Together, they challenge the traditional view that projects end at go-live and explain why successful delivery depends on planning for support and benefits realisation from day one. Rob breaks down the critical difference between outputs and outcomes and why focusing on the “why” fundamentally changes how projects should be designed, governed, and measured.

 Using real‑world examples, including London’s Thames Tideway “Super Sewer”, this conversation shows how clarity of purpose, strong sponsorship, and outcome‑driven thinking can dramatically improve delivery results.

 If you’re responsible for projects, programs, PMOs, or change initiatives, this episode provides practical, immediately applicable insights into delivering outcomes — not just outputs.