Remember when our biggest question was, "What do I want to be when I grow up?"

Now it's more like, "Who am I? Can I give enough energy to everyone? Do I love the work I’m doing still?”

That's life in The Sandwich Generation!

Between tending to the children, caring for aging parents, building careers, managing households, and trying to keep up with everyday life, it's easy to lose sight of the person underneath all the responsibilities.

In this episode, Robyn and Eliesa sit down with Monica Walch for a conversation that feels like a deep exhale. We talk about raising our kids well in midlife, living our values, simplifying, and giving yourself permission to evolve. Together, they explore why every season asks something different of us, and why we don't have to keep carrying everything we've always carried!

It's funny, thoughtful, and exactly the kind of conversation we all need as we wrap up Season 2!

Because maybe growing older isn't about adding more to your life. Maybe it's about figuring out what you're finally ready to let go of ♡

This episode is proudly sponsored by KISA. Visit kisaofficial.com and use code SANDWICHPOD10 for 10% off a luxury robe that we all deserve in The Sandwich Generation!

Takeaways

• It’s okay to outgrow old versions of yourself.
• Simplifying your life can make room for more joy.
• Living intentionally and aligning with core values can help live a life that feels like you.
• Raising kids later in life comes with its own kind of magic and chaos!
• Food, art, and community have a way of bringing us back to ourselves. We need it more than ever!
• Sleep, rest, and taking care of yourself aren’t luxuries, they’re necessities as we age.
• Your 40s can be less about having it all together and more about figuring out what really matters.

Links + Resources:

Monica’s (Magical) Instagram + Farm Stand

Rick Rubin The Creative Act

Constellation Acupuncture

Nourish Family Wellness

Dutch Test

Dutch Test Podcast

Chapters

00:00 Introductions to Monica Walch

04:20 The Transition from Business to Family Life

05:52 A candid discussion on having kids later in life

07:14 Becoming different versions of ourselves through careers and motherhood

23:54 Intentional Living

28:11 Creating Family Rhythms and Connection

37:04 Finding Health (for real) in Middle Age

42:41 How in the HELL can we find time to meal prep?

49:36 Postpartum or Peri Menopause in our 40’s

01:04:27 Outro

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Eliesa and Robyn sit down with Sarah Longacre and Wendy Brown to share the extraordinary story of Cheryl Hauser, a wife, mother, and advocate whose Alzheimer's diagnosis led her to make a deeply personal end-of-life decision through Voluntarily Stopping Eating and Drinking (VSED).

Cheryl spent her final years documenting her journey, not to tell others what to do, but to encourage families to have honest conversations about end-of-life wishes, autonomy, and what it means to live—and die—with intention. Her story is now featured in the documentary The Cheryl Hauser Effect, helping families around the world navigate some of life's hardest conversations.

Together, we explore Alzheimer's, advance care planning, VSED, caregiving, grief, and the courage it takes to talk openly about death before a crisis forces the conversation.

This episode is thoughtful, emotional, and ultimately hopeful. Whether you're caring for aging parents, facing a difficult diagnosis in your family, or simply wondering how to start talking about end-of-life wishes, Cheryl's story is one you won't soon forget.

Takeaways

• Talking about death is hard, but talking about it matters.
• Knowing someone's wishes is one of the greatest acts of love.
• Every family deserves to understand their end-of-life options.
• Honoring someone's choices can be the hardest - and kindest - thing we do.
• Dignity, joy, and purpose can exist until the very end.
• VSED requires a lot of planning to make sure everyone is emotionally and logistically on board to preserve your loved one’s comfort and dignity through the process. 
• Cheryl Hauser and her story are opening up the conversation about choosing how we die.
• No matter what the right choice is for you, plan the party, invite your people and live your fullest right up until the end. 

Links + Resources:

Cheryl Hauser Effect Website

Compassion and Choices 

Chemin - Wendy Longacre Brown’s end of life doula website and resources

“Choosing to Die” Book by Phyllis Schacter

Minnesota Death Collaborative - a group of integrative death professionals who serve our community in a variety of ways.

Chapters

00:00 Introducing the sisters: Sarah and Wendy

03:53 An Intro to The Cheryl Hauser Effect Documentary

05:51 Who is Cheryl Hauser : A Mother's Legacy

28:30 Shifting Perspectives: Conversations About Mortality

31:08 Medical Aid vs. VSED: Understanding the Options

39:37 When is it time to VSED? How do you know?

44:02 The legalities of choosing VSED - a candid conversation

50:54 Setting the Stage for VSED - What's is really like?

01:06:16 TheCherylHauserEffect.com

01:08:29 Reaction and Final Thoughts from Robyn + Eliesa

It’s a win-win for everyone! 

In this episode, Neal shares all about his caregiving story, practical solutions and hopeful trends that are shaping the future of eldercare in America!

This episode is proudly supported by our friends at Poppins Payroll!

Takeaways

• CareYaya is changing how America Cares for it’s elders. 
• Paying the caregiver directly massively cuts the cost of in home care. 
• The younger generation is actually interested in caregiving - that is hopeful for us all!
• There’s going to be a demographic shift as the baby boomers age. 
• Celebrities are speaking out more - and people in prominent positions about caregiving. Wherever we are feeling ‘lonely’ we realize - wow, this affects us all. 
• Employers + Big companies have the ability to support middle-age employees by offering caregiving support.
• Sandwiched caregivers are doing A LOT. Take time to care for yourself - it’s no joke

Links and Resources:

CareYaya 

Poppins Payroll - the easiest way to pay your in-home employee. (Think in-home caregiver, your nanny or even your gardener!) Whoever keeps your home running smoothly, Poppins Payroll can simplify payroll, filings and taxes! Use code: SANDWICH to receive one month FREE!

Counterforce Health AI Tool - Appeal your Health Insurance denial using this powerful tool! (For real!)

NIH: National Institute on Aging 

Johns Hopkins Caregiving Research

Family Caregiver Alliance - Great resource for Caregiver Support Groups

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Neal Shah

04:49 Innovations in Caregiving: Bridging Gaps and Creating Solutions

07:32 The Care Crisis in America - how can we create change?

11:42 The Role of Technology in Modern Caregiving

14:27 Channeling Guilt into Social Change

18:11 Demographic Trends and the Caregiving Crisis

19:13 Finding Hope

21:41 Supporting Sandwiched Caregivers

24:11 Systemic Changes for Caregiver Support

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Eliesa opens up about the unique reality of being an “only” while caregiving for aging parents, raising a family, managing grief, and carrying the emotional load without siblings to tag in. We’re also joined by Melissa Del Rosario, who shares her deeply personal story of sudden loss, shifting family dynamics, setting boundaries, and learning how to build your village when you don’t automatically have one built in.

Together, we talk about the pros, cons, pressure, freedom, guilt, resilience, and dark humor that come with being an only child caregiver.

If you’re an only child caring for aging parents, navigating family caregiving alone, or trying to survive the chaos of the Sandwich Generation without losing your mind, this episode will make you feel seen, understood, and hopefully laugh a little too.

Because being an only doesn’t mean you’re supposed to do it all alone.

Takeaways

• Only children are superheroes — but you don’t have to carry everything alone.
• Being an Only teaches you independence early. You learn to figure things out yourself.
• That independence can get rocked hard in The Sandwich Generation.
• In a family of three, losing one person changes everything and the whole dynamic shifts.
• Your relationship with a surviving parent often has to be rebuilt after loss. This takes time. 
• Boundaries can feel hard as an Only because you feel responsible for everyone.
• A lot of only children become the emotional center of the family. That’s heavy.
• Our friends often become family when you’re an Only. We learn how to build our own village!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Melissa Del Rosario

02:10 Melissa's Caregiving Story as an Only Child

05:42 Navigating Life and Death Decisions

07:54 The Pressure of Being an Only Child when it's life or death

14:23 Rebuilding Relationships After Loss

16:44 How the Family Dynamic shifts after loss when you are an Only Child

22:29 The Fragility of Codependency

27:28 How do Only Children deal with the guilt?

34:54 Your Friends can be closer than family when you're an Only

40:57 Finding Guidance and Advice when you are an Only

46:41 Empowerment in Independence

48:43 Rethinking Only Child Stereotypes

52:50 Outro

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank welcome nationally acclaimed comedian Susan Rice (@funnyoldbag) for a hilarious, honest, and surprisingly heartfelt conversation about aging, caregiving, self-worth, reinvention, and why it’s never too late to chase your dreams!

Susan shares how she found her groove as a comedian in her seventies, what humor can teach us about resilience, and why getting older might actually be the moment we finally stop giving a fuck what everyone else thinks. 

We talk about finding joy in hard seasons, embracing aging with humor, and learning to laugh (or cry) at the chaos.

If you’re caring for aging parents, feeling burned out in midlife, or just need permission to laugh through the mess, this episode is for you.

Takeaways

• Sometimes the funniest people are carrying the hardest stories.
• It’s never too late to grow into yourself.
• Getting older can bring a surprising sense of freedom.
• Younger generations have so much to learn from older generations, we just need to connect more.
• There’s something powerful about hearing confident women in their 70s speak honestly and loudly.
• Aging doesn’t mean becoming invisible. You still deserve to take up space.
• Humor helps us survive hard things. We always need it.

Links and Resources

Susan Rice Comedy

@ funnyoldbag on Instagram

Susan Rice: Silver Alert - a new special!

Don’t Tell Comedy Shows

Chapters: 

00:00 Introduction to Comedian Susan Rice

01:15 Overcoming Challenges with Humor

12:15 The Resilience of Aging

13:18 Thriving in Your Seventies

15:53 Confidence and Visibility in Aging

21:35 Susan's Caregiving Story

23:43 Women, The World and why we always need Humor

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Robyn and Eliesa sit down with Melissa Stanton and Molly Mogren Katt of Carefree Cottages of Maplewood for a candid (and surprisingly heated + funny) conversation about the realities of assisted living, from both sides of the tour.

We get into the real stuff: the questions families should be asking, how to make sense of the finances, what actually matters beyond the marketing, and how to figure out who you can trust in an industry that can feel wildly overwhelming.

Whether you’re just starting to explore assisted living or already deep in the process, this episode is packed with honest insights, helpful tips, and plenty of laughs along the way.

Disclaimer: We are not lawyers nor do we offer legal advice on this podcast. All information is based out of Minnesota, so check your state to see what programs, waivers and assistance are offered in your area! 

Takeaways

• What are the top 3 questions that families should be asking when touring assisted living communities?
• What is the difference between Private Pay, Elderly and Cadi Waiver programs?
• Think of shopping for assisted living like you’re dating. Are you serious and looking for a long term relationship? What are the qualities you’re looking for? 
• Follow your *senses* 
• What the hell is an Ombudsman? (This person might be your best friend…)
• What are some misconceptions about Assisted Living?
• Assisted Living Can be:
  • Family Owned
  • Corporate
  • Non-Profit (Like Shalom Home)
  • Adult Foster Homes

Chapters

01:23 Intro to Molly and Melissa of Carefree Cottages

06:39 What is Assisted Living and Who is it for?

12:52 Question #1: Do you accept the Elderly Waiver or Cadi Waiver?

25:57 Question #2: How are the activities?

30:43 Question #3: Medication Management and Independence 

35:37 What things should you be looking for when touring Assisted Living?

37:24 Robyn's horrible experience with assisted living

44:19 What is an ombudsman and knowing your rights

48:23 Debunking the misconceptions about Assisted Living

53:07 Why does Assisted Living cost so much?

56:19 Family Owned, Corporate, Non Profit or Adult Foster Care

58:50 What is a 'Navigator' and are they helpful?

01:01:08 Independent Living, Assisted Living, Memory Care and Skilled Nursing

01:06:31 The Future of Assisted Living

Links + Resources:

Carefree Cottages of Maplewood

Cost of Long Term Care Calculator - this is an AMAZING resource where you can estimate the cost of care in your specific area of the United States. Powered by Carescout

State of MN OmbudsmanMinnesota 

Bill of Rights for Assisted Living

A Place at the Table - an example of adult foster care. 

National Domestic Workers Alliance

Caring Across Generations

Molly Mogren Katt - explore more of Molly’s personal + creative work! 

Whether you’re supporting a loved one through a terminal diagnosis, navigating aging, walking alongside someone at the end of life, or grieving after they’re gone, the “in-between” losses can feel overwhelming. Life keeps moving all around you, and somehow you’re expected to keep up.

And if you’re a sandwiched caregiver? You might find yourself craving moments of joy in the middle of it all - only to be met with guilt (or even a little side-eye) when you actually have fun. Simple, right?

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Eliesa and Robyn sit down with Jessica Kim, founder of Ianacare (“I Am Not Alone Care”). Jessica has spent most of her adult life as a caregiver while raising three kids, and she’s turned that experience into a mission to support others navigating the same challenges. Together, we talk about the loneliness of caregiving, finding connection, and giving yourself permission to hold both grief and joy at the same time.

Because at the end of the day, you’re not alone—we’re in this together.

Takeaways

• Loneliness creeps in and can be all consuming when you’re a caregiver. 
• The fork in the road: Do you need to leave your career to be a caregiver?
• Our Mindset: How we reframe things is huge - we need to balance JOY in caregiving
• The THREE day rule - how have you tended to your priorities over the course of three days? 
  • Kids + activities
  • Marriage
  • Friends
  • Wellness / gym
  • Work
  • Faith
• How does full time caregiving effect our children? Do they see our stress as much as we feel it?
• Culture Change: Lets not make others feel guilty while seeking JOY while they are GRIEVING
• Ianacare: How this company supports families and helps them with loneliness. Also: a HUGE Medicare GUIDE program for families with Alzheimer's!

Links + Resources: 

Ianacare Website

Follow Ianacare on Instagram

Caring for someone with Dementia? See if you Qualify for the Medicare GUIDE Program - at NO cost to you!

Chapters:

00:00 Intros and our Meet Cute with Jessica Kim

02:29 Jessica's Caregiving Story

22:30 Mindshift: Reframing Priorities in Caregiving

29:04 Impact of Caregiving on Children

38:07 Seeking Joy Amidst Grief

43:47 The Loneliness of Caregiving

47:23 How caregiving changes you

55:05 IANACare and a Medicare funded program for Caregivers

01:02:59 Engagement and Community Building

01:03:35 Outro

In this episode of The Sandwich Generation Pod, Robyn and Eliesa talk with family mediator Molly Darsow, owner of Still Waters Mediation. (Yes—family mediator. Because sometimes families need a referee.) Molly shares expert advice on setting boundaries with parents, managing emotional triggers, and improving communication in challenging family dynamics.If you’ve ever thought “there has to be a better way to deal with this,” this one’s for you.

If you’re caring for aging parents while raising kids, navigating sibling tension, or just trying not to lose your mind during one more “interesting” phone call—this episode will give you tools, validation, and maybe even a little laugh.

Takeaways

• We are born into family systems and when our parents age or pass away, those roles within the system are wildly disrupted. 
• We always hold onto our inner child. 
• When we’re family, we all know each other’s triggers - that never leaves us.
• There might be a generational difference in how we talk about our emotions.
• There is A LOT of vulnerability in aging. 
• Shutting down bad behaviors is totally legit. 
• It sounds annoying but acceptance, compassion and time are three of the best ways to handle a difficult parent.
• Communication takes active practice on everyone’s part and Molly gives tips on doing this effectively.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction with Molly Darsow of Still Waters Mediation

02:55 What is Mediation and why might I need it?

09:40 Managing Triggers and Emotional Responses

11:39 Strategies for Difficult Conversations

30:31 Establishing Boundaries with Parents

33:47 Acknowledging Loss and Change

38:49 The Driving Conversation - is anything more difficult than this?

48:18 What to do when a parent is guilting you?

58:07 Sibling Relationships and Triangulation

01:05:50 Managing Difficult Parents in Front of Children

01:11:11 Outro

Links and Resources:

Still Waters Mediation 

Care out Loud Conversation starter Cards

• What actually irritates them (yes, we go there)
• How to keep the spark alive when you're exhausted and emotionally tapped out
• Raising kids while juggling everyone else’s needs
•  And what support really looks like—beyond “just tell me what you need”

Spoiler: Love is strong… but so are opinions about buying milk!

If you’re in a relationship in the Sandwich Generation—whether you’re the caregiver or the one wondering how to help—this one’s for you.

Because sometimes, laughter is the only thing keeping everyone sane.

Takeaways

• Everyone is in The Sandwich Generation together when you’re married but in different roles.
• How can a spouse help with the overwhelm of being sandwiched?
• When your spouse takes a back seat - and making them a priority again!
• How are we raising the kids in the middle of it all?
• Keeping the fire alive - intimacy and humor during tough times.
• It takes a village - asking for help!

Chapters

00:00 Reflections on Marriage: Expectations vs. Reality: Getting Married Later in Life and Entering The Sandwich Generation

10:20 When the caregiver is overwhelmed, what's a spouse to do?

18:53 Hormones are a big deal in The Sandwich Generation

30:18 When your spouse takes a back seat and making them a priority again

36:27 Arguments

39:27 So what do you really think of your in laws?

45:36 What about us? What does our aging look like?

48:01 Lets talk about the kids + grief

54:33 Making things easier for the spouse that is overwhelmed by caregiving

59:09 What makes our spouse sexy now in The Sandwich Generation?

01:05:36 Outro

Hot Tip: Spend the money and hire an attorney - it’s worth the investment! We’re not here to sell, we are here to guide you through and hopefully shed some light on a subject that is fraught with financial and emotional loss. 

**Please note that we are not offering specific legal advice - Use this advice to ask the questions in your states, with your attorneys.**

Takeaways:

• The benefits of Pre Planning for Long Term Care
• The benefits of hiring an attorney to help - especially to flag for exemptions in MN that get missed a lot. 
• Clarifying the terms:  5 year Look Back, Asset Reduction and Spenddown terminology
• The cost of care in America is HIGH right now - we will all need long term planning and the earlier the better because you have options. 
• Ongoing MA maintenance
• Some real life examples of a medical assistance spenddown before annual renewals
• Medical Assistance Divorces and why do they happen
• What’s the most frequent question an attorney gets asked by families applying for Medical Assistance for long term care?

Links and Resources:

National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys - a national resource to help connect you with Elder Law Attorneys around the country! 

Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!

10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. 

Minnesota Application for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care - if you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. 

Low Income Resources:

Mid Minnesota Legal Aid

LawHelpMN.Org

In part one of this two-part episode, Eliesa shares her personal story with the hardships of navigating and applying for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care. We also welcome Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law, LLC to be our expert in talking about the legalities of Medical Assistance for Long Term Care in Minnesota with real tips, real examples and real advice. 

**Please note that we are not offering specific legal advice - Use this advice to ask the questions in your states, with your attorneys.**

Takeaways:

• Eliesa’s personal story - why is she so passionate about Medical assistance?
• Lets clarify the terms: Medical Assistance for Long Term Care, Elder Waiver and Cadi Waiver
• What is *actually covered in MN when you’re on Medical Assistance for Long Term Care?
• The benefits of hiring an attorney for the pre-planning and application process. 
• Setting Expectations for being on Medical Assistance for Long Term Care

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law

01:06 Eliesa’s Personal Story with Medical Assistance

12:38 Why do people go on Medical Assistance and who is it for?

13:56 Medical Assistance vs The Elderly Care Waiver vs the Cadi Waiver

17:42 What are the first steps in applying for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care?

23:55 Navigating county workers and application challenges

34:16 Financial Realities of Medical Assistance and Elderly Waiver

45:39 The importance of early planning

47:02 Outro

Links and Resources:

National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys - a national resource to help connect you with Elder Law Attorneys around the country! 

Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!

10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. 

Minnesota Application for Medical Assistance for Long Term Care - if you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. 

Low Income Resources:

Mid Minnesota Legal Aid

LawHelpMN.Org

Takeaways:

Creating the “Legacy Binder”: Put together both a physical binder and digital folder with all of these important things! You can create this for both your aging parents and your own family. 

Digital Folder: Use a cloud service like Google Drive, Dropbox or iCloud. Make sure to keep things password protected for safe keeping!

Get yourself a Scan App: Scan Ace or Scan is what we use!

Folders can include: 

• Personal Information
• Financial Information
• Legal Information
• Medical Information
• Digital Information + Password
• Home Information
• End of Life Wishes

Links and Resources:

Care Out Loud - Use their Conversation Cards, 

Caregiving Cheat Sheets + Caregiver Resources - all in one place! 

Chapters:

00:00 Document Organization Strategies

01:15 There's so much paperwork: How do we get ourselves organized?

02:47 Analog vs Digital Organization - Or make it a combo!

09:54 Category Tips for Organizing ALL the Info

17:44 Category Tips Continued

22:17 Starting the Conversation with Parents

25:23 Care Out Loud Resource for Caregivers

28:59 Outro

Stephanie shares her story - and her personal journey - of saying goodbye to her mother Brigitte, who we all called Oma, who was diagnosed with a terminal illness and given six months to live. This is not an episode of fear or despair, but rather of light, love, the little things - and being brave enough to truly celebrate the time we have! We also touch on leading our children through the loss of a loved one and why we are all a part of ‘The long goodbye’. 

Grab your Kleenex and come laugh and cry with us through this episode! It’s a journey you won’t forget!

Takeaways:

Whether we are caregiving for aging parents or facing a terminal illness, how can we celebrate the time we have?

It’s the small things in life that matter the most in the end.

How can we practice staying present and having connection through aging or a terminal diagnosis?

Death merch is a very cool thing. 

Death nesting is also a very real part of the process. 

Are we all in ‘The Long Goodbye?’

Legacy is about carrying forward the stories and values of those we love.

How do we raise our kids to learn about death and loss when we’re sandwiched?

Continuing the celebration at a memorial - in a fun way.

Links + Resources:

Subscribe to Pickle by Stephanie March on Substack. 

Chapters

00:00 Season Finale Intro

02:40 The Story of Brigitte von Haken and her final gift

08:19 Facing Terminal Illness with Grace

13:35 Death Merch

15:50 Carrying out your loved one's wishes - even when they're not your own

16:21 Navigating Death and DNR Conversations

18:38 Honoring a Mother's Legacy

23:01 Celebrating the time we have - What matters most?

31:45 Guiding our children through aging and death when we're in The Sandwich Generation

42:42 The long goodbye to the final goodbye 

57:25 Let the Celebration continue - Planning the Memorial in a *cool* way

01:03:20 The After-Party Crash of Death Burnout for Caregivers

01:06:13 Change + Living Life to the fullest - because we are ALL in The Long Goodbye

01:09:50 The Gift of Being Yourself

01:10:23 Rapid Fire Questions with Stephanie March

01:13:05 Cheers to Season 1 and Oma: Simplex Munditiis! 

01:13:46 Reflections on the Journey and Future Aspirations

01:14:58 Outro

Takeaways

• Things feel mighty tricky during the holidays when you’re Sandwiched!
• There are a lot of logistics, diaper bags, walkers and snacks packed for everyone. 
• Emotions run high during holiday gatherings.
• The torch has been passed - and now it is our time to carry on or start new traditions.
• Consider hosting your holiday early - when the kids and grandparents' energy levels are the best - or before the sugar crash. 
• Outsource that shit! The meal, the shopping, whatever you need to do!
• Happy Holidays - I’m setting boundaries this year! 
• All that matters is our time together. 
• What would you add to our holiday survival guide?

Chapters

00:00 The Holiday Chaos when you're in The Sandwich Generation

04:22 Robyn's Real Life Hallmark Story of Chrismukkah

08:18 Nostalgia and the Holidays - How did our parents do it all?

10:51 Eliesa's Christmas Tradition: Being Santa and the Elf

11:35 The Santa Legacy

16:47 Passing the Torch: When a new generation leads the Holiday

20:54 HO HO HO! A visit from SANTA!

25:37 Incorporating Parents in Holiday Celebrations

26:24 The Sandwich Generation Holiday Survival Tips! 

35:09 Segment: To Laugh or Cry

37:34 Continued: The Sandwich Generation Holiday Survival Tips! 

Links and Resources:

@bootyandbrains.co - Follow Rachel, her knowledge and hilarity here on her instagram account!

BootyandBrains.co - Sign up for Rachel’s class. A clear guided path to reducing your risk of Alzheimer's by building sustainable daily habits. 

Momentous - A Rachel-endorsed brand for Creatine and Fish Oil supplements. (Code B&B for 20% off)

Only 3% of Alzheimer's cases are based exclusively on genetics. See the study here.

Dementia Prevention, Intervention and Care Article - Read all about it here.

Research and Progress from The Alzheimer’s Association 

Takeaways

It's not just about working out for vanity’s sake anymore; it's about holistic, long term health.

Caregiving changes our perspective on our own health.

Alzheimer's prevention is largely about lifestyle choices.

Just because Alzheimer’s affected your loved one, doesn’t automatically mean it will happen to you.

We can make small changes - in our diet and movement - that make a big impact on our health overall and play a part in Alzheimer’s prevention. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Rachel Daugherty of BootyandBrains.co

02:03 Rachel's Personal Journey with Caregiving and Alzheimer's 

08:14 Building a Business out of grief - and one that impacts everyone

14:34 Our brains, our bodies and the science behind Alzheimer's prevention

29:04 The boring basics of self care that make a BIG difference

31:35 There is hope in Alzheimer's prevention

34:26 How being a caregiver gives you perspective on your own health

39:39 Giving your body 'equipment' for aging

42:05 "My health is bigger than me" - Talking to your kids about brain health and o

In this episode, co-hosts Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank have an incredibly candid and informative conversation with Dr. Elizabeth Edgerly, Senior Director of Community Programs and Services at the Alzheimer’s Association. Dr. Edgerly shares her personal story of walking alongside her mother with Lewy Body Dementia, along with answering all our questions - and giving HOPE to the future of Alzheimer’s. This episode is for us all - what we can do for Alzheimer's prevention, knowledge about the latest groundbreaking treatments and most importantly - how we, as caregivers, can bring humanity and Person Centered Care to our loved ones! 

Takeaways

The difference between Alzheimer’s and Dementia.

Getting the correct diagnosis is crucial for treatment.

What to do when you notice cognitive changes in your parent.

Explaining the early, middle and late stages of Alzheimer’s. 

Lifestyle changes can significantly impact brain health and reduce risk.

Genetic factors play a role in Alzheimer's risk, but lifestyle can mitigate this.

Hormonal changes in women may increase Alzheimer's risk and with caregiving, it’s a double whammy. 

Support resources are available for caregivers and those diagnosed at ALZ.org. 

Links and Resources:

Alzheimer’s Association Website

The 10 Warning Signs of Alzheimer’s Worksheet

My ALZ Journey - a new app brought to you by the Alzheimer's Association that puts all of their resources in one easy place for people who are first diagnosed 

The Empowered Caregiver - Support Groups, Local Chapters and Online Community for caregivers to those with Alzheimer’s and Dementia. 

24/7 Helpline - Yes, this helpline is still a thing AND a useful tool when you need help directly in the moment! A professional staff can guide you through all of your questions, day or night! 

Trial Match - Are you interested in being a part of a clinical research study? See if you qualify and what studies are happening now!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Dr. Elizabeth Edgerly

25:03 The Comfort of Nostalgia: Peanut M&Ms and Family Bonds

27:27 Preserving Dignity

30:36 Early, Middle and Late Stages of Alzheimer's

35:12 The Importance of Early Diagnosis

38:59 Emerging Treatments and Blood Tests for Alzheimer's

45:54 Understanding Amyloid and Neurofibrillary Tangles

53:47 Hormonal Health and Alzheimer's

01:00:52 Resources for Alzheimer's Caregivers

01:04:02 Real Talk

Takeaways

• The difference between a Hoarder and a Saver - we all think our parents are hoarders, but are they really?
• It’s a gift to move your parents while they are still alive - start the conversations and process early!
• Our objects, our things and our stuff hold meaning. They tell stories. Let's honor that while also downsizing and guest Alli Rubin provides actionable tips to dealing with all of the ‘stuff’. 
• How to make the new place feel like home.
• How to keep objects for future generations and remember our loved ones.
• The difference between hiring a professional mover vs junk removal - and the realistic costs. 
• How our objects can live on and give meaning to others!
• Working with Siblings and creating boundaries and deadlines around the moving process!

Links and Resources

Get in touch with Alli Rubin: allirubin@hotmail.com

**The Following resources are based in Minnesota**

Estate Sales Minnesota

PRISM MPLS - Donate to the Shop for Change Thrift Shop and Marketplace Food Shelf.

SAVERS - Declutter Responsibly.

STEP - Accepts donations for food and clothing.

Bridging - Accepts Furniture, housewares, linens, small appliances, electronics, mirrors, artwork and pictures. 

JFCS Hag Sameach Program -  provides personalized holiday gifts, ritual items, and household necessities to families and individuals who are in need.

Astound Video - Converting VHS, Photographs, CD's, and Video Tape transfers to digital format. 

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guests
01:12 Meet Alli Rubin
04:39 When is the right time to call a mover?
14:19 Hoarder vs Saver
19:06 Helping families downsize
30:52 Our objects hold meaning
34:42 The energy our objects hold and passing that along
38:30 The difference between hiring a mover and junk removal
43:15 Estate Sales and Resellers
46:45 Setting Boundaries and Timelines
51:55 Start the moving conversation early, make the calls and plan
56:12 Outro
56:53 Real Talk

Takeaways

• Life can feel heavy and lonely when you’re in the Sandwich Generation and it’s oftentimes hard to share your true feelings with friends. 
• We need our friendships, now more than ever - but how do we ask for help?
• Friends can show support in simple, meaningful ways
• Friendship is essential and can be a source of strength during tough times.
• It's important to include friends in the caregiving journey, even if it's just sharing updates.
• Friendship is essential and can be a source of strength during tough times
• Recognizing the efforts of friends and expressing gratitude strengthens relationships. 

Chapters

00:00 Intro to Friendships

01:17 It feels lonely when you're 'Sandwiched'

06:04 The importance of work friendships 

09:26 It takes a village

12:59 Things aren't as they used to be - and that's okay!

19:57 What can I do for you?

28:25 To Laugh or Cry Segment

30:15 Examples of how friends have shown up

37:42 Keeping our Parent's friendships alive and well

42:51 A recap and Survival Guide to Friendships in the Sandwich Generation

47:13 Outro

“Money and Health are so important, intertwined and personal. Just like you need a good bedside manner for health, you have to have a good bedside manner for money too.” - Shannon Foreman

Links + Resources: 

Forethought Planning Podcast: For more deep dives and advice from Shannon Foreman, check out her podcast! Here is a link for Long Term Care Specific Episodes!

Cost of Care Quote: Use this site to calculate the cost of care in your area!

*Minnesota* Medical Assistance 

*Minnesota* Senior Linkage Line

Schromen Law, LLC - Legal Professionals who specialize in Medical Assistance Planning

Types of Long-Term Care Insurance & Alternatives

A. Traditional LTC Insurance

• Annual premiums, use-it-or-lose-it
• Health underwriting required
• Often less flexible

B. Hybrid LTC (Life Insurance + LTC Rider)

• Permanent life insurance with LTC benefits
• If care is never needed, legacy benefit remains
• Usually more expensive upfront, but asset-based

C. Annuities with LTC Benefits

• Income-producing tool with care coverage if needed
• Can be repurposed from existing retirement accounts

D. Alternatives to Insurance

• Self-funding (for high-net-worth clients)
• Medicaid Planning (asset spend-down, trusts)
• Family caregiving (and its financial/emotional costs)

Chapters

00:00 Navigating Finances in Caregiving

06:19 Starting Difficult Conversations

11:52 Understanding Legal Documents

18:23 The Reality of Long-Term Care Insurance

24:25 How has Financial Planning Changed for today's Generation

25:56 Medicare vs. Medicaid Explained

30:53 The Challenges of Medical Assistance

35:52 Leaving a Legacy and what does that mean

39:20 Conversations to plan for a better future for our generation

41:17 Medicaid and Elder Waiver

44:18 Planning for our own futures

47:13 Is it ever too late to hire a professional?

50:00 The first steps in getting your shit together

53:04 Having Empathy and Humanity to the hard conversations

57:25 Real Talk

In this episode, we (Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank) open up about the frustrations around taking care of ourselves while being caregivers for both our children and parents. We give some realistic examples of how we fit in tiny moments of joy that help us cope with the stress, along with a deeper conversation on how watching our parents age has had an effect on our own health journeys. And did we mention we talk about making CPAPs sexy?! That’s right - welcome to The Sandwich Generation Pod!

Takeaways

• Self care feels like a scam because there is NO time people! 
• Being ‘sandwiched’ and watching our parents age has only made us reflect on our own health journey - because we want to stay as healthy as possible for our children as they grow!
• Taking vitamins might be all the self care there is for the day!
• Shoutout to CPAP machines and amazing sleep! CPAPs are COOL, y’all!
• Finding radical acceptance is important for our mental well being when we’re in the midst of caregiving.
• Everything you do each day is enough. 
• Journaling, therapy, indulging in a great coffee / cocktail, nutrient dense food are all things we’ve found as small joys along the way. 
• Creating boundaries around your time from caregiving is self care. 
• It’s okay to just survive some days; recognizing that is part of self care.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction 

00:47 The Reality of Self-Care in Busy Lives

01:57 Our Personal Self-Care Practices and Challenges

07:09 Making CPAP Machines Sexy and how Sleep is EVERYTHING

15:06 How bedtime with our kids became the best time

19:53 Our own Health Awakening from watching our parents age

27:11 Prioritizing our health for our own aging

29:38 Setting Boundaries: Caring for Family

33:54 Practical Hacks: Self-Care in Everyday Life

37:52 Radical Acceptance: What we are doing is enough

40:35 Outro

In this episode, we welcome Lisa Frank, Robyn’s sister to the show. The Frank sisters talk candidly about the complexities in navigating care for their aging parents, while managing their own families and being sisters. From living states apart, to dividing and conquering and overcoming our own bullshit to focus on their parent’s wellbeing - we talk about it all. Eliesa also chimes in with some perspective on being an only child and we share some insights on how to support one another - and our parents - while being siblings in The Sandwich Generation. In this episode we let the emotions flow, because this is real life!

Takeaways

How to show up for your siblings while caregiving:

• Build your “Cabinet”, either with your siblings or with trusted family and friends who you can get advice from in making all of the decisions. 
• Also, build a “Cabinet” of your parent’s friends who can continue to reach out and support them. 
• Divide and Conquer with your siblings - and recognize what each other’s strengths are.
• Talk about your boundaries and triggers with your siblings.
• Check in with your siblings - how are they doing in their lives? How is their mental health?
• Above all, put your own bullshit aside and focus on the wellbeing of the loved one you are caregiving for. 

How to show up for your peers who are in The Sandwich Generation:

• Send a text checking in
• Delivering some groceries for their parents 
• Having a visit with their loved one
• House cleaning - for your friends, for their parents or loved one. 
• Offer to help with simple house projects for their parents or loved one. 

Chapters

00:00 Navigating Caregiving with Siblings

01:11 Introducing the Frank Sisters

03:04 Build your Cabinet of People to Help

06:11 Taking Care of your Parents while living in different States

09:52 Feeling Guilt

11:02 Being on the same page with your sibling

16:27 Setting an example for your children

19:04 Stepping up for your sibling when they need it most

21:52 Setting boundaries and noticing triggers

27:08 Showing up for our friends who are Sandwiched

28:20 Our parents need their friends too

31:50 Checking In with your Sibling

35:16 What are you most proud of each other for?

41:30 Being an "only" child and raising "only" children

47:39 Real Talk Segment

In this episode, Eliesa Johnson and Robyn Frank are joined by (the fantastic) Rachel Schromen of Schromen Law, LLC and we discuss it all. Rachel’s approach to guiding her clients through Estate Planning and Elder Law is truly remarkable and we are so grateful for her advice and real-life-tips that you can put into action to help you today!

Side note: We learned Power of Attorney isn’t just for aging parents, it’s important for ALL of us. Listen in to learn more! 

Takeaways

• Why Power of Attorney and Health Care Directives are important for ALL of us, NOW! Including your freshly turned 18 year old.  
• What’s valuable about hiring an attorney to help with Estate Planning and Elder Law. 
• How to interview attorneys to find the right personality and fit for your family. 
• When to strategically schedule legal meetings + important appointments to allow everyone to retain the information best. 
• How siblings should play to each other’s strengths to divide and conquer responsibilities.
• What’s the difference between Power of Attorney and co-signer on your parent’s bank accounts, and which one is better.

Links and Resources:

**The following links are resources based in the state of Minnesota.**

Schromen Law, LLC - Learn more about Rachel’s practice and approach to Estate Planning and Elder Law. We know we’ll be making an appointment!

10 Questions to ask your Estate Planning Attorney - A very cool document provided by Schromen Law, LLC that walks you through questions to ask while calling around for Estate Planning and Elder Law. 

State of Minnesota Power of Attorney Forms - If you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. 

State of Minnesota Health Care Directive Form - If you’re interested in a DIY approach. A word of caution - these forms can seem deceivingly simple. We might recommend hiring a pro to help guide you. 

Low Income Resources:

Mid Minnesota Legal Aid

LawHelpMN.Org

Do you have a hot tip for legal advice to share? Good resources beyond our state of Minnesota? Maybe you have a hilarious Laugh or Cry moment you want to contribute to our show. We want to hear from you ✨

Find us on Instagram @ thesandwichgenerationpod

Join our community on Substack

Email us: hello@thesandwichgenerationpod.com

Visit our Website: thesandwichgenerationpod.com 

Chapters

00:00 Meet Rachel Schromen: The Expert in Elder Law

01:55 Rachel's Personal Journey with Grief and Law

06:48 What the HELL is Power of Attorney?

19:10 Segment: To Laugh or Cry

20:36 Should I DIY the paperwork or hire a pro?

28:22 Mental Capacity for the l

In this episode, we discuss the challenges faced by the sandwich generation, who are simultaneously caring for aging parents and raising young children. Our conversation introduces us, your charming co-hosts, Robyn Frank and Eliesa Johnson, as we share our personal experiences with being sandwiched. We also explore the emotional and financial burdens of caregiving, the importance of community support, and our hopes and dreams for The Sandwich Generation Pod and how we want YOU to be a part of it all! ✨

Takeaways:

Why is caregiving so emotionally and physically taxing?

Community support is crucial!

How isolation plays into the struggles

Navigating the complex process of Assisted Living

Humor as a coping mechanism is real

Build that community for much-needed support!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to The Sandwich Generation Pod

05:20 What IS Sandwich Generation?

10:41 Our Hopes and Dreams for this Podcast

14:19 Engagement and Community Building

Links and Resources:

We want to hear from you and invite you to be a part of the community we are building! Do you want to share your story of being in The Sandwich Generation? Do you have a question or topic you’d love us to talk about? Maybe you have a very funny or terribly sad To Laugh or Cry Moment? We’d love to hear from you however you want to show up and you can find us in these spaces:

Find us on Instagram @ thesandwichgenerationpod

Join our community on Substack

Email us: hello@thesandwichgenerationpod.com

Visit our Website: thesandwichgenerationpod.com

Follow us @thesandwichgenerationpod