The School Can't Experience

#48 - Rachel's Lived Experience - What an OT Can Do for School Can't

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 06:00:00 +1100

Rachel, a School Can’t mum and occupational therapist, joins host Leisa Reichelt to talk about her family’s experience supporting her child through severe school distress and School Can’t.

Rachel describes years of intense support, including leaving work for three years and spending hours daily on school grounds, difficulties with school responses, and the impact on the whole family during COVID, before transitioning to home education to reduce stress and improve wellbeing.

They discuss the value and timing of autism identification for understanding, self-esteem, and support. Rachel explains what occupational therapy is, how OTs help children engage in meaningful activities (self-care, school participation, sensory processing, executive functioning, and mental health), how to set priorities and goals, the OT role in NDIS functional capacity assessments, and how OTs can identify and reduce school-based stressors through environmental analysis and practical classroom accommodations.

00:00 Welcome and guest intro

01:06 Meet Rachel and family

02:02 School refusal begins

05:03 Surviving the hardest years

06:23 School conflict and advocacy

08:46 Choosing home education

12:51 Late autism identification

15:11 Why diagnosis can help

21:03 What occupational therapy is

23:32 Getting the most from OT

26:49 OT support in schools

30:39 Practical stressor mapping

33:36 Resources and final advice

37:58 Closing and support lines

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

OT Australia (Occupational Therapy Australia) - https://www.otaus.com.au

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If you are a parent of carer in Australia and experiencing distress, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or contact the Parent Help Line. - https://kidshelpline.com.au/parents/issues/how-parentline-can-help-you

You can contact us to volunteer to share your School Can't story or some feedback via email on schoolcantpodcast@gmail.com

Disclaimer
The content of this podcast is based on personal lived experiences and is shared for informational and storytelling purposes only. It should not be treated as medical, psychological, or professional advice under any circumstances. If you have concerns about your health or well-being, please seek guidance from a doctor, therapist, or other qualified professional.

#47 - Insights from School Can't Research with Dawn Adams, Olga Tennison Autism Research Centre (OTARC)

Tue, 24 Feb 2026 06:00:00 +1100

Leisa Reichelt speaks with autism researcher and clinical psychologist Dawn Adams (OTARC, La Trobe University) about what the latest School Can’t research is showing.

Dawn shares international insights on how neuro-normative school policy and assessment can drive school distress, and why lived experience and co-designed research matter. She outlines OTARC findings that child anxiety can predict later school non-attendance years in advance, and that an autism-specific, parent-based anxiety prevention program in the preschool years was linked to far fewer school attendance challenges.

They also discuss fluctuating capacity, autonomy, and student-identified school stressors from the Student Stress Investigation cards—highlighting that many improvements are low-cost and start with schools better understanding when students ‘seem okay’ but aren’t.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can’t Experience Podcast + Meet Dawn Adams (OTARC)

01:08 Dawn’s Journey: Clinical Psychologist to Autism Research Leader

04:05 Why Lived Experience Must Shape Research (and What Data Gets Missed)

06:11 Participatory Research & Co-Design: Catching Up in Autism Research

08:09 Conference Takeaways: Policy, Assessment Inequity & Systemic Drivers

13:26 Fluctuating Capacity: Autonomy, Trust, and the ‘Spoons’ Language

16:58 OTARC’s School Can’t Research: Longitudinal Findings & Anxiety Prevention

21:51 Practical Anxiety Supports: Intolerance of Uncertainty, Language & Modeling

27:49 Choice, Control & Advocacy: Building Safety and a Trusted Adult at School

32:33 Student Stress Investigation Cards: Top Stressors & What Kids Want Changed

39:04 Key Takeaways for Schools: Low-Cost Changes That Reduce Stress

40:47 How to Get Involved + Wrap-Up, Resources, and Support Lines

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

Dawn Adams on Linked In - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawn-adams-207653264
Olga Tennison Autism Research Centre (OTARC) - https://www.latrobe.edu.au/otarc

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#46 Individual Learning Plans that really work with Emma-Rose Parsons

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 06:00:00 +1100

Psychologist Emma-Rose Parsons joins host, Leisa Reichelt to discuss how Individual Learning Plans (ILPs/IEPs) can become practical, neurodiversity-affirming tools rather than “tick-the-box” paperwork.

Emma-Rose explains ILPs should document reasonable adjustments, support equal access to curriculum and school life, and help schools meet obligations under relevant disability and equal opportunity legislation—ideally through true collaboration with parents and, where possible, students.

They identify common red flags and Emma-Rose shares examples of better goals focused on access and regulation. The episode also covers school objections around “fairness” and staff capacity, noting the need for better whole-community understanding of equity and more teacher upskilling.

They discuss how allied health can help by providing brief, prioritised recommendations with clear rationale, and how implementation often breaks down in high school without clear responsibility for sharing plans across multiple teachers.

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

Emma Rose’s website: https://emmarosepsychologist.com.au/
Nuturing Sparkles Video Library” https://learn.nurturingsparkles.com.au/
Neurowild octopus iceskates cartoon re: equal vs equality - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02T5WZVb94KbcK5BzZannYZTNkRAnG39PWVqEVE9HS19PDY9LCJzErzE6KXzExV6Q5l&id=100087870753308
Neurowild on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neurowild_
Lived Experience Educator: https://www.livedexperienceeducator.com/
Onwards and Upwards Psychology: https://www.onwardsandupwardspsychology.com.au/
Yellow Ladybugs: https://www.yellowladybugs.com.au/

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#45 - What I Wish I Knew Earlier - Lived Experience Panel

Tue, 10 Feb 2026 06:00:00 +1100

This week we bring you a special live recording of the Lived Experience panel from the launch of the 'Understanding School Can’t' ebook. Featuring previous podcast guests Diana, Mark, Simone, and Yani, the discussion ranges draws from their personal journeys and explores the challenges they faced with School Can’t, and the wisdom they wish they had known earlier.

The panel offers powerful reflections on the importance of community, dealing with isolation and stress, and practical advice on navigating educational systems. They also touch on the significance of self-care and finding hope during difficult times.

Download the free ebook from the School Can’t Australia website (https://www.schoolcantaustralia.com.au/minibook) and join us in this candid conversation about overcoming barriers and supporting young people through their unique educational challenges.

00:00 Welcome and introduction to the Lived Experience Panel

02:30 Meet the Panelists: Personal Journeys

09:15 Early Signs of School Can't

12:49 Bad Advice and Missteps

18:43 What Actually Helped: Breakthroughs and Support

24:05 Hope and Optimism in the Journey

27:18 The Importance of Self-Care

28:57 Final Thoughts and Resources

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

Download the ebook; Understanding School Can’t - https://www.schoolcantaustralia.com.au/minibook
Diana’s Lived Experience Episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17687736
Mark’s Lived Experience Episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17343389
Simone & Yani’s Lived Experience Episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17807153
Naomi Fisher on Parental Burnout (and self compassion) episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17727352

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#44 - Understanding School Can't with Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 06:00:00 +1100

In the first episode of the 2026 School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt discusses the challenges 'School Can't,' with the Directors of School Can't Australia, Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers and discuss some of the content of the new ebook, Understanding School Can’t published by School Can’t Australia in January.

Download a copy of the Understanding School Can’t ebook here: https://www.schoolcantaustralia.com.au/minibook

We explore the early and often missed signs of School Can't, harmful but well-meaning advice, and why it's essential for parents and carers to invest in their own mental well-being.

Our conversation explores stressors that impact children’s school attendance, building trust, self-regulation, and the importance of community support.

Tiffany and Louise emphasise compassion, curiosity, and support for both children and their caregivers.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

01:57 Personal Summer Break Stories

03:08 Defining 'School Can't'

05:02 Distinguishing 'Can't' from 'Won't'

07:25 Early Signs and Patterns of School Can't

08:42 Parental Experiences and Insights

24:01 Common Stressors and Challenges

29:39 Effective Strategies and Support

32:29 The Importance of Self-Care for Parents

44:40 Final Thoughts and Resources

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

Download a copy of the Understanding School Can’t ebook here: https://www.schoolcantaustralia.com.au/minibook
Dr Ross Greene, Lives in the Balance: https://livesinthebalance.org/
Shankar Self Reg - https://self-reg.ca/
Carers Gateway - https://www.carergateway.gov.au/

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2025 Year End Update and Reflection

Tue, 23 Dec 2025 14:00:00 +1100

You're invited to attend the virtual launch of School Can't Australia's new ebook.

Please help us plan content for next years episodes - send your feedback and ideas to schoolcantpodcast@gmail.com or send us a text.

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#43 - Wendy's Lived Experience

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 06:00:00 +1100

Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast hosted by Leisa Reichelt. In this episode, Wendy, a high school teacher and foster parent, shares her story of caring for her foster son Jax, who has struggled with school attendance for several years.

Wendy shares the various challenges they have faced with the education system, their experiences with foster care, and their journey towards finding an appropriate learning environment for Jax where he is now truly seen, understood and supported.

The episode also highlights the importance of understanding neurodiversity and advocating for children with special needs.

Content warning: the episode includes a mention of suicide. Please listen with care and reach out for support if you need it.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Wendy and Her Story

01:16 Wendy's Background and Family Dynamics

04:45 Challenges in the Education System

08:55 Navigating the Foster Care System

16:12 Breakthroughs and Progress

23:21 Finding the Right School

29:47 Reflections and Future Hopes

33:52 Closing Remarks and Resources

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

NSW In-Home Care - https://nswihc.org.au/in-home-care/
Your Child is Not Broken: Parent Your Neurodivergent Child Without Losing Your Marbles, by Heidi Mavir - https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781035030576/

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#42 - Tanya Valentin on School Can't Parental Grief and Transformation

Tue, 02 Dec 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Tanya Valentin, a neuro-affirming family coach from New Zealand.

Tanya shares her journey of discovering her neurodivergence and her family's experiences with school burnout and autism. They discuss the challenges, grief, and shame faced by parents, and the transformative power of finding new paths to education and parenting.

Tanya also talks about the resources and support available for families dealing with similar issues. Tune in to hear insights on breaking societal norms and fostering genuine connections with your children.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:28 Meet Tanya Valentin: A Journey Through Burnout and Neurodivergence

02:53 Understanding Burnout: A Family's Struggle and Discovery

05:29 Navigating Parenting Challenges and Professional Advice

12:53 The Emotional Toll: Grief, Shame, and Transformation

41:34 Finding Support and Resources for Parents

45:57 Closing Thoughts and Resources

Tanya’s Resources

Tanya has a holiday support menu for parents, centred on the grief and emotional weight that can surface at this time of year. The supports range from free to paid and are designed to meet parents across different needs and capacity levels.

You can find that here: https://tanyavalentin.co/holiday-support-menu/

And here is the link for parents who may wish to join From Burnout to Balance: https://tanyavalentin.co/parent-community/

People & resources mentioned in this episode:

Dr Anna Neff: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/
Dr Francis Weller: https://www.francisweller.net/
Dr Emmi Pickler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmi_Pikler
Kristi Forbes: https://www.kristyforbes.com.au/
Dr Naomi Fisher:https://naomifisher.co.uk/

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#41 - ICYMI - Home Education: Busting Myths and Misunderstandings with Pavlina McMaster

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Pavlina McMaster, Coordinator at the Home Education Network to shed light on some common myths about Home Education, including:

Myth #1:Home Education is a last resort
Myth #2: I have to work so don’t have time to Home Educate
Myth #3: I’m not smart/educated enough to teach my kids
Myth #4: Home Education restricts our kids future opportunities
Myth #5: Home Education kids miss out on social opportunities.

Useful resources:

Home Education Network (Australia) - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Victoria Home Schoolers and Unschoolers Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/victorianhomeschoolersandunschoolers
Home Education NSW - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationnsw
Home Education QLD Inc. - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationqldinc
Home Education Tasmania - https://www.facebook.com/groups/876634649129826
Home Education WA (HEWA) - https://www.facebook.com/hewapage
South Australian Home Educators - https://www.facebook.com/groups/southaustralianhomeeducators
Home Educators Northern Terrritory Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1226268530873997
Home Education Canberra Facebook Group (ACT) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/165766030185476

Also search for Home Education Facebook groups in your city or local area. There are many!

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#40 - Kate Broderick on relationship based teaching

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt speaks with Kate Broderick, a dual qualified speech therapist and occupational therapist, about the transition from behaviorism to a relationship-based approach in education.

Kate shares her personal journey as a parent of neurodivergent children and discusses the importance of building trust-based relationships to create safer and more inclusive learning environments.

They consider the challenges and strategies for advocating for educational transformation and the critical role of nervous system safety in child development. Kate also introduces her upcoming book as a resource for teachers and parents.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:26 Meet Kate Broderick: A Dual Qualified Therapist and School Can't Mum

01:04 Understanding Neurodivergence and Parenting

06:54 Challenges and Strategies in School Environments

14:39 Behavioral vs. Relational Approaches in Education

18:22 Building Trust and Relationships in Schools

22:26 Advocacy and Resources for Parents

30:35 Kate's Upcoming Book and Final Thoughts

37:08 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

Dr Ross Greene, Lives in the Balance: https://livesinthebalance.org/
Dr Mona Delahooke: https://monadelahooke.com/
Dr Vanessa LaPointe: https://drvanessalapointe.com/
Maggie Dent: https://www.maggiedent.com/
Gordon Neufeld, The Neufeld Institute: https://www.neufeldinstitute.org/
Reframing Autism: https://reframingautism.org.au/
Belongside Families: https://belongsidefamilies.org.au/

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#39 - Melisa & Jamie's Lived Experience

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode Melisa and her son Jamie to share their inspiring story with host, Leisa Reichelt. Jamie, who struggled with conventional schooling due to autism and other challenges, found an unconventional but successful educational pathway.

Despite difficulties including bullying, sensory challenges and a lack of support in school, Jamie flourished through home education, ultimately enrolling in university at a young age and recently earning a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford.

We explore the challenges and successes of their journey, including the importance of education redesigned to suit the learning needs of the individual, and the strength required from parents and children in navigating 'School Can't' scenarios.

If you're a parent or carer facing similar challenges, this episode offers a beacon of hope and practical insights.

00:00 Introduction to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:53 Meet Melisa and Jamie: A Unique Educational Journey

02:53 Early Struggles with Conventional Schooling

07:50 The Turning Point: Year Four and Beyond

16:16 Transition to Homeschooling

24:29 Discovering a Pathway to University

32:50 Achieving Academic Success and Beyond

38:04 Final Thoughts and Advice for Parents

Recommended Resources

Theresa Kidd: https://www.kiddclinic.com.au/
Open Universities Australia: https://www.open.edu.au/

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#38 - Successful School Transitions with Louise White and Tiffany Westphal

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, hosted by Leisa Reichelt, we discuss the best strategies for preparing children for school transitions.

As the school year ends, many parents are concerned about how to set their children up for success in the next academic year, especially when transitioning between primary and high school.

Guests Tiffany Westphal from School Can't Australia and Louise White, who recently completed her PhD on supporting autistic students with transitions, share their insights and experiences.

Topics include the importance of proactive preparation, communication strategies with teachers, and understanding the challenges neurodivergent children face during transitions. Tune in for valuable advice and resources to help support your child's educational journey.

Recommended Resources

2x10 Strategy: https://www.panoramaed.com/blog/2x10-relationship-building-strategy#
I Can Network - Transition to High School: https://icannetwork.online/online/transition-to-high-school-program/

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#37 - Home Education for Neurodivergent Kids with Pav & Heidi from the Home Education Network

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Pavlina McMaster and Heidi Ryan from the Home Education Network (HEN) to discuss the challenges and benefits of home education for neurodivergent children & young people.

Pavlina and Heidi share their personal experiences, highlighting how home education caters to the unique needs of these children, fosters motivation, and supports mental health.

The conversation also touches on the initial fears parents might have, the organic learning process, and the critical importance of creating a safe and supportive learning environment. Both parents of young children as well as teens transitioning to home education will gain valuable insights into the practicalities and emotional journey of home educating.

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

00:54 Meet Pavlina and Heidi

01:39 The Journey to Home Education

03:16 Benefits of Home Education for Neurodivergent Kids

05:14 Challenges and Misconceptions

08:34 Motivation and Learning

13:29 Early Signs and Decisions

16:46 Organic Learning and Community Support

20:03 Addressing Fears and Expectations

21:33 Realizations and Accommodations

22:44 Understanding Student Engagement and Coping Mechanisms

24:31 The Role of YouTube in Modern Education

28:01 Parental Support and Home Education

30:23 Addressing Teen Burnout and Mental Health

39:01 The Importance of Community Support

41:07 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

Home Education Network (Australia) - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Save Victorian Parent Helpline Petition: https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/save-parentline

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#36 - Happiness First Education with Hugh Viney, Minerva Virtual Academy

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt speaks with Hugh Viney, CEO of Minerva Virtual Academy (MVA), the UK’s fastest growing school that specifically caters to kids whose needs are not met by the mainstream school system.

MVA's unique model centers on a 'happiness first' ethos, providing a blend of self-directed online learning, live lessons, mentoring, and community activities. Hugh explains how MVA caters to diverse student needs, including those facing mental health challenges and neurodivergent learners, creating an educational environment where happiness and well-being are prioritized.

The conversation also touches upon the challenges and opportunities in setting up such a venture and the broader implications for the future of education.

00:00 Introduction to the School Can't Experience Podcast

01:28 Meet Hugh Viney: From Musician to Education Innovator

03:14 The Birth of Minerva Tutors: Tutoring for Happiness

05:44 COVID-19 and the Rise of Online Learning

07:25 Creating Minerva Virtual Academy: A New Kind of School

09:55 Navigating Bureaucracy: Accreditation and Recognition

15:15 A Day in the Life of an MVA Student

22:37 Exploring Online School Clubs and Activities

22:59 Building a Sense of Community in Online Schools

24:22 Addressing Student Safety and Belonging

25:36 Supporting Neurodivergent and Mental Health Needs

28:06 Challenges and Solutions in Online Education

33:46 Recruiting and Training Online Teaching Staff

36:53 Advice for Parents and Educators

39:02 The Future of Education: Choice and Flexibility

42:49 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Recommended Resources

Minerva Virtual Academy: https://www.minervavirtual.com/
Hugh on LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/hugh-viney
Hugh’s website & links to other social media: http://hughviney.com/
Save Victorian Parent Helpline Petition: https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/save-parentline

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#35 - Unschooling Ourselves with Esther Jones

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Esther Jones, a UK-based parent and unschooling advocate and author of The Parent's Handbook to Unschooling Yourself.

Esther shares her personal journey of unschooling her three children and the principles behind the philosophy. We explore how parents can inadvertently present the biggest challenges to unschooling success, the importance of self-compassion, and how to foster an individualised, supportive and engaging learning environment.

Discover practical advice and insights on transitioning from traditional schooling to an unschooling approach, and learn about the significance of building a positive relationship with your child.

00:00 Welcome

01:05 Meet Esther Jones: A Journey to Unschooling

03:22 Defining Unschooling: A Philosophical Approach

05:32 The Challenges and Benefits of Unschooling

08:15 Navigating Parental Fears and Triggers

10:45 Embracing Enoughness and Connection

18:49 The Role of Curiosity and Natural Learning

23:52 Mindfulness in Action

24:24 Learning Through Conversations

27:50 Navigating Triggers and Self-Compassion

30:14 The Role of the Parent in Unschooling

36:10 Transitioning from School to Unschooling

42:52 Wrapping Up and Resources

Recommended Resources

Esther Jones’ Website - https://www.esther-jones.com/
Save Victorian Parent Helpline Petition: https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/save-parentline

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#34 - NeuroWild’s Em Hammond on the problem with ‘Just Have a Go’

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 06:00:00 +1100

Em Hammond of Neurowild joins us for this special episode. Em, a speech therapist and illustrator, emphasizes the importance of understanding and supporting neurodivergent children, particularly in educational settings.

We talk through Em’s resource called ‘Reasons Why Autistic Kids May Not Be OK With ‘Having a Go’ and why this request can be ableist, dismissive of our kids experience and ultimately traumatising. Em highlights the importance of validating children's experiences and asking them about the best ways we can offer them support that actually helps..

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:26 Introducing Em Hammond: NeuroWild

03:43 Supporting Neurodivergent Kids in Education

05:37 Challenges with Educators and Neurodiversity

07:14 The Importance of Context and Communication

09:59 The 'Have a Go' Dilemma

19:31 Understanding Neurodivergent Kids' Needs

21:26 The Pressure of Being Perceived

22:42 The Fear of Failure and Its Impact

23:37 Logical and Analytical Thinking in Kids

26:47 Gestalt Language Processing in Neurodivergent Kids

35:27 Understanding Ableism

39:50 Resources and Support for Parents

Recommended Resources

Reasons Why Autistic Kids May Not be OK with Having a Go: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1SBA4mzbNH/
Neurowild on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/p/NeuroWild-100087870753308
Neurowild on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neurowild_/?hl=en
TeachersPayTeachers Resources: https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/store/emily-hammond-neurowild
Save Victorian Parent Helpline Petition: https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/save-parentline

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#33 - Listener Favourite - Monique Mitchelson

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 06:00:00 +1000

Happy school holidays (in Australia) to all who celebrate. As a holiday special we are revisiting this popular episode, an interview with clinical psychologist Monique Mitchelson.

We explore the often misunderstood concept of resilience, especially for our neurodivergent young people.

Monique, who is autistic and ADHD herself, shares her journey and highlights the challenges and necessary shifts in education systems to support neurodivergent children and young people. Together, they discuss the limitations of traditional exposure therapy, the impact of sensory overload, and the importance of adopting neurodiversity-affirming practices in schools.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Monique Mitchelson

02:36 Understanding Neurodiversity Affirming Therapy

05:30 Challenges of Mainstream Schooling for Neurodivergent Kids

07:21 Defining and Misunderstanding Resilience

11:38 Exposure Therapy and Its Limitations

18:41 The Importance of a Supportive Environment

25:41 Advocating for Neurodivergent Children

30:58 Resources and Final Thoughts

Recommended Resources

The Autism CRC updated guidelines Supporting Autistic Children Guideline | Autism CRC - https://www.autismcrc.com.au/best-practice/supporting-children
National Autism Strategy | Department of Social Services - https://www.dss.gov.au/national-autism-strategy
Dr. Ross Greene - https://drrossgreene.com/
Polyvagal Theory — Rhythm of Regulation Deb Dana - https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/polyvagal-theory
Polyvagal Exercises for Safety and Connection: 50 Client-Centered Practices (Norton Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology): 9780393713855: Medicine & Health Science Books @ Amazon.com by Deb Dana - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393713857?tag=&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
The Sensory Pyramid of Learning - Foundation for Development - DEVELOP LEARN GROW - https://developlearngrow.com/the-pyramid-of-learning/

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#32 - How GPs can support School Can't families with Dr Kara Johns

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Dr Kara Johns to discuss the crucial role that General Practitioners (GPs) can play in supporting families struggling with School Can’t.

Dr. Johns, a GP from South Australia, shares her personal and professional insights on handling School Can't situations. They explore the importance of building strong GP-family relationships, navigating the Australian health system, and the Medicare safety net.

The episode also touches on the impact of emotional health on children's school attendance and provides practical advice for parents dealing with similar challenges.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Dr. Kara Johns

01:42 Kara's Personal Experience with School Can't

07:16 Understanding the Role of a GP

11:22 Building a Productive Partnership with Your GP

13:44 Navigating Appointment Lengths and Expectations

18:45 Supporting Families with School Can't

20:42 The Importance of Primary Attachment in Child Development

21:41 Challenges in the School System and Parental Advocacy

23:48 The Role of GPs in Supporting Families

30:27 Navigating the Australian Health System

39:11 Resources and Support for Families

42:00 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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#31 - Insights from the Australian Network for School Attendance Conference

Tue, 16 Sep 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt discusses the recent Australian Network for School Attendance Conference with Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers from School Can't Australia.

They share valuable insights and highlights from the event, discussing various topics such as the impact of stressors on student attendance, the importance of lived experience in shaping policies, and the complexities surrounding school attendance difficulties.

They explore the terminology used to describe school attendance issues, how schools can use imputed diagnosis to access NCCD funding, and gaps in the perspectives of students, educators, and parents.

Recommended Resources

Conference program: https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/australian-network-for-school-attendance-ansa-conference-registration-1261023377869
Student Stress Investigation cards: https://www.studentstressinvestigation.com.au/
Save Victorian Parent Helpline Petition: https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/save-parentline
NCCD - Imputing Disability: https://www.nccd.edu.au/tools/imputing-disability-nccd
NCCD Resources for parents and guardians - https://www.nccd.edu.au/resources-and-tools/roles/parents-guardians-and-carers-14

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#30 - Simone & Yani's Lived Experience

Tue, 09 Sep 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In our first parent/young person duet episode, Simone and her teenager Yani share their journey through years of school struggles, home education, and eventually finding a path forward that works. Together, they talk openly about the challenges of separation anxiety, dyslexia, School Can’t, and the toll it takes on both parent and child.

What shines through is their honesty, resilience, and the strength of their relationship as they navigate tough choices and moments of relief - from difficult mornings at the school gate to the freedom of “Beach Day.” Yani reflects on what it’s like to be a young person who simply couldn’t do school in the usual way, while Simone offers the perspective of a parent trying to balance care, work, and self-doubt.

This conversation will resonate with parents facing similar challenges, and offer valuable insight for educators and professionals seeking to better understand and support families living with School Can’t

00:00 Introduction to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Meet Yani and Simone

02:08 Early School Experiences: Daycare and Kinder

06:05 Struggles with Mainstream Primary School

24:04 Transition to High School and Lockdown Challenges

27:06 Embracing Home Education

34:13 Finding a New Path: TAFE and Future Plans

39:57 Reflections and Closing Thoughts

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#29 - Symone Wheatley-Hey's Lived Experience

Tue, 02 Sep 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt speaks with Symone Wheatley-Hey, an advocate for neurodivergent voices in education.

Symone shares her personal journey of navigating 'School Can't' as a sole parent to two neurodivergent children. The discussion covers Symone's experiences with home education, the impact of PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance) on schooling, and the transformation her family underwent to overcome educational challenges.

Symone also discusses the positive changes in her children's school and their re-integration into the education system.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Symone Wheatley-Hey

02:27 Understanding Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA)

07:58 Freddie's Story: Early Signs and Struggles

11:29 The Challenges of Homeschooling

25:05 Returning to School: A New Beginning

29:24 The Four Corners Experience

33:04 Final Thoughts and Resources

Recommended Resources

Twinkl (educational resources) - https://www.twinkl.com.au/
Jonelle Fraser, Aurora Education - https://jonellefraser.com/
Four Corners Episode - The Kids who Can’t Go to School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSdhuqj04vQ
Dr Mona Delahooke -
https://monadelahooke.com
Dr Ross Greene and Collaborative Proactive Solutions https://livesinthebalance.org
Dr Alfie Kohn. (Rewards & Motivation) https://www.alfiekohn.org
Maggie Dent, especially her book “help me help my teen” https://www.maggiedent.com
Dr Natalie Thompson is at Charles Sturt University
https://study.csu.edu.au/find-courses/short-courses/microcredential-courses/intro-disability-affirming-classrooms
Love after love by Derek Walcott

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#28 - Dr Naomi Fisher on Parental Burnout

Tue, 26 Aug 2025 06:00:00 +1000

Returning guest Dr. Naomi Fisher joins host Leisa Reichelt and School Can’t Australia’s Tiffany Westphal and returning guest Dr. Naomi Fisher to deep dive into the pressing issue of parental burnout.

Dr. Fisher, Clinical Psychologist and expert in supporting parents with burned out School Can’t kids, provides valuable insights into recognizing, understanding, and combating burnout among parents and carers.

You’ll get practical tips for self-care that are achievable even for parents who have little or no time to themselves. We also discuss the impact of systemic pressures and strategies for managing chronic stress.

Whether you’re a burned out parent or supporting someone who is in or near burnout, this episode offers a way to understand what is going on and what can be done to help make the journey a little more sustainable.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:26 Introducing Dr. Naomi Fisher and Parental Burnout

01:33 Understanding Burnout: Signs and Symptoms

03:49 The Impact of School on Parental Burnout

04:47 Challenges of Home Education

06:35 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Parenting

09:58 Social Isolation and Judgment

14:46 Inner Critic and Self-Compassion

19:12 Rewriting Your Parenting Narrative

22:30 Naming Your Inner Voice

22:55 Creating Distance from Negative Thoughts

23:06 Self-Compassion and Friend Analogy

23:37 Thanking Your Inner Voice

23:51 Managing Threat Responses

25:28 Controlling Social Media Inputs

27:47 Systemic Impacts on Parental Burnout

30:11 Questioning the Education System

34:26 Sustainable Parenting Strategies

34:57 The Importance of Parental Self-Care

36:37 Dealing with Shame and Household Expectations

39:51 Investing in Mental Health

41:13 Resources for Burnt Out Parents

42:28 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Recommended Resources

Understanding Burnout in our Children (Naomi’s previous episode on the pod) - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/16923733
Naomi’s website (books, courses, webinars) - https://naomifisher.co.uk/
Think Again: Naomi’s substack/newsletter -

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#27 - Diana's Lived Experience

Tue, 19 Aug 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode, you’ll meet Diana, a mother of two young people with School Can’t experiences. Diana joins host Leisa Reichelt to candidly share her experiences supporting her son James through his struggles with mainstream schooling.

From early signs like separation anxiety and hating birthday parties and swimming lessons, to the challenges of advocating for access to Distance Education including supports for undertaking the Higher School Certificate (HSC).

Diana’s story includes topics like deschooling, misdiagnosis, and the importance of tailored support.

Content warning: This episode briefly mentions a suicide threat. Please take care when listening.

00:00 Introduction to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:29 Meet Diana: A School Can't Mum

02:12 Early Signs and Challenges

08:03 The High School Struggle

17:29 Navigating Distance Education

19:46 Coping Strategies and Support

24:59 James' Journey to University

37:31 Reflections and Advice

40:30 Closing Remarks and Resources

Recommended Resources

Uniting Youth Enhanced Support Service (YESS): Northern Sydney - https://www.uniting.org/services/mental-health/facility/yess-youth-enhanced-support-service-yess-northern-sydney-northern-beaches
Growing Yourself Up by Jennie Brown (Book) - https://www.amazon.com.au/Growing-Yourself-Up-bring-relationships/dp/1925335194
Understanding Deschooling with Pavlina McMaster and Heidi Ryan (Podcast Episode) - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17100428

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#26 - Kate & Daniel's Lived Experience

Tue, 12 Aug 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by South Australian parents Kate and Daniel, who discuss their experiences caring for three neurodivergent children, two of whom they are currently home educating.

They share their challenges with the traditional school system, the transition to home education, the realities of day to day life and low demand parenting, and strategies they use to support their children's learning and wellbeing.

Kate and Daniel share candidly the complexities of home educating neurodiverse young people who have experienced school trauma, whilst balancing the challenges of societal expectations, and the importance of leaning on community support.

00:00 Introduction to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:19 Meet Kate and Daniel: South Australian Parents

02:13 Early Signs and Diagnosis

03:42 The Struggles of Traditional Schooling

05:27 Transition to Home Education

08:58 Daily Life and Challenges of Home Education

19:44 The Emotional and Social Impact on Parents

26:19 Reflections and Advice for Other Parents

30:38 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

Home Education Network website: https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Home Educaton Network on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HomeEducationNetwork

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#25 - Nicola's Lived Experience

Tue, 05 Aug 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by School Can't mum Nicola, who shares her family's journey through School Can’t challenges.

Nicola discusses the challenges her family has faced in finding the best way to support her children in their well being as well as their education. She shares the challenges of shifting her mindset, having come from a background that valued academics. Nicola talks about her grief for the life she imagined she would have and having to give up her career. The conversation also covers the relief that moving to Home Education has brought the family.

Nicola focuses on the importance of maintaining a strong parent-child connection, and reaching out for support to come to terms with becoming a carer.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:28 Meet Nicola

02:07 Early Signs and Struggles

06:31 The Turning Point: Seeking Help

08:09 Embracing Home Education

09:04 Balancing Career and Family

11:38 Navigating Grief and Acceptance

19:09 Insights on Home Education

25:51 Final Thoughts and Resources

Recommended Resources

How to Keep House While Drowning (book) - https://www.amazon.com.au/How-Keep-House-While-Drowning/dp/1529159415/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0
Home Education Network - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Home Education Registration around Australia - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/home-ed-registration-around-australia/
Carer Gateway - https://www.carergateway.gov.au/

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#24 - Jane's Lived Experience

Tue, 29 Jul 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this heartfelt episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Jane, a School Can’t parent.

Jane shares her journey with her son Johnny, who was diagnosed with ADHD and autism, and the struggles they faced within the school system. Despite a series of setbacks, Jane's advocacy led to finding a supportive educational environment where Johnny is now thriving.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:52 Jane's Introduction and Family Background

01:27 Early School Challenges and ADHD Diagnosis

04:35 Struggles with Medication and School Environment

06:55 Transition to Year One and Autism Diagnosis

10:17 Year Two: Escalating Challenges and Seeking Solutions

18:57 Finding the Right School and Transitioning

21:35 Johnny's Progress and Thriving in the New School

27:56 Reflections and Advice for Other Parents

31:44 Closing Remarks and Resources

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NeuroWild on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neurowild_
NeuroWild on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/p/NeuroWild-100087870753308/

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#23 - Eliza Fricker's Lived Experience

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Louise Rogers from School Can't Australia and their guest, Eliza Fricker.

Eliza, known for her insightful School Can't Illustrations and webinars, shares her personal journey of navigating 'School Can't' with her daughter. They discuss the challenges of the school environment, the emotional toll on parents, and the eventual transition to a trauma-informed educational setting.

Eliza's candid conversation highlights the importance of parental instincts, the need for community support, and the significance of maintaining a strong parent-child connection.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:28 Introducing Eliza Fricker

01:23 Eliza's Journey: From Illustrator to Advocate

02:46 Early Signs and Nursery School Challenges

05:16 Struggles in Primary School

11:52 The Breaking Point and Transition to Home Education

14:06 Finding a Trauma-Informed Educational Setting

17:50 Reflections on Parenting and Advocacy

28:50 Current Status and Future Outlook

32:37 Closing Thoughts and Resources

Recommended Resources

Eliza on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elizafricker_missingthemark/?hl=en
Eliza on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MissingTheMark1
Eliza’s website (including all her books): https://missingthemark.co.uk/
Low Demand Parenting Online Course with Eliza & Dr Naomi Fisher: https://naomi-fisher.mykajabi.com/low-demand-parenting
Pam Leo, Connection Parenting: https://connectionparenting.com/

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#22 - Lived Experience Common Themes

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt compiles into stories shared by six parents—Jennie, Marissa, Mark, Jane, Emma, and Lisa—who talk about their struggles and revelations while caring for children who struggle with school attendance.

From early signs of stress and school-related anxiety to burnout, the episode highlights common themes like masking, parent blaming, and the importance of understanding nervous system responses.

As parents shift their focus from compliance-based pressures to well-being, they share transformative journeys that led to better outcomes for their children and themselves. Tune in for heartfelt stories that underline the challenges and breakthroughs experienced by families navigating the School Can't journey.

00:48 School-Related Anxiety Starts Early and Is Often Missed

06:33 Masking at school, meltdowns at home

08:43 Burnout and Shutdown: When School Becomes Impossible

12:35 School Pressure and Systemic Pushback

18:07 Relief and Recovery Through Removing Pressure

22:35 Finding New Pathways and Rebuilding Autonomy

24:32 Whole Family Healing and Self-Discovery

27:12 More Information and Resources

Lived Experience Episodes:

Lisa McLean - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17421617

Mark Thompson - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17343389

Marissa Taylor - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/17012454

Jennie Plummer - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/16923948

Emma Gilmour - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/16887755

Jane Nicholson - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/16803563

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#21 - School Based Stressors with Tiffany Westphal

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 06:00:00 +1000

This episode features a conversation with Tiffany Westphal, Director at School Can't Australia. With host, Leisa Reichelt, Tiffany helps us explore the top six school-based stressors identified in a survey conducted for the Senate Inquiry into School Refusal.

They discuss the nature of stressors, and the key findings from the research, providing valuable insights for parents, carers, and educators to better support children struggling with school attendance and distress. Discover practical advice on identifying and addressing stressors and empowering students to self-advocate for their needs.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

01:04 Introduction to Tiffany Westphal and School Can't Australia

02:48 Understanding School-Based Stressors

06:38 Key Findings from the Research

08:01 Top Stressors Affecting Students

09:25 Challenges in Communicating Distress

12:49 Schoolwork not of Interest

17:21 Teacher and School Expectations

19:21 Difficulties Meeting Expectation of Self

19:45 School Placing Responsibility on Student to Change

21:15 Strategies for Supporting Students

25:54 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

School Based Stressors (School Can’t Australia) - https://www.schoolcantaustralia.com.au/sca-articles/school-based-stressors
School Can’t Australia Response to Senate Inquiry into School Refusal (PDF) - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/650b88a22a161901937f376c/t/654b065138c56659cc37f3f3/1699415633581/Response+to+Inquiry+recommendations-+SCA.pdf
Student Stress Investigation Cards - https://www.studentstressinvestigation.com.au/

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#20 - Lived Experience with Lisa McLean

Tue, 01 Jul 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Lisa McLean as they discuss her daughter Mia's struggles with school attendance and anxiety.

Lisa shares her family's journey from identifying early signs of anxiety in primary school, navigating high school challenges, understanding the mind-body connection, to ultimately finding alternative educational pathways.

They discuss the stress and pressure felt by the entire family, the impact of trauma, and strategies such as homeschooling and mental health support and how Mia has emerged from the experience as an independent young person, optimistic for a rewarding future.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Lisa McLean and Her Family

01:41 Early Signs and Struggles in Primary School

03:42 Challenges in High School

04:53 Seeking Help and Initial Interventions

08:46 The Turning Point: Homeschooling and Alternative Education

16:08 The Impact of COVID-19 and Family Healing

23:19 Finding a New Path: TAFE and Independence

29:00 Reflections and Advice for Other Parents

33:11 Closing Remarks and Resources

Recommended Resources

The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk (Book) - https://www.amazon.com.au/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748
When the Body Says No by Gabor Mate (Book) - https://drgabormate.com/book/when-the-body-says-no/
Lisa’s things she wished she knew (from one mum to another): https://stan.store/Calmlifeproject/p/what-i-wish-i-knew-from-one-mum-to-another
Lisa’s instragram: https://www.instagram.com/calmlifeproject/
Lisa’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/calmlifeproject

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#19 - Executive Function at School with Emma Brooksby

Tue, 24 Jun 2025 06:00:00 +1000

This week we’re talking with Emma Brooksby, Managing Director at U&I Educational Partners, about the demands school places on executive function.

Emma, who has ADHD and a background as a school principal, shares her journey and offers insights into how executive function challenges manifest in educational settings and ways to support students who have executive function challenges.

We explore strategies to help kids succeed despite executive function challenges and Emma also highlights alternative educational pathways and resources available.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:55 Meet Emma Brooksby: From Principal to Advocate

01:20 Emma's Journey with ADHD and Executive Function

02:16 COVID-19 and the Opportunity for Educational Change

05:22 Founding U & I Educational Partners

06:14 Understanding Executive Function

09:22 Impact of Executive Dysfunction in School

14:01 Common Executive Function Challenges

07:17 Supporting Kids with Executive Function Issues

33:59 Alternative Educational Settings

37:34 Resources for Parents and Caregivers

38:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Recommended Resources

U&I Educational Partners - https://www.uandi.com.au/
Goblin Tools, Magic To Do - https://goblin.tools/
Harvard Centre on the Developing Child - https://developingchild.harvard.edu/
Learning to Plan and be Organised (book) by Kathleen Nadeau - https://www.amazon.com.au/Learning-Plan-Be-Organized-Executive/dp/1433822172

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#18 - Lived Experience with Mark Thompson

Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:00:00 +1000

This week we return to our Lived Experience series and host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Mark Thompson, a father of two daughters from the south coast of New South Wales.

Mark shares the struggles and triumphs of raising his autistic daughter, codename Bluey, as she faces challenges with attending school. From the daycare where Bluey thrived, to the increasing difficulties in preschool and beyond, Mark shares their journey through the education system.

He discusses their eventual decision to home educate, the family stresses, and the myriad of strategies they employed to support Bluey.

Mark emphasizes trusting the gut instincts of both parents and children and the importance of finding a supportive community.

00:00 Welcome

00:28 Introducing Mark Thompson and His Family

01:37 Early School Challenges with Bluey

04:09 Navigating Autism Diagnosis and School Supports

07:13 Struggles with School and Transition to Homeschooling

15:32 Homeschooling Journey and Personal Reflections

19:51 The Importance of Community and Support

22:09 Closing Thoughts and Resources

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#17 - Dr Ross Greene on Collaborative and Proactive Solutions (CPS) for School Can’t

Tue, 10 Jun 2025 06:00:00 +1000

Dr. Ross Greene, founder of the Collaborative and Proactive Solutions (CPS) model joins host Leisa Reichelt and guest Louise Rogers from School Can't Australia in this episode of the School Can't Experience podcast.

Dr. Greene explains the philosophy behind CPS, focusing on identifying and solving problems that cause challenging behaviours rather than just addressing the behaviours themselves. He discusses practical strategies for engaging children and young people in problem-solving, the importance of seeking information from the young person, and the importance of not imposing solutions unilaterally.

Dr. Greene also highlights creative methods for communicating with reluctant children and the role of mutual satisfaction in finding effective solutions.

We also discuss how to involve schools in the CPS process, and potentially readjust our expectations around school attendance as we learn more.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast
00:27 Introduction to Dr. Ross Greene and CPS Model
01:13 Understanding the CPS Approach
01:58 Addressing School Refusal and Unsolved Problems
04:19 Collaborative Problem Solving with Kids
07:37 Creative Strategies for Engaging Kids
11:01 Prioritizing and Solving Multiple Problems
19:36 Involving Schools in the CPS Process
27:11 Managing Expectations and Flexibility
39:01 Resources and Final Thoughts

Recommended Resources
- Lives in the Balance (CPS Resources) - https://livesinthebalance.org/
- The Essential Conversation by Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot - http://www.saralawrencelightfoot.com/essential-conversation.html

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#16 - Transforming Communication with Adelle Sushames, Neurodiverse Ally

Tue, 03 Jun 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by clinical psychologist Adelle Sushames to discuss innovative methods for improving communication with neurodivergent children.

Adelle shares her journey, introduces the card decks she has created (Spoon Thieves, Spoon Savers, ND Me), and explains how these tools help children articulate their experiences and needs.

The conversation covers the challenges of traditional deficit models in psychology, the importance of affirming language, and practical strategies for parents and educators to foster better understanding and support for autistic and ADHD kids.

Adelle shares valuable insights into how we can facilitate communication when communication is hard, and the benefits of using non-verbal tools to reduce stress for both children and caregivers.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Adelle Sushames: Clinical Psychologist and Card Deck Creator

01:09 Adelle's Journey to Understanding Neurodivergence

06:17 Challenges in Communication with Neurodivergent Kids

14:16 Using Spoon Theory to Understand Energy Drain

21:46 Spoon Savers: Tools to Replenish Energy

23:36 Applying Card Decks in Real Life

27:07 Empowering Schools with Spoons at School Cards

29:17 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

Join Adelle’s mailing list or buy her card decks: https://www.neurodivergentally.com/
Adelle on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/neurodivergent_ally/
Student Stress Investigation card deck (Tiffany Westphal) https://www.studentstressinvestigation.com.au/
Dr Dan Siegel’s Hand Model of the Brain - https://drdansiegel.com/hand-model-of-the-brain/

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#15 - Unpacking Resilience for Neurodivergent Kids with Monique Mitchelson

Tue, 27 May 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt chats with clinical psychologist Monique Mitchelson, co-host of the Neurodivergent Woman Podcast.

They explore the often misunderstood concept of resilience, especially for our neurodivergent young people.

This conversation is invaluable for parents, caregivers, and educators striving to support neurodivergent students effectively.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

00:27 Introducing Monique Mitchelson

02:36 Understanding Neurodiversity Affirming Therapy

05:30 Challenges of Mainstream Schooling for Neurodivergent Kids

07:21 Defining and Misunderstanding Resilience

11:38 Exposure Therapy and Its Limitations

18:41 The Importance of a Supportive Environment

25:41 Advocating for Neurodivergent Children

30:58 Resources and Final Thoughts

Recommended Resources

The Autism CRC updated guidelines Supporting Autistic Children Guideline | Autism CRC - https://www.autismcrc.com.au/best-practice/supporting-children
National Autism Strategy | Department of Social Services - https://www.dss.gov.au/national-autism-strategy
Dr. Ross Greene - https://drrossgreene.com/
Polyvagal Theory — Rhythm of Regulation Deb Dana - https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/polyvagal-theory
Polyvagal Exercises for Safety and Connection: 50 Client-Centered Practices (Norton Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology): 9780393713855: Medicine & Health Science Books @ Amazon.com by Deb Dana - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393713857?tag=&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
The Sensory Pyramid of Learning - Foundation for Development - DEVELOP LEARN GROW -

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#14 Neurodiversity Affirming Therapy with Anna Clarke, Divergent Futures

Tue, 20 May 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by School Can’t Australia’s Tiffany Westphal and expert guest, Anna Clarke, to discuss the importance of neurodiversity affirming care.

Anna, a psychologist and play therapist, shares her personal and professional journey as a late-diagnosed autistic and ADHD individual. The conversation explores the principles and challenges of neuro affirming care, the role of play therapy in connecting with neurodivergent children, and the significance of consent in therapeutic settings.

Parents and carers will gain valuable insights into advocating for their neurodivergent children and finding the right professional support.

00:00 Welcome to the School Can't Experience Podcast

01:09 Meet Anna Clarke: A Journey to Neurodivergent Affirming Care

02:43 Understanding Play Therapy

08:30 The Importance of Consent in Therapy

17:20 Challenges in Finding Neurodiversity Affirming Practitioners

33:20 Guidance for Parents Seeking Neurodiversity Affirming Practitioners

37:15 Conclusion and Resources

Recommended Resources

Divergent Futures - https://www.divergentfutures.com/
How to be a good neurodivergent ally (PDF) - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/650b364b717f4b135be85c38/t/6800c11b72e0f14456551c18/1744879917597/How+to+be+a+good+ally+Neuroaffirming+edition.pdf

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#13 - Reducing Parental Stress with Jackie Hall, Parental Stress Centre

Tue, 13 May 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode of the 'School Can't Experience Podcast,' host Leisa Reichelt speaks with Jackie Hall, founder of the Parental Stress Center.

Jackie shares her journey to understanding the four ‘stressful thinking lenses’ that can make difficult parenting situations much more stressful, and how we can shift our mindset to alleviate distress. Jackie emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and challenges traditional beliefs about parenting and child behavior.

Jackie also offers practical advice on finding moments of joy and reframing negative experiences to boost our emotional resilience.

Recommended Resources

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#12 - Understanding Deschooling with Pavlina McMaster and Heidi Ryan

Tue, 06 May 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt is joined by Pavlina McMaster and Heidi Ryan to explore the concept of Deschooling. This is the first step in the transition to Home Education but the core concepts of Deschooling are valuable and reassuring to any School Can’t parent.

Pavlina and Heidi share their personal journeys and insights into how they successfully navigated Deschooling, addressed trauma linked to conventional schooling, and prioritized mental health.

They discuss the importance of community support and provide practical advice for parents and carers embarking on this path. Key themes include redefining education, the importance of parent/child connection, and understanding the gradual nature of this transformative process.

Recommended Resources

School Can’t Experience, Episode #5 - Home Education: Busting Myths and Misunderstandings with Pavlina McMaster - https://www.buzzsprout.com/2447546/episodes/16721920
Home Education Network (Australia) - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Victoria Home Schoolers and Unschoolers Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/victorianhomeschoolersandunschoolers
Home Education NSW - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationnsw
Home Education QLD Inc. - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationqldinc
Home Education Tasmania - https://www.facebook.com/groups/876634649129826
Home Education WA (HEWA) - https://www.facebook.com/hewapage
South Australian Home Educators - https://www.facebook.com/groups/southaustralianhomeeducators
Home Educators Northern Terrritory Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1226268530873997
Home Education Canberra Facebook Group (ACT) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/165766030185476

Also search for Home Education Facebook groups in your city or local area.

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#11 - Lived Experience - Solving problems using low demand parenting and collaboration with Marissa Taylor Part 2

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this second part of Marissa Taylor’s Lived Experience episode we learn about how discovering low demand parenting and particularly the importance of collaboration through Dr Ross Greene’s CPS (Collaborative and Proactive Solutions) method was transformative for Marissa at a time when she was unsure how best to support her School Can’t children. Marissa shares some interesting ways she’s used CPS in her family and shares how she maintains confidence in taking a non conventional approach to parenting.

Recommended Resources

Dr Ross Green - Lives in the Balance website for CPS - https://livesinthebalance.org/
https://illumelearning.com.au/ CPS workshops with Dr Ross Green, and more - https://illumelearning.com.au/
Dr Dan Siegel - https://drdansiegel.com/
Dr Stephen Porges, Polyvagal Institute - https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/
Dr Mona Delahooke - https://monadelahooke.com/
Dr Vanessa Lapointe - https://drvanessalapointe.com/
The Educating Parents Homeschooling and Unschooling group (Facebook) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheEducatingParents/

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#10 - Lived Experience - School Can’t Domino Effect with Marissa Taylor Part 1

Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this Lived Experience episode Marissa Taylor shares her family’s experience of School Can’t as her various children each subsequently but very uniquely have their own School Can’t Experiences. Marissa shares the very different experiences she’s had dealing with schools in this journey and her learning curve into Home Education.

This is Part 1 of our discussion with Marissa. In Part 2 she will share how Dr Ross Greene’s Collaborative and Proactive Solutions (CPS) model has been transformative for her family.

Recommended Resources

Dr Ross Green - Lives in the Balance website for CPS - https://livesinthebalance.org/

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#9 - Lived Experience - Trusting our guts and tuning out the noise with Jennie Plummer

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 06:00:00 +1000

In this Lived Experience episode we meet Jennie Plummer who shares her experience of supporting youngest daughter, Bethany, through her School Can’t Experience. Including her ADHD and Autism diagnosis, burnout, and equine supported recovery. Along the way Jennie learned to listen, trust her gut and tune out the loud opinions of others around her.

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#8 - Understanding burnout in our young people with Dr Naomi Fisher

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 06:00:00 +1000

Dr. Naomi Fisher joins host Leisa Reichelt and School Can’t Australia director Tiffany Westphal to explore how school can contribute to burnout in young people. They discuss recognizing burnout, distinguishing it from anxiety or depression, and what parents can do to help.

Dr. Fisher, a clinical psychologist specializing in child development, trauma, and self-directed education, supports parents of neurodivergent children struggling in traditional schooling. She advocates for alternative education approaches that prioritize autonomy and well-being. Her books, including Changing Our Minds and A Different Way to Learn, empower parents to rethink education, while her latest, The Teenager's Guide to Burnout, offers essential guidance on stress and recovery.

Recommended Resources:

Naomi’s website (books, courses, webinars) - https://naomifisher.co.uk/
Think Again: Naomi’s substack/newsletter - https://naomicfisher.substack.com

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#7 - Lived Experience - Connecting with passion to overcome burnout with Emma Gilmour

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this episode, host Leisa Reichelt interviews Emma Gilmour, mum to two neurodivergent teens. Emma shares her experience supporting her younger daughter through her journey through discovering her neurodivergence, her School Can’t experience and autistic burnout, and how connecting with passion while reducing demands has helped her daughter to find her way back.

Content warning: includes discussion of self harm and suicidal thoughts, though not discussed in detail. Take care when listening and please reach out for support if you need it.

Emma’s recommended resources:

Kristy Forbes - In Tune with PDA - https://www.kristyforbes.com.au/pda
Eliza Fricker’s books - https://missingthemark.co.uk
Dr Naomi Fisher (books, webinars, courses) - https://naomifisher.co.uk/
Viv Dawes - Autistic Burnout resources - https://www.autisticadvocate.co.uk/autistic-burnout

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#6 - Lived Experience - Our Journey to Unschooling with Jane Nicholson

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:00:00 +1100

In this first 'Lived Experience' episode, Jane Nicholson, mother of three neurodivergent boys, shares her family's challenges with mainstream schooling and their decision to home educate two of their sons due to ‘School Can’t’ induced stress and trauma.

Jane discusses the deschooling process, creating a flexible educational Unschooling environment, the challenges of finding your Home Education ‘tribe’ and the mental health benefits of Home Education.

If you have a School Can't Experience that you'd like to share on a future Lived Experience episode, you can email us at schoolcantpodcast@gmail.com

Useful resources:

Dr Ross Greene’s Collaborative Problem Solving (CPS) framework - https://livesinthebalance.org/
Dr Naomi Fisher’s book, ‘Changing Our Minds’ - https://naomifisher.co.uk/books/changing-our-minds/
Accidental Homeschool - Jane’s blog about their experience with home education - https://www.accidentalhomeschool.com/

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#5 - Home Education: Busting Myths and Misunderstandings with Pavlina McMaster

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 06:00:00 +1100

Myth #1:Home Education is a last resort
Myth #2: I have to work so don’t have time to Home Educate
Myth #3: I’m not smart/educated enough to teach my kids
Myth #4: Home Education restricts our kids future opportunities
Myth #5: Home Education kids miss out on social opportunities.

Useful resources:

Home Education Network (Australia) - https://home-ed.vic.edu.au/
Victoria Home Schoolers and Unschoolers Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/victorianhomeschoolersandunschoolers
Home Education NSW - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationnsw
Home Education QLD Inc. - https://www.facebook.com/groups/homeeducationqldinc
Home Education Tasmania - https://www.facebook.com/groups/876634649129826
Home Education WA (HEWA) - https://www.facebook.com/hewapage
South Australian Home Educators - https://www.facebook.com/groups/southaustralianhomeeducators
Home Educators Northern Terrritory Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1226268530873997
Home Education Canberra Facebook Group (ACT) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/165766030185476

Also search for Home Education Facebook groups in your city or local area. There are many!

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#4 - Unpacking Psychological Safety

Wed, 05 Feb 2025 21:00:00 +1100

In this episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, hosted by Leisa Reichelt and featuring Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers from School Can't Australia, we discuss:

Taking the lead and leaning on supporters when engaging with schools,
Optimistic stories of alternative schools that cater well to children with School Can't,
Understanding the need for psychological safety and what creates or destroys safety at school.

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#3 - Advocating for Accommodations

Wed, 05 Feb 2025 11:00:00 +1100

Welcome to the third episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast by School Can't Australia. Hosted by Leisa Reichelt and featuring Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers. This episode explores:

strategies for working with schools to obtain supports and accommodations for children struggling with school attendance,
personal stories and practical advice,
discuss legislative protections to empower parents in advocating effectively for their children's needs,
the necessity of ongoing reassessment of accommodations, and
alternative educational pathways

Useful resources:

Disability Standards for Education Act (Australia) - https://www.legislation.gov.au/F2005L00767/latest/text
NCCD - Nationally Consistent Collection of Data (Australia) - https://www.nccd.edu.au/
Lives in the Balance (Dr Ross Greene’s Collaborative and Proactive Solutions) - https://livesinthebalance.org/

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#2 - From Awareness to Action

Wed, 05 Feb 2025 10:00:00 +1100

In the second episode of the School Can't Experience Podcast, host Leisa Reichelt, joined by Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers, explore:

the critical role parents and carers play in supporting young people struggling with 'School Can't' ,
recognizing early signs of distress, understanding the importance of the young person's perspective,
and the pitfalls of dismissing their struggles as phase-based behavior problems,
the importance of shared language about the nervous system, co-regulation strategies,
the inadequacy of reward-based systems, and
a call to prioritize a child's well-being over school attendance metrics.

Useful resources:

Student Stress Investigation Cards by Tiffany Westphal - https://www.studentstressinvestigation.com.au/
Lives in the Balance (Dr Ross Greene’s Collaborative and Proactive Solutions) - https://livesinthebalance.org/

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#1 - Getting to grips with School Can't

Wed, 05 Feb 2025 10:00:00 +1100

In the inaugural episode of the School Can't Experience podcast, host Leisa Reichelt introduces the concept of 'School Can't' alongside guests Tiffany Westphal and Louise Rogers.

The discussion delves into:

The intense challenges and emotional distress faced by young people who struggle to attend school including sharing personal experiences,
Why we say 'School Can't' instead of 'School Refusal',
Understanding the nervous system, the importance of addressing the root causes of distress, and the role of adults in providing a supportive environment,
Common stress factors in school environments,
Practical strategies for parents,
The importance of preserving the parent-child relationship and co-regulating for better outcomes.

Useful resources:

Student Stress Investigation Cards by Tiffany Westphal - https://www.studentstressinvestigation.com.au/
Lives in the Balance (Dr Ross Greene’s Collaborative and Proactive Solutions) - https://livesinthebalance.org/

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