Curiouser & Curiouser Mon, 18 May 2026 15:32:19 -0600 https://www.buzzsprout.com/2589485 en-us © 2026 Curiouser & Curiouser yes 502a6059-3a4c-564e-a53d-ee274f76b372 curiouser@alice.io Alice episodic false Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.


Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.


Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.


We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.


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]]> Buzzsprout (https://www.buzzsprout.com) Alice curiouser@alice.io https://storage.buzzsprout.com/olwiav4abs0qelh65zkdeqmr5atx?.jpg Curiouser & Curiouser Mo Sadek The Problem With AI Observability Nobody Wants To Admit The Problem With AI Observability Nobody Wants To Admit In this episode of Curiouser & Curiouser, Mo sits down with Alison Cossette, Founder and CEO of ClariTrace, to talk about why your enterprise AI is moving faster than your visibility into it and what to actually do about it. They get into control native AI, why observability and traceability aren't optional anymore, and what leaders need to put in place before something goes wrong.

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]]> In this episode of Curiouser & Curiouser, Mo sits down with Alison Cossette, Founder and CEO of ClariTrace, to talk about why your enterprise AI is moving faster than your visibility into it and what to actually do about it. They get into control native AI, why observability and traceability aren't optional anymore, and what leaders need to put in place before something goes wrong.

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]]> https://alice.io/podcast Alice Buzzsprout-19198016 Mon, 18 May 2026 15:00:00 -0600 3241 AI Security, Agentic AI, AI Governance, AI Guardrails, Enterprise AI, Responsible AI 1 8 full false What Does It Actually Take to Build Unbiased AI? What Does It Actually Take to Build Unbiased AI? Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this episode, Mo and Tennisha get into AI bias, why the systems being built today are only as good as the people building them, and what it actually takes to break into a field that wasn't designed for everyone.

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]]> Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this episode, Mo and Tennisha get into AI bias, why the systems being built today are only as good as the people building them, and what it actually takes to break into a field that wasn't designed for everyone.

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]]> https://alice.io/podcast Alice Buzzsprout-19105133 Mon, 04 May 2026 10:00:00 -0600 3325 AI Security, Cybersecurity, AI Bias, BlackGirlsHack, Women in Cybersecurity, AI Ethics 1 7 full false AI Governance Needs a Dungeon Master AI Governance Needs a Dungeon Master David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think. 

Mo and David get into red teaming, what good metrics look like in a probabilistic system, why you should probably stop measuring AI and start measuring outcomes, and what we actually owe the workers whose roles are being quietly restructured. 

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]]> David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think. 

Mo and David get into red teaming, what good metrics look like in a probabilistic system, why you should probably stop measuring AI and start measuring outcomes, and what we actually owe the workers whose roles are being quietly restructured. 

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]]> https://alice.io/podcast Alice Buzzsprout-19047101 Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:00:00 -0600 3378 AI governance, Dungeons and Dragons, AI security, red teaming, AI literacy 1 6 full false David Wendt Mo Sadek Your LLM Has No Idea What It's Doing Your LLM Has No Idea What It's Doing Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you already knew you had, and why misplaced trust in these systems is the real vulnerability. 

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]]> Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you already knew you had, and why misplaced trust in these systems is the real vulnerability. 

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]]> Alice Buzzsprout-18919125 Mon, 06 Apr 2026 04:00:00 -0600 2871 Agentic AI, GenAI, AI Security, AI Governance 1 5 full false Diana Kelley Mo Sadek Resilience by Design: Inside Estonia's Digital Nation Resilience by Design: Inside Estonia's Digital Nation Most countries talk about digital trust. Estonia built it into the architecture.

Joseph Carson, Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, has spent 23 years living through Estonia's digital transformation from the inside. In this episode, he and Mo get into what it actually takes to engineer trust at a national scale, what went wrong along the way, and why the lessons from a small Baltic nation matter more than ever right now.

Joseph also previews his talk at RSA Conference 2026, "From Cyber War to a Digital Nation: Estonia's Playbook for Resilience."

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]]> Most countries talk about digital trust. Estonia built it into the architecture.

Joseph Carson, Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, has spent 23 years living through Estonia's digital transformation from the inside. In this episode, he and Mo get into what it actually takes to engineer trust at a national scale, what went wrong along the way, and why the lessons from a small Baltic nation matter more than ever right now.

Joseph also previews his talk at RSA Conference 2026, "From Cyber War to a Digital Nation: Estonia's Playbook for Resilience."

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]]> Alice Buzzsprout-18876201 Thu, 19 Mar 2026 13:00:00 -0600 2780 1 4 full false Joseph Carson Mo Sadek Building AI We Can Actually Trust Building AI We Can Actually Trust AI governance sounds straightforward until you try to actually do it.

In this episode, Mo talks with Laura Powell, Senior Director of Partnerships at LatticeFlow AI, about the messy reality of building AI systems organizations can actually trust. They discuss translating responsible AI principles into technical controls, why many systems never make it into production, and how teams should think about risk as agentic AI systems become more common.

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]]> AI governance sounds straightforward until you try to actually do it.

In this episode, Mo talks with Laura Powell, Senior Director of Partnerships at LatticeFlow AI, about the messy reality of building AI systems organizations can actually trust. They discuss translating responsible AI principles into technical controls, why many systems never make it into production, and how teams should think about risk as agentic AI systems become more common.

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]]> Alice Buzzsprout-18802862 Mon, 09 Mar 2026 06:00:00 -0600 3215 Agentic AI, Gen AI, AI Security, AI Governance 1 3 full false Laura Powell Mo Sadek Securing Agentic AI: The OWASP Approach Securing Agentic AI: The OWASP Approach Agentic AI is moving fast. So are the risks.

Mo talks with Steve Wilson (Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and Founder and Co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project) about OWASP’s approach to agentic AI security, including prompt injection, guardrails, and what it means to keep humans in the loop as agents scale.

🔗 OWASP GenAI Project: https://genai.owasp.org

 📘 The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly): https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-developers-playbook/9781098162191/

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]]> Agentic AI is moving fast. So are the risks.

Mo talks with Steve Wilson (Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and Founder and Co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project) about OWASP’s approach to agentic AI security, including prompt injection, guardrails, and what it means to keep humans in the loop as agents scale.

🔗 OWASP GenAI Project: https://genai.owasp.org

 📘 The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly): https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-developers-playbook/9781098162191/

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]]> https://alice.io/podcast Alice Buzzsprout-18700992 Tue, 24 Feb 2026 07:00:00 -0700 2668 AI security, AI, Gen AI, AI agents, OWASP 1 2 full false Steve Wilson Mo Sadek Making Sense of AI: Trust, Scale, and the Human Role Making Sense of AI: Trust, Scale, and the Human Role AI is moving fast, but good judgment still takes time. In this premiere episode, Mo Sadek and Julie Tsai explore AI, security, and why curiosity and human perspective still matter as technology scales.

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]]> AI is moving fast, but good judgment still takes time. In this premiere episode, Mo Sadek and Julie Tsai explore AI, security, and why curiosity and human perspective still matter as technology scales.

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]]> Buzzsprout-18585201 Tue, 10 Feb 2026 10:00:00 -0700 2801 AI security, AI, Gen AI, cybersecurity 1 1 full false Julie Tsai Mo Sadek