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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are BCBAs graduating clients... or just keeping them in services? This week on Pairing Gone Wrong, we're asking one of the toughest questions in ABA: Are we truly preparing clients for independence, or has the system created incentives to keep services going longer than necessary? We dive into fading plans, generalization, clinic versus natural environments, and what it really means to put the client's best interest first. Expect an honest conversation that challenges assumptions, not clinici...]]></itunes:summary>
    <description><![CDATA[<p><b>Are BCBAs graduating clients... or just keeping them in services?</b> This week on <em>Pairing Gone Wrong</em>, we&apos;re asking one of the toughest questions in ABA: Are we truly preparing clients for independence, or has the system created incentives to keep services going longer than necessary? We dive into fading plans, generalization, clinic versus natural environments, and what it really means to put the client&apos;s best interest first. Expect an honest conversation that challenges assumptions, not clinicians.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2600970/fan_mail/new">Tell us your thoughts! </a></p>]]></description>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pairing Gone Wrong, we’re unpacking the classic ABA glow-up: BT today, supervisor tomorrow, BCBA by Friday, CEO by next fiscal quarter. ABA loves to push passionate people into leadership and ownership, but somehow forgets to teach them how to actually lead, manage conflict, build systems, understand business, supervise ethically, or run an organization without surviving purely on caffeine, crisis, and vibes. We’re talking about how being great with clients does not automat...]]></itunes:summary>
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    <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Pairing Gone Wrong</em>, we’re unpacking the classic ABA glow-up: BT today, supervisor tomorrow, BCBA by Friday, CEO by next fiscal quarter. ABA loves to push passionate people into leadership and ownership, but somehow forgets to teach them how to actually lead, manage conflict, build systems, understand business, supervise ethically, or run an organization without surviving purely on caffeine, crisis, and vibes. We’re talking about how being great with clients does not automatically mean you’re ready to lead a team or open a company, and why the field needs to stop confusing clinical talent with leadership readiness. Growth is great. Unsupported promotions disguised as “opportunities”? Pairing gone wrong.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2600970/fan_mail/new">Tell us your thoughts! </a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This week on Pairing Gone Wrong, we’re talking about weaponizing ethics and the messy reality of people using the Code to intimidate, control, or “win” instead of protect. We break down the difference between actual ethical violations and the workplace drama people love to dress up as one. If you’ve ever heard “that’s unethical” and thought, or maybe you’re just mad, this one’s for you.  Tell us your thoughts!  ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:title>Episode 2 Actively Disengaged? It&#39;s your fault</itunes:title>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This week on Pairing Gone Wrong, we’re talking about actively disengaged employees and the leadership delusion that somehow staff just woke up one day and chose chaos. Spoiler: disengagement usually has receipts. We’re getting into how BCBA leaders contribute to burnout, resentment, and low morale, and why accountability cannot just be for the team when BCBAs helped build the culture in the first place.  Tell us your thoughts!  ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:title>Episode 1 Private Equity ABA Villain or Expanding care? </itunes:title>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, we will be discussing private equity and who the real villain is.  Is it them?  Is it Us?  Or are we all just trying to make an impact and do better?    *Remember, don't take us seriously, we are just here to stir the pot* Tell us your thoughts!  ]]></itunes:summary>
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