
• People in service-oriented or nonprofit roles report higher levels of calling than those in finance or knowledge work.
• Those with more organizational power are more likely to feel called—but higher income does not correlate with calling.

📚 About the Guests

• Elaine Howard Ecklund is the Herbert S. Autrey Chair in Social Sciences, professor of sociology, and director of the Boniuk Institute at Rice University.
• Denise Daniels is Hudson T. Harrison Professor of Entrepreneurship at Wheaton College.

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• Visit https://slbf.org/ for more about the SL Brown Foundation and Upper House.
• Explore the book: Working for Better: A New Approach to Faith at Work (available now). https://www.ivpress.com/working-for-better

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🗝️ Key Topics Covered

Who Were the Dissenters?

• Protestant groups (Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, Presbyterians) who refused to conform to the Church of England.
• Faced legal discrimination and second-class civic status.

Education and the Dissenting Academies

• Creation of alternative institutions to educate ministers and laypeople.
• Emphasis on practical, Enlightenment-influenced curriculum including science, history, and civic engagement.

Rational vs. Evangelical Dissenters

• Rational dissenters embraced Enlightenment ideals and supported revolutionary causes.
• Evangelical dissenters focused on personal conversion, biblical authority, and social activism.

Religious Liberty and Political Reform

• Campaigns to repeal discriminatory laws like the Test and Corporation Acts.
• Advocacy for religious freedom as a core Christian and civic principle.

Missions and Abolition

• Evangelical dissenters played key roles in foreign missions and anti-slavery movements.
• Missionary work in places like the Cape Colony led to campaigns for civil equality for indigenous populations.

Coalition Building Across Faith Lines

• Groups like the Clapham Sect united Anglicans and dissenters around shared goals like abolition.
• Lessons for today: working across theological and political divides for common good.

ABOUT OUR GUEST

Michael A. Rutz, Ph.D. is a Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh. Since joining UWO’s history faculty in 2002, he has built a distinguished career as a scholar of 19th- and 20th-century Great Britain, the British Empire, religion and politics. Dr. Rutz earned his Ph.D. and M.A. in History from Washington University in St. Louis, and a B.A., with high honors in History, from the University of Michigan. His major publications include The British Zion: Congregationalism, Politics, and Empire (2011) and King Leopold’s Congo and the “Scramble for Africa” (2018); he has also published several articles on the intersection of religion and politics in 19c Britain and the British empire and is a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society.

📚 Recommended Reading

• The British Zion: Congregationalism, Politics and Empire, 1790–1850 by Michael Rutz (Baylor University Press, 2011)
• https://www.baylorpress.com/9781602582057/the-british-zion/

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🗣️ Topics Covered

• Craig’s journey from seminary to screenwriting
• The spiritual and emotional power of film as storytelling
• The changing dynamics of the film industry post-COVID and post-strike
• The rise of independent filmmaking and new distribution models
• The WinRyder program and its impact at Sundance Film Festival
• Recommended summer films: Sketch, Superman, Fantastic Four
• Upcoming fall release: Bruce Springsteen biopic Deliver Me From Nowhere
• Navigating the sacred/secular divide in media
• Technology’s influence on spirituality and identity
• AI’s role in the creative process — risks and opportunities
• The importance of human ingenuity and honest creativity

🎬 Film Recommendations

• Sketch – A heartfelt, imaginative indie film exploring grief and creativity
• Superman & Fantastic Four – Fresh takes on superhero narratives with sincerity and optimism
• Sinners – A dark, cautionary tale with unexpected spiritual depth
• Deliver Me From Nowhere – A soulful Bruce Springsteen biopic coming this fall

📚 Craig’s Latest Book

Honest Creativity – A reflection on anxiety in the creative class and the role of AI in shaping the future of art and storytelling.

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🙌 Closing Encouragement

Craig reminds us that while tools may change, the human longing for connection through art remains timeless. He encourages creatives to lean into their unique voices and continue expressing joy, pain, and truth through their craft.

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Through the lens of “covenantal pluralism,” Chris shares insights from decades of experience working at the intersection of Christian faith, education, and public life. The conversation covers the threefold nature of Christian citizenship—loyalty to our country, the world, and first and foremost, the Kingdom of God. They discuss the importance of loving our neighbors, engaging respectfully with those we disagree with, and preparing the next generation through higher education to be thoughtful, principled citizens.

Chris and Jean also address current challenges, including religious nationalism, polarization, and the contentious debates around diversity and inclusion in academia. They share practical suggestions for building relationships across diverse communities, overcoming fear, and living out faith in tangible ways at both the local and global levels.

Whether you’re a student, educator, faith leader, or community member, this episode offers timely wisdom and encouragement for anyone seeking to be a peacemaker and agent of flourishing in a pluralistic society.

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Together, they discuss:

• The difference between the spiritually curious, curious skeptics, and naturalists
• How Gen Z is both in revival and retreat — and what that means for the Church
• Why traditional evangelism methods may fall short in today’s culture
• The importance of long-term relationships over quick conversions
• How churches can better engage those deconstructing their faith
• The role of curiosity, ambiguity, and meaningful relationships in discipleship

Whether you're a ministry leader, student, or simply curious about faith trends, this episode offers deep insights into how we can better understand and walk alongside those exploring spirituality in a post-Christian world.

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• Learn more about Faith for the Curious = https://shop.barna.com/collections/featured-work/products/faith-for-the-curious
• Explore Barna’s research on Gen Z and spiritual openness
• Connect with Mark Matlock at markmatlock.com

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🧠 Topics Covered

What is a Hybrid Congregation?

• Michael defines hybrid congregations as communities that blend traditional in-person worship with digital practices, emphasizing that most churches already operate along this spectrum.

Theology of Digital Embodiment

• Drawing on scholars like Pete Phillips and Teresa Berger, Michael discusses how embodiment persists even in digital spaces and how online worship can still be deeply relational and spiritual.

Music in Hybrid Worship

• Michael reflects on the evolving role of music in digital settings, balancing participatory and presentational approaches, and shares creative examples from his research.
• Sacraments in a Digital World
• From virtual baptisms to home communion, Michael explores how different traditions are reimagining sacramental practices in hybrid contexts.

Community & Spiritual Formation

• Practical strategies for fostering genuine community and discipleship across physical and digital spaces, including empowering online members to lead and serve.
• Technology, Discernment & the Church
• A call for churches to resist fear-based or tech-obsessed extremes and instead adopt a people-first, discerning approach to digital ministry.

The Future of Worship

• Michael shares his vision for a church that resists fragmentation and embraces digital tools to deepen connection, compassion, and Christlikeness.

📚 Resources Mentioned

• 📖 The Hybrid Congregation: A Practical Theology of Worship for an Online Era by Michael Huerter (InterVarsity Press)
• 📊 Pew Research on church attendance and online worship trends in 2025
• 🧠 Scholars referenced: Pete Phillips (Spurgeon’s College), Teresa Berger (Yale Divinity School)
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Together, they reflect on how art can be a vehicle for shalom—a vision of universal flourishing—and how artists can navigate internal doubts, external pressures, and the temptation to turn art into propaganda or kitsch. Mitali also offers practical wisdom on embracing ancient spiritual practices, finding courage to share your work, and building creative community.

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Talk 1️⃣ = Reimagining Our Moment for Whatever Comes Next - with Anne Snyder (Recorded on January 30, 2025)

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Talk 2️⃣ = Can Fiction Deliver What Technology Can't? - with Casandra Nelson (Recorded on February 14, 2025)

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Talk 3️⃣ = What Can Evangelicals Teach Us About Beauty? - Karen Swallow Prior (Recorded on March 14, 2025)

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Angie Ward (PhD, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) is director of the Doctor of Ministry program and associate professor of leadership and ministry at Denver Seminary. She is the author of Uncharted Leadership: 20 Case Studies to Help Ministry Leaders Adapt to Uncertainty and I Am a Leader: When Women Discover the Joy of Their Calling. Angie has over thirty-five years of leadership experience in church, nonprofit, and higher education ministry. A sportswriter in a previous life, Angie loves running, basketball, humor, and movies. She and her pastor-husband live in Denver. They have two grown sons and one very spoiled beagle.

📙 Link to Beyond Church and Parachurch: From Competition to Missional Extension

https://www.ivpress.com/beyond-church-and-parachurch

Takeaways

• The book is a culmination of a seven to nine year journey in ministry.
• Angie had an 'aha' moment questioning traditional church leadership models.
• The pandemic accelerated questions about the future of church and ministry.
• Church and parachurch are loaded terms with various interpretations.
• The local church is often seen as a building, while parachurch refers to Christian ministries outside of it.
• Historical context shows that ministry has always existed outside of local church structures.
• The definition of church should include both local and global perspectives.
• Embodiment in community is crucial for spiritual formation.
• Technology can aid in ministry but should not replace embodied experiences.
• Parachurch organizations can serve as missional extensions of the church. Open-handedness is crucial for effective collaboration.
• Churches and parachurch organizations need to recognize their interdependence.
• There are many campuses without a gospel

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Poetry and Faith

02:57 The Value of a Liberal Education

05:54 The Role of Poetry in Society

09:02 Scott Karens' Poetic Journey

11:49 The Intersection of Poetry and Spirituality

14:49 Creative Process and Writing Routine

18:08 Influences and Community in Poetry

21:01 The Role of Mentorship in Artistic Growth

24:09 Faith and the Poet's Vocation

30:00 Conclusion and Reflections on Art and Prayer

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John D. Wilsey is professor of church history and chair of the Department of Church History and Historical Theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He is also a research fellow with the Center for Religion, Culture, and Democracy. His publications include American Exceptionalism and Civil Religion: Reassessing the History of an Idea, God’s Cold Warrior: The Life and Faith of John Foster Dulles, and Religious Freedom: A Conservative Primer.

Chapters

00:00 Exploring Conservatism Beyond Politics

05:07 The Role of Tradition in Conservatism

11:18 Aspirational Conservatism Explained

19:24 Key Figures in Conservative Thought

39:27 The Conservative Imagination and Inner Life

46:26 Religious Freedom and Its Importance

Takeaways

• Conservatism is more than just politics; it's a worldview.
• Tradition plays a crucial role in understanding conservatism.
• Aspirational conservatism seeks to align with transcendent values.
• Key figures like Burke, Kirk, and Virick shape conservative thought.
• The conservative imagination informs our inner life and values.
• Religious freedom is essential for a flourishing society.
• Conservatives should advocate for the rights of all, including minorities.
• History is a vital aspect of the Christian faith and conservatism.
• Conservatives must manage change rather than resist it.
• The relationship between freedom and responsibility is fundamental.

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The podcast also highlights various books that can aid in this transition and the necessity of community support for maintaining faith post-college. In this conversation, Byron discusses the importance of balancing vocation and rest, the beauty of nature as explored through literature, and the need for community engagement in environmental care. They highlight books that inspire readers to appreciate creation, engage in ecological restoration, and reflect on personal narratives through memoirs. The discussion emphasizes the interconnectedness of faith, nature, and personal growth, encouraging listeners to explore these themes in their own lives.

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List of books:

1. After College by Erica Young Reitz (2025, InterVarsity Press)
2. Serious Dreams: Bold Ideas for the Rest of Your Life edited by Byron Borger (2015, Square Halo Books)
3. The Call: Finding and Fulfilling God's Purpose for Your Life by Os Guinness (2003, Thomas Nelson)
4. Visions of Vocation: Common Grace for the Common Good by Steven Garber (2014, IVP Books)
5. Why Your Work Matters: How God Uses Our Everyday Vocations to Transform Us, Our Neighbors, and the World by Tom Nelson (2025, Made to Flourish)
6. Every Good Endeavor: Connecting Your Work to God's Work by Timothy Keller and Katherine Leary Alsdorf (2012, Dutton)
7. The Sacredness of Secular Work: Four Ways Your Job Matters for Eternity by Jordan Raynor (2025, WaterBrook)
8. Go Forth: God's Purpose for Your Work by Redeemer City to City (2025, Redeemer City to City)
9. Birds in the Sky and Fish in the Sea by Matthew Dickerson (2025, Square Halo Books)
10. Refugee of Faith: Seeking Hidden Shelters, Ordinary Wonders, and the Healing of the Earth by Deborah Rienstra (2025, Fortress Press)
11. Backpacking with the Saints: Wilderness Hiking as a Spiritual Practice by Belden Lane (2015, Oxford University Press)
12. Reconciliation in a Michigan Watershed: Restoring Kenoshae by Gail Hefner and David Warners (2025, Michigan State University Press)
13. Beyond Stewardship: New Approaches to Creation Care edited by David Warners (2025, Calvin College Press)
14. The Beauty of Dusk: On Vision Lost and Found by Frank Bruni (2022, Avid Reader Press)
15. Mr. Oweita's Guide to Gardening: How I Learned the Unexpected Joy of a Green Thumb and an Open Heart by Carol Wall (2014, G.P. Putnam's Sons)
16. God Struck: Seven Women and Their Religious Conversions by Kelsey Osgood (2025, HarperOne)

Chapters:

00:00 The Embodied Experience of Reading

04:29 Seasonal Reading and the Church Calendar

09:54 Navigating Work and Faith

16:50 Books for Transitioning Graduates

24:13 The Importance of Community in Transition

27:04 The Balance of Work and Rest

28:01 Explorin

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In this episode of the UpWords Podcast, hosts Daniel Johnson, Bruce Herman, and Mia Chung-Yee explore the profound connections between creativity, faith, and the arts. They discuss the legacy of composers like J.S. Bach and Mendelssohn, the personal journeys of the speakers in their artistic expressions, and the evolving role of music and art in spiritual and community life. The conversation emphasizes the importance of integrating art into worship and the discipline required in artistic practice, ultimately highlighting the shared human experience through creativity.

The speakers explore the intersection of faith, art, and academia, emphasizing the importance of grounding transcendence in reality. They discuss the role of discipline in worship and art, the challenges faced within the modern academy, and the tension between artistic expression and academic expectations. The conversation highlights the need for a holistic approach to education that embraces both the arts and sciences, encouraging young artists to integrate their faith into their creative endeavors while remaining humble and committed to their craft.

Host:

• Daniel Johnson

Guests:

• Bruce Herman: Painter, writer, and speaker
• Mia Chung-Yee: Concert pianist, music professor, and executive director of the Octet Collaborative at MIT

Guest Backgrounds:

Mia Chung-Yee:

• Internationally known concert pianist
• Founder and executive director of the Octet Collaborative, a Christian Study Center at MIT
• Winner of the Concert Artists Guild Competition (1993)
• Recipient of the Avery Fisher Career Grant (1997)
• Educational background: Bachelor's degree from Harvard College, Master's degree from Yale University, PhD from the Juilliard School
• Former Professor of Music and Artist in Residence at Gordon College (1991-2011)
• Current Professor of Musical Studies at the Curtis Institute of Music

Bruce Herman:

• Painter, writer, and speaker
• Art exhibited in over 150 national and international exhibitions
• Collections include the Vatican Museum of Modern Religious Art in Rome and various museums in the United States and Canada
• Nearly four decades of teaching at Gordon College, founding chair of the Art Department
• Educational background: BFA and MFA degrees from Boston University College of Fine Arts

Key Topics Discussed:

• The role of Christian faith in the arts and academia
• The intersection of faith and creativity in the marketplace
• Personal journeys and career highlights of Bruce Herman and Mia Chung-Yee
• Insights into the Octet Collaborative and its mission at MIT
• Reflections on the impact of faith on artistic expression and professional development
• The legacy of composers like J.S. Bach and Mendelssohn
• The evolving role of music and art in spiritual and community life
• The importan

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In this engaging keynote address, the Vanessa McDowell-Atlas reflects on her return to her community and shares powerful experiences from her involvement in a nationwide initiative to encourage voting through music. She highlights the challenges faced at polling locations, particularly in predominantly white spaces, and connects these experiences to broader social issues affecting marginalized communities. The McDowell-Atlas emphasizes the importance of positioning oneself for action, staying connected to faith, and actively participating in the fight for justice. She calls on individuals to take responsibility and get involved in their communities, urging everyone to 'get on your post' and make a difference.

Vanessa McDowell-Atlas is a transformative leader, entrepreneur, and racial justice advocate with a passion for empowering marginalized communities. She made history as the first Black woman CEO of YWCA Madison, leading the organization through transformative growth, equitable initiatives, and the pandemic without layoffs. She is the founder of Madison Roots, LLC, dedicated to building generational wealth through Black homeownership, and VMA Entertainment and Consulting, LLC, offering DJ services and transformational leadership coaching for leaders of color and women. Currently serving as COO of Black Girl Ventures, Vanessa drives inclusive leadership and operational excellence. A recipient of the 2022 MLK Jr. Humanitarian Award, she holds a Sociology degree from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and serves on its Board of Visitors. Vanessa resides in Charlotte, NC, with her husband.

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Today's episode features Dr. Christine Jeske's insightful talk from the Kingdom Justice Summit, hosted in partnership with the Collaboration Project at Upper House. Dr. Jeske, a professor of cultural anthropology at Wheaton College and author of several books, shares her extensive research on race, work, faith, and the good life. Her upcoming book, Racial Justice for the Long Haul, delves into how white Christians can develop long-term commitments to racial justice.

With a decade of experience living in Nicaragua, China, and South Africa, Dr. Jeske brings a unique perspective to her work. Now residing in an old Wisconsin farmhouse named the Sanctuary, she continues to inspire through her writing and speaking.

Tune in to hear Dr. Jeske's compelling insights and join us in this meaningful conversation on justice and faith.

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Our guest, Karen Swallow Prior, is a reader, writer, and professor. She is the author of numerous books and has contributed to many other books. She has a monthly column for Religion News Service. Her writing has appeared at Christianity Today, New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, First Things, Vox, Think Christian, The Gospel Coalition, and various other places. She hosted the podcast Jane and Jesus.

Our host, Jean Geran, is a Senior Advisor for Foundation Initiatives at the SL Brown Foundation.

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Our host for this episode is Dan Hummel, Director of the Lumen Center at the SL Brown Foundation.

Our guest is David l. Smith, the director of the Kuyers Institute for Christian Teaching and Learning, coordinator of the De Vries Institute for Global Faculty Development, and professor of education at Calvin University. In 2024, he won Calvin University’s Presidential Award for Exemplary Teaching. He has published extensively on Christian education and the relationship between faith and pedagogy; his books include On Christian Teaching: Practicing Faith in the Classroom, Learning from the Stranger: Christian Faith and Cultural Diversity, and Everyday Christian Teaching: A Guide to Practicing Faith in the Classroom.

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Our host for this episode is Dan Hummel, Director of the Lumen Center for the SL Brown Foundation.

Our guest is Kaitlyn Schiess, she is the author of 'The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture has been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here' (Brazos Press, 2023) and 'The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor' (InterVarsity Press, 2020). She has also written for Christianity Today, The New York Times, Christ and Pop Culture, RELEVANT, and Sojourner. Kaitlyn is a co-host of the Holy Post podcast and the host of the podcast Curiously, Kaitlyn, two shows that work to help Christians think well and live faithfully in a pluralistic world. She has a ThM in systematic theology from Dallas Theological Seminary and is currently a doctoral student in political theology at Duke Divinity School.

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This event was recorded over Zoom, in partnership with the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship’s MBA Ministry, on January 21, 2025.

Our host for this episode is John Terrill, executive director of the SL Brown Foundation.

ABOUT OUR GUEST:

Dr. Uli Chi is known for his innovative approach to leadership in business, nonprofits, the theological academy, and the local church. An award-winning tech entrepreneur, he is an in-demand business consultant and holds influential leadership positions, including as board chair of the Virginia Mason Franciscan Health System (Pacific Northwest) and as an advisor to the Benaroya Research Institute and the Virginia Mason Institute, both in Seattle. He chaired the Board of Governors at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada and now serves as Senior Fellow at the De Pree Center for Leadership, where he also writes and shares practical wisdom for the "Life for Leaders" daily devotional. In addition to writing and mentoring, he teaches in Regent College’s Master of Arts in Leadership, Theology, and Society program and at Fuller Seminary’s Doctorate of Global Leadership program.

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Our host is Susan Smetzer-Anderson, she is the Senior Writer and Content Manager for the SL Brown Foundation. 

Our guest for today's podcast is Byron Borger, he is the owner of Hearts and Minds bookstore, and his knowledge of books and their shaping power is truly extraordinary. In this podcast, he shares his recommendations for good reads for the liturgical season of Lent. 

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We explore the complex interplay of religion, identity, and nationalism in India, focusing on the experiences of Hindu and Christian communities. It delves into the historical context of religious conversion, the implications of disinheritance, and the cultural differences in religious practices between India and the United States. The discussion highlights the life of Brahmabandhav Upadhyay, a figure who navigated multiple religious identities amidst the backdrop of Hindu nationalism.

Our host for this episode is Dan Hummel, Director of the Lumen Center for the SL Brown Foundation.

Our guest is Moe Banerjee, an assistant professor of history at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. Moe is a historian of modern South Asia, specializing particularly in the modern period. Her research interests include religion and politics in India, especially the evolution of the concepts of private faith and political identity in the public sphere. Her first book, which we're discussing today, is called The Disinherited Christianity and Conversion in Colonial India, 1813 to 1907, from Harvard University Press. During this episode, we discuss the long history of religion in India, the Christian missionaries that came in the modern period to reshape Indian religion and the religious landscape, the lesser-known story of Christian converts in India, and what those converts say about India today.

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Our host, John Terrill, executive director of the SL Brown Foundation, welcomes Al Erisman and Randy Pope to the podcast.

ABOUT OUR GUESTS:

Al Erisman, PhD, current chair of the Theology of Work Project, former director at The Boeing Company, and co-founder of Ethix magazine, has spent decades exploring the intersection of faith and work. He is a senior fellow at the Center for Faithful Business at Seattle Pacific University and executive in residence emeritus.

Randy Pope, JD, has practiced law since 1979, representing public institutions, such as public school boards. He currently serves as city attorney of Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

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Our host, Jean Geran, is a Senior Advisor for Foundation Initiatives for the SL Brown Foundation.

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Our guest is Anne Snyder, the editor-in-chief of Comment Magazine, host of The Whole Person Revolution podcast, co-editor of Breaking Ground: Charting Our Future in a Pandemic Year, and author of The Fabric of Character: A Wise Giver’s Guide to Renewing Our Social and Moral Landscape.

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In this conversation, Jean and Anne reference Anne's talk at Upper House. Here are 3️⃣ ways to watch or listen to this talk:

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Our host, Susan Smetzer-Anderson, interviews author Jennifer Powell McNutt and discusses her book, 'The Mary We Forgot,' which aims to clarify the misconceptions surrounding Mary Magdalene. We explore her true role in Jesus' ministry, her significance as a witness to the resurrection, and the implications of her healing. Jennifer Powell McNutt is the Franklin S. Dyrness Chair of Biblical and Theological Studies and professor of theology and history of Christianity at Wheaton College. She is an award-winning author, a fellow in the Royal Historical Society, and an ordained teaching elder in the Presbyterian tradition.

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Chi-Ming Chien lives and works in San Francisco’s diverse Bayview/Hunters Point neighborhood. He is a member of Redeemer Community Church, where he leads worship and serves as an elder. He co-founded Dayspring Partners, a digital consultancy envisioned as an experiment in Christian business.

Victor Ho was co-founder & CEO of Fivestars, a FinTech startup focused on helping small businesses that emerged from God’s call to “business as a mission field."

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Chi-Ming Chien lives and works in San Francisco’s diverse Bayview/Hunters Point neighborhood. He is a member of Redeemer Community Church, where he leads worship and serves as an elder. He co-founded Dayspring Partners, a digital consultancy envisioned as an experiment in Christian business.

Victor Ho was co-founder & CEO of Fivestars, a FinTech startup focused on helping small businesses that emerged from God’s call to “business as a mission field."

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Key points

• Theological education is crucial for effective church leadership.
• Finding one's calling involves understanding who you are called to love.
• Good seminary education prepares leaders for long-term ministry.
• The church has lost the sense of the holiness of calling.
• Creating something from scratch shapes leadership skills.
• Building relationships in post-Christian cities takes time and patience.
• Grit is essential for leaders to navigate challenges.
• Mentorship is vital for developing the next generation of leaders.
• Leadership training should be context-specific and adaptable.
• Investing time in young leaders fosters resilience and commitment.

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ABOUT OUR GUEST:

MaryKate Morse was the former Executive Dean of Portland Seminary at George Fox University in Portland, Oregon, and a professor of leadership and spiritual formation. Currently, she is the Lead Mentor in the Doctor of Ministry program in Leadership & Spiritual Formation.

Raised in the Air Force, MaryKate lived in various US states and overseas. She completed her BS in Secondary Education and English Literature at Longwood University in Virginia. With her husband, Randy, and small children, she lived in the Andes Mountains of Bolivia and Peru´ doing ministry and social projects partnering with the Aymará Indians.

Upon return she did a Masters in Biblical Studies and a Master of Divinity at Western Evangelical Seminary (now Portland Seminary). She began teaching, studied spiritual formation and spiritual direction, and was certified as a spiritual director and recorded as a pastor with the Evangelical Friends.

MaryKate completed her doctorate at Gonzaga University where she studied the characteristics of renewal leadership as modeled by Jesus. She continues to explore how the intersection of spiritual formation and effective leadership result in the transformation of individuals and communities especially for evangelists and front-line leaders in diverse cultural environments.

Upon completion of her doctorate she planted two churches and served in various administrative positions at the university including Seminary Associate Dean, Director of Hybrid programs, and University Director of Strategic Planning. She is a spiritual director and leadership mentor and coach, conference and retreat speaker, and author including Making Room for Leadership: Power, Space, and Influence, A Guidebook to Prayer: 24 Ways to Walk with God, and Lifelong Leadership: Woven Together through Mentoring Communities. She is passionate about companioning and resourcing people on the front lines of ministry.

MaryKate is married to Randy and has three adult children, six grandchildren, and a little Aussie, Tess. She enjoys being with family, hiking, reading, and exploring new places.

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Rachel Mickelson (guest) loves to see people, organizations, and communities thrive. Rachel is the Co-Founder and President of Generous Jalopy, a Madison-based nonprofit that brokers transportation solutions for people working with their nonprofit partners to stabilize employment, housing, and livelihood. Rachel is also an Enterprise Program Manager with the Strategic Development group at Insperity, where she drives innovation to help businesses succeed so communities prosper. For 19 years, Rachel has partnered with nonprofits, churches, and businesses to navigate change, foster innovation, and build effective leadership, strategy, and operational models. Rachel holds a M.A. in organizational leadership from Crown College and serves as the Redemptive Entrepreneurship Labs lead for the Madison, WI ecosystem.

John Terrill (host) is the Executive Director of the Stephen & Laurel Brown Foundation, managing Upper House, Dottie’s Ranch, and various initiatives. Previously, he directed the Center for Faithful Business at Seattle Pacific University and worked with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship/USA. John's early career includes consulting with the Hay Group and lending at Bank of America. He holds degrees from Indiana University, the Kellogg School of Management, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. from Seattle Pacific University. John chairs the boards of Religion News Service and Science for the Church.

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Be sure to order your Advent readings through Hearts and Minds bookstore:

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🎄List of books in the order they appear:

📙 Advent by Fleming Rutledge (Eerdmans, 2018)

📙 Advent: The Season of Hope by Tish Harrison Warren (InterVarsity Press, 2023)

📙 Christmas by Emily Hunter McGowan (InterVarsity Press, 2023)

📙 Epiphany: The Season of Glory by Fleming Rutledge (InterVarsity Press, 2023)

📙 The Liturgy of the Ordinary by Tish Harrison Warren (InterVarsity Press, 2016)

📙 Prayer in the Night by Tish Harrison Warren (InterVarsity Press, 2021)

📙 The Advent of Justice by Brian Walsh, Sylvia Keesmaat, Mark Vander Vennen, and Richard Middleton (Wipf and Stock, 1996)

📙 Rejoice! Advent in All the Scriptures by Christopher Wright and John Stott (InterVarsity Press, 2019)

📙 Watch for the Light: Readings for Advent and Christmas by various authors (Plough Publishing House, 2001)

📙 Waiting on the Word: A Poem a Day for Advent, Christmas and Epiphany by Malcolm Guite (Canterbury Press, 2015)

📙 A Radiant Birth: Advent Readings for a Bright Season edited by Leslie Leyland Fields and Paul Willis (InterVarsity Press, 2023)

📙 O Come, O Come, Emmanuel: A Liturgy for Daily Worship from Advent to Epiphany by Jonathan Gibson (Crossway, 2023)

📙 The First Advent in Palestine by Kelley Nikondeha (Broadleaf Books, 2020)

📙 All Creation Waits: The Advent Mystery of New Beginnings by Gayle Boss (Paraclete Press, 2016)

📙 Glad and Golden Hours: A Companion for Easter and Christmastime by Lanier Ivester and Jennifer Trafton (Rabbit Room Press, 2023)

📙 The Christmas Promise by Alison Mitchell (The Good Book Company, 2014)

📙 Birth of the Chosen One: A First Nations Retelling of the Christmas Story by Terry Wildman (InterVarsity Press, 2021)

📙 The King of Christmas by Todd Haynes (Lexham Press, 2022)

📙 Lullaby for the King by Nikki Grimes (Beaming Books, 2023)

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🔗 Links to Justin McRoberts' work:

https://www.justinmcroberts.com/

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🔗 Links to Michael Wear's books

📙 The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public Life

https://www.christianbook.com/spirit-politics-spiritual-formation-renovation-public/9780310367192/pd/367191?event=ESRCG%7CPSEN

📕 Reclaiming Hope: Lessons Learned in the Obama White House About the Future of Faith in America

https://faithgateway.com/products/reclaiming-hope-lessons-learned-in-the-obama-white-house-about-the-future-of-faith-in-america-1?variant=33623767908488

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👨‍🏫 John references Ed's visit to Upper House this summer, where he moderated a conversation with John Inazu.

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🖥️ Watch on YouTube

https://youtu.be/Syxpc60hMs8

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🔗 to the previous conversation on The UpWords Podcast

https://player.captivate.fm/episode/e983f17a-9932-4d77-99ce-4798e78a5a0c/

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We encourage you to purchase your books from Hearts and Minds bookstore!

https://www.heartsandmindsbooks.com

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📕 Books mentioned in this podcast (in order)

The Flourishing Teacher: Vocational Renewal for a Sacred Profession by Christina Bieber Lake (IV Press, 2024)

https://www.ivpress.com/the-flourishing-teacher

Habits of Hope: Educational Practices for a Weary World

Edited by Todd C. Ream, Jerry Pattengale, and Christopher J. Devers (IV Press, 2024)

https://www.ivpress.com/habits-of-hope

Dreaming Dreams for Christian Higher Education by David Guthrie (Fall City Press, 2020)

https://www.fallscitypress.com/product-page/dreaming-dreams

Refugia Faith: Seeking Hidden Shelters, Ordinary Wonders, and the Healing of the Earth by Debra Rienstra (fortress press, 2024)

https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9781506473796/Refugia-Faith

Reconciliation in a Michigan Watershed: Restoring Ken-O-Sha by Gail Gunst Heffner and David P. Warners (Michigan State University Press, 2024)

https://msupress.org/9781611864939/reconciliation-in-a-michigan-watershed/

Political Visions & Illusions: A Survey & Christian Critique of Contemporary Ideologies by David T. Koyzis (IV Press, 2019)

https://www.ivpress.com/political-visions-illusions

Citizenship Without Illusions: A Christian Guide to Political Engagement by David T. Koyzis (IV Press, 2024)

https://www.ivpress.com/citizenship-without-illusions

The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public Life by Michael R. Wear (Zondervan, 2024)

https://faithgateway.com/produ

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Here are three key takeaways:

🔑 Embrace Pain and Failure: True growth often comes from experiencing pain, grief, and failure. Acknowledging these elements and allowing oneself to learn from mistakes is essential for developing resilience and wisdom in leadership.

🔑 Prioritize Inner Work: Effective leaders don’t just react to change; they engage deeply with their inner selves. This introspection allows for navigating transitions with humility, confidence, and a willingness to be wrong, as emphasized by Edwin Friedman's work.

🔑 Value Community and Rest: Transitioning successfully means recognizing the need for community support and the importance of rest. Michaela O'Donnell's insights on Sabbath as a form of resistance highlight how rest helps leaders resist the rush, foster creativity, and maintain well-being amidst change.

This episode is a powerful exploration of what it means to lead with authenticity and courage in today's fast-paced world. Don't miss out on this inspiring discussion—tune in to the UpWords podcast and embark on your journey of becoming a more grounded and effective leader.

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https://michaelaodonnell.com

https://thehxcollective.com/speaker/lisa-slayton/

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📖 Read more about Rebecca DeYoung = https://calvin.edu/people/rebecca-konyndyk-deyoung

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🔗 To the = Dallas A. Willard Lecture: Making Sense of Your (Whole) Moral Self on October 4 @ Upper House https://upperhouse.app.neoncrm.com/np/clients/upperhouse/eventRegistration.jsp?event=264&

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🖥️ YouTube link = https://youtu.be/GMdOHnxBQ6A?si=XG0Pd7jqk4y8kw1U

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🔗 Paul's new book = https://www.paulemoryputz.com/

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🔗 Links to episode one:

YouTube = https://youtu.be/lrp6LuR056M?si=e2dCJTYSsxzUTPQd

Apple podcasts = https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-upwords-podcast/id1537044590?i=1000655399036

Spotify = https://open.spotify.com/episode/0H8OOco9Wo7T69Xh1df2rO?si=13dae89c52c842bb

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John Dyer's website = https://j.hn/

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📖 Check out John Dyer's books:

➡️ From the Garden to the City: The Place of Technology in the Story of God Revised Addition (Kregel Publications, 2022) https://a.co/d/00E30HKX

➡️ People of the Screen: How Evangelicals Created the Digital Bible and How It Shapes Their Reading of Scripture (Oxford University Press, 2022) https://a.co/d/07vU8bNp

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📖 Books mentioned in the podcast:

• Imagining Our Neighbors as Ourselves: How Art Shapes Empathy by Mary W. McCampbell (Fortress Press, 2022)
• The Scandal of Holiness: Renewing Your Imagination in the Company of Literary Saints by Jessica Hooten Wilson (Brazos Press, 2022)
• Reading for the Love of God: How to Read as a Spiritual Practice by Jessica Hooten Wilson (Brazos Press, 2023)
• Nourishing Narratives: The Power of Story to Shape Our Faith by Jennifer L. Holberg (IVP Academic)
• Deep Reading: Practices to Subvert the Vices of Our Distracted, Hostile, and Consumeristic Ageby Rachel B. Griffis, Julie Ooms, Rachel M. De Smith Roberts (Baker Academic, 2024)
• Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith That Breathes by Wesley Vander Lugt (Eerdmans, 2024)
• Visions of Vocation: Common Grace for the Common Good by Steven Garber (IVP, 2014)
• The Beautiful Madness of Martin Bonham: A Tale About Loving God by Robert Hudson (Self Published, 2023) 

 🎙️Byron’s podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/three-books-for-hearts-and-minds-podcast/id1718813591

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Journey with me as we relive the moments that shaped our semester of ministry and discuss what it means to Love your neighbor as yourself. This is one of Jesus's most well-known teachings. But it begs the question, who is my neighbor? 

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Pillars: How Muslim Friends Led Me Closer to Jesus

📕 link = https://a.co/d/e51Lyw0

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Chapters:

03:31 Book emphasizes living as a Christian worker.

09:16 Recruited by the local business owner, developed a love for the city.

11:58 Felt compelled to navigate faith and work.

13:41 Faith at work movement reacts against evangelicalism.

16:54 Favorable chapter discusses two vs four-part gospel.

20:05 Church mission: conversion and participation in transformation.

24:26 Christians can bring redemption beyond sharing faith.

29:19 Finding purpose in Christian calling beyond career.

31:57 Values of work and vocation: God in us.

34:10 Daily tasks provide an invitation to God's love.

38:42 Finding rest and delight in work life.

41:20 Mutual intimidation, humble collaboration, and the ecosystem.

45:59 "Workplace diversity crucial for collaboration and understanding."

47:27 COVID revealed a reevaluation of the relationship to work.

49:58 Expresses gratitude for the invitation.

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🔗 Links 

https://www.bethel.edu/academics/faculty/john-dunne

https://www.thetwocities.com

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⛪️ Aaron's work = https://www.missioncentral.ca/profile/aaron-white

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🏫 Course = https://infinitumlife.teachable.com/p/creative-way-down-surrender

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BioLogos Website

Loving My Neighbor in a Technological World Article Online

The Sacred Chain: How Understanding Evolution Leads to Deeper Faith (HarperOne, 2024) https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-sacred-chain-james-stump?variant=41080666587170

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We dive deep into the roots of American Christianity's engagement with social and labor issues. Janine brings her expertise in US labor, working-class history, and American religious history to explore the complex interplay between faith and the fight for social justice in the early 20th century.

We'll uncover the surprising cohesion between Roman Catholics, the social gospel movement, and Protestants as they navigated the intersections of Christianity with capitalism, advocating for unions, fair wages, and the end of child labor. Our journey includes a look into the past with the socialist ideals thriving in working-class churches, challenging the mainstream Protestant denominates, and shifting the landscape of labor movements.

Our discussion takes a turn towards the impact of such dynamics during the tumultuous era of World War I and the Great Steel Strike of 1919, drawing parallels that resonate with social movements a century later. As we peel back the layers of history, Janine not only educates us on the conservative stance of the social gospel compared to the grassroots movements of the time but also reflects on the contemporary Christian community's engagement with similar debates.

So, whether you're a history buff, a seeker of spiritual depth, or someone interested in the social threads that knit our society together, this episode promises insights and revelations. We explore the tangible effects of historical conflicts on today's faith and labor conversations and consider whether we can still see the imprint of these early 20th-century struggles in our present day.

Join us as we journey through time with Janine Giordano Drake, unraveling the story of how the social gospel moved beyond church walls and into the world of labor and social reform. 

Check out Janine Giordano Drake’s book, The Gospel of Church: How Mainline Protestants Vilified Christian Socialism and Fractured the Labor Movement = https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-gospel-of-church-9780197614303?cc=us&lang=en&

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Steve’s 40 years of experience speak to questions that often weigh on marketplace professionals and pastors: What does a corporate chaplain actually do? How might faith, empathy, and corporate responsibility intersect and benefit both employees and business? What goes into building a corporate culture that elevates compassion, ethics, and trust? 

Tune in for Steve’s answers, and look below for some of his guiding principles. 

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Link to the St. Martin of Tours story (see page 5): http://www.preciousheart.net/chaplaincy/Chaplain-Etymology.pdf

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Principles for Chaplains, “good Samaritans,” and “good neighbors” to follow:

1. Bathe in prayer
2. Be available
3. Do some life together
4. Be patient and be faithful
5. Wait to be invited in
6. Rely on the Holy Spirit
7. Watch God at work! 

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Julie Bolos is a compassionate advocate for the welfare of children in care systems. Her insights into the dynamics between paid caregivers and the children they look after have cemented her reputation as a keen observer and an empathetic voice for the voiceless. Julie understands the delicate emotional balance required in these relationships, recognizing the children's acute awareness of the transactional nature of professional caregiving.

Throughout her career, Julie has unwaveringly pointed out the psychological impact on children who learn to suppress their emotions and negative behaviors to meet the expectations of a system that often rewards compliance over genuine well-being. She passionately argues that every child's needs are unique and require tailored solutions that acknowledge their individuality. Bolos's advocacy work emphasizes the creation of environments where children feel genuinely cared for and allowed to express themselves fully rather than merely adapting to the implicit norms of institutionalized care.

Julie's mission is propelled by a deep understanding of the emotional complexities involved in care systems, and she tirelessly works towards reforms that prioritize each child's individual needs, advocating for a world where their emotional health and personal growth are placed at the forefront of caregiving practices.

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• New Hope Peru = https://donate.newhopeperu.org

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Brent, a visionary in the intersecting worlds of computer science and digital imaging, will take us through the transformative power of digitizing historical texts. Together, we'll delve into the seismic shifts in teaching and career paths brought on by the pervasive reach of computer science into every conceivable field.

Yet, as we embrace the advancements of the digital age, Brent doesn't shy away from addressing its darker side—particularly the tangible consequences that rapid tech adoption can have on society's younger generation via social media's expansive influence.

We explore Brent's unique trajectory from a music student to a luminary in computer science—a journey shaped by the orchestral strands of a music teacher's advice and the reverberating chords of curiosity and faith. We'll uncover how his work at the University of Kentucky intersects with unlocking the secrets of ancient artifacts and contributes to our collective understanding of cultural heritage.

From discussions on AI's ethical quandaries to the evocative narratives of science fiction that mirror our technological quests, Brent's insights promise to both challenge and inspire.

So tune in as we unravel the threads of Brent Seales' story—a tapestry woven from the codes of the past and the pixels of the future—right here on the UpWords podcast.

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Scott shares insights from his art, which strays from the trodden path of traditional Christmas illustrations while reflecting on the deeply spiritual encounter with the biological miracle of childbirth. Through his work, Scott seeks to bridge the distance between our societal aversion to vulnerability and the need to embrace our tender hearts for deep understanding.

Together, we'll unpack why Jesus’s embodiment as a human requires us not only to reflect but also to engage physically through practices like pilgrimage. Scott's transformative art and stories urge us to consider Jesus's incarnation not just as a historical event, but as an ever-present reality. And as Scott will reveal, our journey with Christ also means apprenticeship to our own mortality.

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Scott Erickson is an artist, author, performance speaker, and creative curator who mixes autobiography, mythology, and aesthetics to create art and moments that speak to our most profound experiences.

Using his passion and commitment to craft, Scott has been a working artist for over a decade and has had his work appear on CNN, National Geographic, and various magazines, newspaper outlets, and book covers.

He is the co-author of Prayer: Forty Days of Practice and May It Be So, the author of Honest Advent and Say Yes.

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Marjorie Thompson has charted an unconventional path within her career, guided not by the traditional role of parish ministry but by a profound calling toward retreat work, teaching, and writing in the field of spiritual formation. Her journey commenced in Connecticut, where she initially served in a parish for four years, an experience that no doubt laid important groundwork for her later endeavors.

Seeking a deeper, more personal vocation, Marjorie and her husband bid farewell to his Connecticut roots, setting a new course for Nashville. It was here that Marjorie truly began carving out her niche, focusing on the transformative aspects of retreats and education in spirituality. She credits much of her insight into spiritual formation to the influential mentorship of Henry Nowan, who played a pivotal role in shaping her perspective and approach in this domain.

Marjorie's story is one of listening to her inner voice and having the courage to pursue her true calling, resulting in a ministry of a different kind—a testament to the varied and personal journeys that those called to serve may take.

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00:00 "Caregiver conversation with Marjorie Thompson, ordained minister"

06:18 Mother and stepdad needed care; building new home.

09:53 Physical challenges of caregiving for elderly and disabled.

11:25 Grateful for shared strength in caregiving challenges.

14:40 Feeling divine strength in moments of need.

18:22 Calmly explaining fire after her misinterpretation.

21:58 Caring for husband with Parkinson's, finding appreciation.

24:37 Appreciation, care, and recognition in changing relationships.

28:56 Beautiful story inspires empathy and self-reflection.

31:44 Caring and compassion: entering into others' suffering.

36:47 Deacons support community for disabled man.

40:18 Insight into parents dealing with medical issues.

41:20 Finding strength through caregiving in difficult times.

46:35 Carry God's presence, bless and love others.

48:39 Grounding through touch, breath, and simple actions.

54:36 Admit needs, be there, ask for help.

56:01 Grateful for support and caregiving resources available.

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J. Richard Middleton is a professor of Biblical Worldview and Exegesis at Northeastern Seminary and an adjunct professor of Theology at Roberts Wesleyan College, both in Rochester, New York. He is widely published in religious journals and is the author of four books, including Abraham’s Silence: The Binding of Isaac, the Suffering of Job, and How to Talk Back to God, and A New Heaven and a New Earth: Reclaiming Biblical Eschatology.

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00:00 Struggle with silence brings unexpected amusement.

07:28 Father and son head to sacrifice, and the angel intervenes.

14:02 Abraham's faith was tested, and love for his son was questioned.

19:24 Abraham believes God will provide sacrifice.

25:35 Abraham's journey from paganism to faith.

29:55 Abraham fails the test, new test: son sacrificed.

36:23 Servant finds wife, Isaac deceived, blessings given.

40:07 Genesis 18's misunderstood invitation leads to change.

48:17 Psalm 32: acknowledgment of sin, physical waste.

52:00 Various lament psalms serve as confessions of sin in our church.

56:02 Silence toward God affects life's moral implications.

01:02:35 Why harm him? Is your promise forgotten?

01:04:54 God affirms servant, desires mercy and knowledge.

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00:00:38 Intro

00:05:24 Israel is a light to other nations.

00:06:54 God's covenant, church's global witness, Christianity and democracy.

00:10:54 Christians seeking prophetic distance from political parties.

00:15:31 Community collaboration to address societal challenges effectively.

00:17:58 Church involvement in politics for informed decision-making.

00:21:18 Lack of nonpartisan participation in politics explained.

00:27:45 Gen Z, takes an active and informed role in politics.

00:31:22 University officials help students navigate societal issues.

Credits: Music by The David Roy Collective, audio engineering by Jesse Koopman, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.

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We hosted Marianne here at Upper House on October 21st for a lecture and collage workshop where she shared more about her heart for taking old things and making them beautiful. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel @UpperHouseUW to see this video when it drops, as well as many others you may enjoy.

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Before joining Upper House, Brian served at evangelical churches and schools as a communications or creative arts director and has also been a production director and audio producer for advertising agencies and parachurch organizations. A unique highlight of his career was when he and his family spent five years living in Seoul, South Korea, while working at an international school comprised of students from over 65 nations.

Brian grew up in New Jersey and earned a degree in communications from Messiah College (now Messiah University). He and his wife Kirstan are the proud parents of their daughter Davis, son Webb, and M.J. the Aussiedoodle. In his free time, Brian enjoys playing pickleball, discovering new restaurants, and perfecting his favorite Shakshuka recipe. 

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Aubrey earned her Ph.D. from Emory University, where she was a recipient of the George W. Woodruff Fellowship; her MA in Biblical Exegesis from Wheaton College; and a BM in Voice with Elective studies in English Literature, also from Wheaton College. She is the author of Remembering the Story of Israel: Historical Summaries and Memory Formation in Second Temple Judaism.

We are hosting Aubrey at Upper House as part of our lecture series on Friday, October 6th from 7:00 pm - 9:30 pm where she will be exploring Why the Old Testament is so Difficult to Read.

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Daniel Silliman has been the news editor for Christianity Today since 2019 and is the author of “Reading Evangelicals: How Christian Fiction Shaped a Culture and a Faith.” Before starting at CT, Daniel spent several years as a crime reporter outside Atlanta. He has a PhD in American Studies from Heidelberg University. 

For more UpWords on the topic of journalism & faith, check out the episode we did a few months ago with Bob Smietana.

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This is the second conversation in our series on Christian traditions, with the aim of growing in understanding and shared vision for the Christian presence on the UW campus and in Madison. We launched a few months ago with “Anglicanism,” talking to Father Scott Cunningham of Christ Church in Madison.  

Chris Ganski is the founding pastor of City Reformed Church. He earned a PhD in Theology from Marquette University and has an MDiv from Princeton Theological Seminary.

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Our Senior Writer, Susan Smetzer-Anderson, sits down with Annie to talk about her life, advocacy work, and Upper House’s upcoming event on August 10th: “Accessibility in the Church: An Honest Conversation” where she is a keynote speaker. Check out upperhouse.org/events to register. 

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In our conversation off-mic, Janel shared about a passion project she’s been working on: the history of women in the ASA. Our producer, Jesse Koopman, was intrigued and invited her to share in another conversation about it here.  

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