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084: The Consequences of Christian Parenting "By the Book" with Marissa Burt, Kelsey McGinnis, and Meaghan Hampton

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Were you raised (and maybe harmed) in a Christian household that did parenting "by the book?"

Maybe you were a parent who was looking for resources to parent "the right way," Regardless of intent, research and time have shown the harmful impact of Christian parenting books and the myths they perpetuated.

In this conversation, we dive into the very real and lived effects on generations of children and adults, and how we look for more informed and honoring ways to move forward. We'll talk about patriarchy and hierarchy, spanking and discipline, and the ways that these messages set up compliant Christian children for future abuse.

Listen in for a compassionate look at at how we can approach parenting (and learning to reconcile with our own stories of how we were raised) with a more informed lens that balances both therapy and theology through a trauma-informed lens.

Guest Spotlight ✨

Marissa Franks Burt is a novelist, editor, teacher, and cohost of the At Home with the Lectionary and In the Church Library podcasts. She lives in a small town in Washington's Snoqualmie Valley with her husband, six children, and heaps of books.

Kelsey Kramer McGinnis is a musicologist, educator, and correspondent for Christianity Today, writing on worship practices and Christian subculture. She is an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines and previously worked at the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights.

Meaghan Hampton is a Christian therapist, writer, and parenting educator passionate about integrating faith, psychology, and neuroscience to support families on their journey toward healing and wholeness.

Links & Resources 🔗

Marissa: Website | Instagram | Substack

Kelsey: Website | Instagram | Substack | “In the Church Library” podcast

The Myth of Good Christian Parenting by Marissa Burt and Kelsey McGinnis | Amazon | Bookshop

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083: Megachurch Culture and Christian Nationalism with Scott Latta

Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:00:00 -0500

Is there a link between the rise of megachurches, Christian Nationalism, and spiritual abuse?

In this conversation with journalist and author Scott Latta, he exposes surprising findings from his research on how "successful" evangelical churches are driving much of the Christian Nationalism and abuse reported today. After interviewing survivors of spiritual abuse in America's megachurches, lawyers, and advocates, he reveals systemic gaps that allow misconduct to thrive, the effects on smaller churches, and how money and politics are at play. Tune in to hear numerous stories and examples, including Scott's own reflections from working in churches, discovered in his process of writing Gods of The Smoke Machine.

Guest Spotlight ✨

Scott Latta is an award-winning journalist who has spent a decade reporting for humanitarian organizations on conflict, displacement, and climate change around the world. He is the author of the new book, Gods of the Smoke Machine: Power, Pain, and the Rise of Christian Nationalism in the Megachurch, which explores how large churches coalesce power and political influence. He lives in Oregon.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Substack | BlueSky

Gods of the Smoke Machine | Amazon | Bookshop
Post Evangelical Collective
Restored Voices Collective

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082: Twelve Steps Toward the Life God Has for You with Ian Morgan Cron

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Do you feel broken beyond repair and just want life to be...better?

In this episode with Ian Morgan Cron, we talk about the use of the 12 steps—not just for managing common addictions, but for general well-being. You'll enjoy his perspective as a priest, author, and psychotherapist, as he emphasizes the importance of finding wholeness through making amends, releasing shame, and pursuing post-traumatic growth. Let's dive into his most recent book, The Fix, and explore how working the steps can benefit people who have experienced spiritual trauma.

Guest Spotlight ✨

Ian Morgan Cron is a bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, Episcopal priest, and the host of the wildly popular podcast, "Typology," which has over 20 million downloads. His books include the Enneagram primer The Road Back to You, which has sold over one million copies; as well as Chasing Francis; Jesus, My Father, the CIA, and Me; The Story of You; and his newest book, The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | Typology Institute | Typology Podcast

The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between | Amazon | Bookshop.org
The Story of You | Amazon | Bookshop.org
The Road Back to You | Amazon | Bookshop.org

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081: Making Polyvagal Theory Practical with Dr. Arielle Schwartz

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Are you looking for practical ways to heal from spiritual trauma?

In this episode with Dr. Arielle Schwartz, a licensed psychologist, you'll learn how to regulate, rebalance, and rewire your nervous system without having to relive your trauma. After spiritual abuse, it's common to feel on edge, in high alert, or entirely shut down. She explains why this happens and how to connect with our bodies again through breath, co-regulation, and other embodied practices for healing. Listen in for a practical understanding of polyvagal theory.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Dr. Arielle Schwartz is a licensed psychologist and leading voice in the healing of trauma. She is an internationally sought-out teacher and author of eight books including The Post-Traumatic Growth Guidebook, Therapeutic Yoga for Trauma, and Applied Polyvagal Theory in Yoga. As the founder of the Center for Resilience Informed Therapy, she offers a mind-body approach to therapy for trauma and informational mental health and wellness updates through her writing, public speaking, social media presence, and blog. She believes that the journey of trauma recovery is an awakening of the spiritual heart.

Website | Instagram | YouTube

Links & Resources 🔗

The Polyvagal Theory Workbook for Trauma by Arielle Schwartz | Amazon | Bookshop
The Complex PTSD Workbook | Amazon | Bookshop
Center for Resilience Informed Therapy

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080: The Harm of Spiritual Bypassing with Peridot Reed

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0500

Have you ever needed a hug but got a spiritual platitude instead?

In this episode, we discuss spiritual bypassing—what it is, how to identify it, and what to do when we’ve experienced it. I am joined by Peridot "Peri" Gilbert-Reed, Ph.D., a Licensed Professional Counselor and Registered Play Therapist. She has conducted extensive research on spiritual bypassing and shares her findings with us, along with several examples of what it sounds like. If you've experienced the intentional or unintentional harm of someone minimizing or demonizing your pain, listen in.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Peridot Gilbert-Reed, Ph.D., is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Registered Play Therapist as well as a supervisor in both areas. She received her Doctor of Philosophy in Psychology with a concentration in theology from Liberty University. Her research focuses on spiritual abuse and spiritual bypass (as received by another person). Her research, combined with her own lived experience with spiritual abuse, provides a unique lens into spiritual trauma and its impact. She is an adjunct professor for Liberty University.

Links & Resources 🔗

988 Crisis Hotline
Wounding Words: A Phenomenological Study of How Individuals Experience Receiving Spiritual Bypass | Dissertation by Peridot Reed, 2023
"Don't Spiritually Bypass Your Church-Hurt Neighbor" | Article by Peridot Reed with Christianity Today

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079: Joining Our Mission with Brian Lee

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Why does Broken to Beloved exist? And what difference does it make?

Over the last 2 years since we were founded as an organization, we've worked to provide quality resources for you to move toward healing and wholeness. And through programs like our Annual Summit, Cohorts, Book Club, and this Podcast, we've seen over 60,000 of you engage with us!

Thank you.

Thank you for being here, for your time, and for trusting us to continue working to create these programs for you.

And, we need your help. As we move to close out 2025, we're hoping to raise $7,000 in one-time donations and $3,100 in monthly donations. Giving Tuesday is December 2, and this is your invitation to join us in supporting our mission.

Donations make up almost 30% of our annual income, and we truly can't survive without you and your support. You are the heroes that allow us to continue this work.

Last year, it only took 55 people to help us raise over $10,000! This year, we're hoping a few more of you will join us reach our goal. We're looking for:

5 donors at $100/month
20 donors at $50/month
40 donors at $25/month
60 donors at $10/month

Would you consider becoming one of our 125 heroes by clicking here to support our mission? If you can give more, less, or want to give a one-time donation, you can also set that up here.

Get the full show notes here. 📄

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078: Seeking Hope in Anxious Seasons with Sara Billups

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How do you find hope when there are a million reasons to worry?

In this episode, Sara shows us ways to recognize and calm our anxieties around our bodies, churches, and politics. We talk through her latest book, Nervous Systems, which is full of spiritual practices for those seeking personal and collective peace. If you have been taught negative connotations around your anxiety, in this conversation, Sara helps reframe and normalize it—believing that Jesus meets us there with hope, not demand. We also talk about the anxious reality that many people with spiritual abuse face when re-entering the church or community. Sara shares how she has moved from suspicion and cynicism to slowly trusting again.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Sara Billups is a Seattle-based writer and cultural commentator whose work has appeared in the New York Times, Christianity Today, Aspen Ideas, and others. Sara writes Bitter Scroll, a monthly Substack letter and co-hosts the podcast That’s the Spirit. She earned a Doctor of Ministry in the Sacred Art of Writing at the Peterson Center for the Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary. Sara works to help wavering Christians remain steadfast through cultural storms and continues to hope for the flourishing of the Church amid deep political and cultural division in America. Her second book, Nervous Systems, will be released November 4, 2025, from Baker Books.

Website | Instagram | Bitter Scroll Substack

Nervous Systems by Sara Billups | Amazon | Bookshop
Orphaned Believers by Sara Billups | Amazon | Bookshop

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077: Seeking Wholeness in Low Seasons Justin McRoberts

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077: Seeking Wholeness in Low Seasons with Justin McRoberts

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0400

What if your anxiety and depression aren't going away any time soon?

Many have been taught that depression means you're broken, that sadness is a lack of faith, or that anxiety is a sign of weakness. This can feel hopeless, especially when the strongest prayers and medicine don't cure your condition. In this conversation with Justin McRoberts, we explore the concept of wholeness and challenge the idea that health is the absence of negative emotions and experiences. He talks about his latest book, co-written with Scott Erickson, In The Low: Honest Prayers for Dark Seasons, and how he has learned to embrace anxiety and depression. Your heart will stir as you hear his story and compassion for those stuck in the low, especially those who have lost their faith community due to spiritual abuse.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Justin McRoberts is an author, coach, speaker, and songwriter. For over 20 years, Justin has helped artists, ministers, and entrepreneurs find their way and solve problems in their creative processes. When he's not writing, speaking, or coaching, you can find him as the host of the At Sea Podcast. He lives in the East San Francisco Bay Area.

Website | Instagram | Podcast

Links & Resources 🔗

In the Low by Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson | Amazon | Bookshop
In the Absence of the Ordinary by Francis Weller | Amazon | Bookshop

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076: Healing From a Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts with Katherine Spearing

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Has it become clear how deeply you've been hurt?

Spiritual abuse can be so subtle, you don't even know that it's happened...until it's too late. In this episode, I talk with Katherine about her freshly launched book, A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts, and how to find life on the other side of spiritual abuse. We talk about the systems where religious control can be found, the process of leaving fundamentalist spaces, how to honor your emotions and see your body as your friend, the difference between singleness and loneliness, and how to diversify your community. This is a must listen for anyone seeking hope for healing.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Katherine is the founder of Tears of Eden, a nonprofit supporting survivors of spiritual abuse, and the former executive producer and host of the groundbreaking podcast Uncertain, a podcast that pioneered pivotal conversations around Spiritual Abuse. She also is a Certified Trauma Recovery Practitioner working primarily with clients who have survived cults, high-control environments, spiritual abuse, and sexual abuse.

Katherine is a huge advocate for the power of art to help us on our healing journey. She participates in improv theater both as a performer and coach and is the author of one novel. She has been a guest on a number of podcasts, including IndoctriNation and A Little Bit Culty, is the author of several nonfiction articles, and writes regularly at katherinespearing.com and tearsofeden.org.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Tears of Eden | Instagram | Newsletter

A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts by Katherine Spearing on Amazon | Bookshop
Continued Conversation with Heather Gargis
BITE Model of Authoritarian Control PDF download by Steven Hassan

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075: Revisiting our Values

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How can you know what to expect from Broken to Beloved?

Have you ever wondered how we make decisions or what guides our thought process? Have you wanted to know if you'll ever fit in or belong in this community?

In this week's episode, I hope to clear all of that up for you by telling you about our seven Core Values, all gathered in one place.

📝 Get the full show notes

Links & Resources 🔗

Support our mission with a monthly donation
Read about Our Values
Read “Responding in Reactionary Times” on Substack
Apply for the THROUGH Cohort

Similar Episodes You Might Like

Episode 066: Integrity and Theology with Meaghan Hampton
Episode 063: A Rebellion of Care with David Gate
Episode 061: Healing After Spiritual Trauma with Dr. Hillary McBride
Episode 036: Burning a Path to Renewal with Erin Moon
Episode 003: Making a Space for Everyone with Jenai Auman

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074: Fall Updates with Brian Lee

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Hey, it's Brian with a few short updates for you about this fall.

We've made the difficult decision to cancel our Gathering for this year, and to steward our time, energy, and resources into our most impactful programs.

If you registered, you should already have received an email about next steps. If you have not received an email, please reach out to us at info@brokentobeloved.org.

Applications for the THROUGH Cohort are now open, and limited scholarships are available. Apply today for our 8-week program.

If this podcast or our other programs have been helpful to you, would you consider becoming a monthly partner? Our goal is to raise $5,000 in monthly support, and we're about a fifth of the way there. Here's what we currently need:

5 supporters at $100/month
15 supporters at $50/month
50 supporters at $25/month
80 supporters at $10/month
95 supporters at $5/month

If you're able to join us, it would mean the world, and would go to directly support our mission to provide practical resources for recovery from and safeguarding against spiritual abuse. You can set up a monthly donation here.

Finally, we've hit 50K downloads! And it's all thanks to you, our listeners. I'd love to hear from you. Consider leaving a rating, review, or comment for us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or sharing with a friend.

I'm so grateful for you listening and for being here.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

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073: Rediscovering Identity through Enneagram Virtues with Hunter Mobley

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Has spiritual abuse caused you to feel like you've lost part of your identity?

One of the most common things I hear from the spiritual abuse community is that they feel like they don't know who they are anymore. Without organized religion, a sense of community, and all of the structures that once held you up, it's easy to feel lost or inherently broken. However, on this episode, Hunter Mobley, Enneagram teacher and author of Letting Go, Finding You, shares ways that you can rediscover who you've always been. He takes us through the nine enneagram types and shares contemplative spiritual disciplines that may feel like safe, accessible ways to hold on to your faith after deconstruction.

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Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Hunter is a gifted Enneagram teacher, author, attorney, and former pastor who brings deep insight and compassion to his work. He apprenticed under renowned Enneagram teacher Suzanne Stabile and now teaches alongside her and her husband, Joe Stabile, at their teaching center in Dallas, Texas. Based in Nashville, Tennessee, Hunter combines his diverse professional experiences with a heartfelt approach to spiritual growth. In 2020, Hunter authored 40 Days on Being a 2, part of the Enneagram Daily Reflections series, offering heartfelt insights for those with a Type Two personality. And recently published his new book, Letting Go, Finding You, which explores the Enneagram’s transformative power in helping individuals release limiting patterns and embrace their true essence.

Links & Resources 🔗

Letting Go, Finding You by Hunter Mobley | Amazon | Bookshop
Try Softer by Aundi Kobler | Amazon | Bookshop
The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron, Suzanne Stabile | Amazon | Bookshop

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072: Reclaiming Faith, Hope, and Love After Spiritual Abuse with Rachael Clinton Chen

Tue, 16 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Is healing from spiritual abuse actually possible?

The worst part of spiritual abuse is that it attempts to destroy your personhood, sense of safety with others, and imagination of a good God. It can feel like you are broken beyond repair. However, in this episode, Rachael Clinton Chen shares that healing is not only possible, but your faith, hope, and love can stay intact in spite of immense spiritual harm. She talks to us about the goodness that is available to us through experiences of healthy human attachment, spiritual formation, embodiment, and revisiting our stories in the presence of an empathetic witness.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Rachael is a trauma care practitioner, speaker, and pastoral leader. She serves as a lead instructor for the Allender Center at The Seattle School and is co-host of the Allender Center Podcast with Dr. Dan Allender. She holds a Master of Divinity from The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology and recently had the honor of being named by Sojourners as one of “9 Christian Women Shaping the Church in 2024.”

Rachael is devoted to addressing the harm of abuse – especially spiritual abuse – at the intersection of trauma, healing, embodiment and spiritual formation. She leads the Story Workshop for Spiritual Abuse & Healing and recently developed the Allender Center’s Spiritual Abuse & Healing Online Course, inviting survivors of spiritual abuse to journey together towards healing and reclamation.

Website | Instagram | The Allender Center Podcast

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071: Unearthing Buried Truths and Confronting our Culture with Chanchal Garg

Tue, 09 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Could spiritual abuse be more universal than we think?

In this eye-opening conversation with author and speaker Chanchal Garg, she shows that it doesn't matter what faith background you find yourself in; the underlying themes of spiritual abuse are universal. Chanchal shares her story of spiritual and sexual abuse in a South Asian context and talks openly about her experience in her debut memoir, Unearthed: The Lies We Carry & The Truths We Bury. She hopes survivors—across faith backgrounds—can find themselves beneath the false narratives they inherit from their families, cultures, and systems.

You'll hear how:

Cultural context shapes our understanding of identity
Navigating dual identities can be challenging
Surrender can be a complex process
Naming can be a powerful act of reclaiming identity
Self-compassion is crucial for personal growth

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Chanchal is a speaker, author, executive coach and conscious leadership facilitator.

For over seven years, she has facilitated Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business’ most popular elective course on interpersonal dynamics, impacting over 500 future business leaders. As the founder of Real Space, a thriving six-figure coaching business, she guides leaders to transcend cultural and societal constraints, harnessing their personal power in both work and life.

Chanchal is the author of Unearthed: The Lies We Carry & The Truths They Bury. Her expertise has been showcased through speaking engagements, including Lululemon’s International Women’s Day event, and podcasts such as She Has the Mic and The Healing Place.

Links & Resources 🔗

Unearthed by Chanchal Garg | Amazon | Bookshop
The Wisdom of Your Body by Dr. Hillary McBride | Amazon | Bookshop
IMPACT Personal Safety website

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070: Articulating Your Own Faith After Religious Control with Ben Cremer

Tue, 02 Sep 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Have you ever felt like you are disobeying God or being rebellious when you think independently about your faith?

For those who have been taught black-and-white answers about Christianity, stepping into the gray can feel unnerving because it calls us beyond the shores of certainty towards something more mysterious. But we know that certainty was never the point.

Ben Cremer joins us on this episode to talk through what it's been like for him to move away from binary thinking. He shares how to be challenged and changed through the practice of listening to marginalized voices, the difference between a false prophet and a true prophet, engaging politics with thoughtfulness, and how to build the faith communities we wish we had.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Ben is an author, speaker, and digital pastor with over 20 years of experience pastoring local churches. He writes at the intersection of politics and Christianity, his desire is to discover how we can move away from Christian nationalism, religious fundamentalism, and church hurt to reclaim the Gospel of Jesus together. He lives in Idaho with his wife and two small children.

Instagram | Newsletter | Podcast | Substack

Links & Resources 🔗

Pivot by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer | Amazon | Bookshop

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069: You Are Not Your Pain with Monica DiCristina

Tue, 26 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0400

What are the stories your pain is telling about you?

So often, we internalize ourselves as the problem when pain comes into our lives. However, in this episode, Monica DiCristina, the author of Your Pain Has a Name, helps us see that simply naming our pain can reveal our true selves hidden beneath it.

She invites us into an investigative process of getting curious about what our pain is saying and the meaning we make of it. You will learn about helpful starting points when your pain feels complex, the importance of being your own friend, exploring your family of origin, and how to offer tenderness towards the brilliant ways you've survived.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Monica DiCristina has been a practicing therapist for over fifteen years. She is also a sought-after speaker, podcaster, and writer on topics of emotional healing and mental health. Combining her extensive therapeutic knowledge with creativity, empathy, storytelling, and her deeply rooted faith, she is passionate about walking alongside those who are unraveling their difficult experiences and providing a path for them to do the brave and sacred work of transformation and healing.

Website | Instagram | Substack | Podcast

Links & Resources 🔗

Your Pain Has a Name by Monica DiCristina |Amazon | Bookshop

Other Episodes You May Like

Episode 001: Navigating Toxic Systems and Maintaining Agency with Dr. Alison Cook
Episode 039: Compassionate Awareness and Soft Words for Hard Days with Aundi Kolber

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068: How Writing Your Story Can Bring Healing with Megan Febuary

Tue, 19 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0400

After spiritual abuse, one of the first questions survivors ask is, "How did I end up here?"

If you have found yourself asking a similar question, writing can be an incredible way to discover that answer. In this episode, I speak with Megan Febuary, the author of Brave the Page. She shares how to go back to your earlier life scenes using a trauma-informed approach to fill in the missing pieces that may have drawn you to broken systems or relationships. Megan offers several tips to help you write your truth in a way that is honoring to your body and helpful in your search for healing.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Megan Febuary is a trauma-informed writing coach and the founder of the global storytelling platform and literary magazine For Women Who Roar. Called a leading expert in creative recovery, Megan received her MA from The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology, where she focused her research on the body as a storyteller.

Links & Resources 🔗

Brave the Page by Megan Febuary | Amazon | Bookshop
Picture This by Lynda Barry, cartoonist & educator | Amazon | Bookshop

Other Episodes You May Like
061: Healing After Spiritual Trauma with Dr. Hillary McBride
040: Making Sense of Your Story by Engaging Past Pain with Adam Young

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067: Renewing Your Relationship With Scripture with Zach Lambert

Tue, 12 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Is reading scripture hard for you?

Understandably, weaponized scripture makes it hard to want to pick up the bible ever again. But if you are at a place where you want to renew your relationship with scripture, in this episode, pastor and author Zach Lambert talks us through how we can read the bible in ways that lead to healing and wholeness. Zach talks to us about his brand-new book, Better Ways to Read the Bible, beginning by sharing his personal story. He shares how to be aware of the lenses we read scripture through and ways to replace harmful interpretations with healthy ones.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Zach is the Lead Pastor and co-founder of Restore. Born and raised in Austin, he holds a Bachelor of Science in Communication, a Master of Theology, and is currently pursuing a Doctorate of Ministry at Duke Divinity School. He is also the co-founder and board member of the Post Evangelical Collective—a group of pastors, artists, and leaders committed to full inclusion, holistic justice, deep and wide formation, a gracious posture, and the Way of Jesus.

Website | Instagram | Twitter/X | Substack

Links & Resources 🔗

Searching for Sunday by Rachel Held Evans | Amazon | Bookshop
Knock At the Sky by Liz Charlotte Grant | Amazon | Bookshop
I’ve Got Questions by Erin Moon | Amazon | Bookshop

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066: Integrating Theology and Psychology in Parenting with Meaghan Hampton

Tue, 05 Aug 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Did you know that much of the advice Christian parents have been taught over the years doesn’t align with what we know about child development?

In this episode, I speak with therapist and author Meaghan Hampton about parenting from a Christian and psychology-informed approach. We address how much of our stories of spiritual trauma are rooted in how we were raised, and why it’s important to explore our past with compassion and curiosity. You will learn about the harm that fundamentalist parenting can cause, how deconstruction from harmful parenting approaches can be a sign of spiritual health, tips on being a more curious and present parent, the value of co-regulation, and more. This is a great episode for anyone interested in learning a parenting approach consistent with the example of Jesus and what children need for healthy development.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Meaghan is a Christian therapist, writer, and parenting educator passionate about integrating faith, psychology, and neuroscience to support families on their journey toward healing and wholeness. In her clinical work, Meaghan walks alongside children, teens, and adults as they navigate anxiety, trauma, relational wounds, and nervous system dysregulation—always with a trauma-informed and Christ-centered lens.

Links & Resources 🔗

Resource for Co-regulation
The Big Feelings Book by Meaghan Hampton | Amazon
Flourishing Homes and Families Instagram | Amazon

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065: Reframing Our Theology of Intimacy with Erin Moniz

Tue, 29 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Can we have a conversation about intimacy in the church and have it not be...weird?

In this week's episode, I speak with college chaplain Rev. Erin Moniz about her book, Knowing and Being Known. She proves that, yes, we can talk about intimacy in a way that feels approachable, inclusive, and inviting to all without making it awkward. You will love Erin's framework that defines healthy intimacy through the lens of the gospel, differentiating it from economic—what's-in-it-for-me—relationships that ultimately leave people feeling more isolated. This is a hope-filled conversation that elevates the experience of intimacy beyond sex, and will speak to single adults and married couples alike.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Rev. Erin F. Moniz is a deacon in the Anglican Church in North America and Associate Chaplain and Director for Chapel at Baylor University, where she disciples emerging adults and journeys with them toward healthy, gospel-centered relationships. She is a trained conciliator, mediator, and conflict coach. She enjoys content creation, playing music, being outdoors, and narrating the inner monologue of her two cats. She lives in Waco, Texas, with her husband, Michael.

Website | Instagram | Threads

Links & Resources 🔗

Knowing and Being Known by Erin F Moniz | Amazon | Bookshop
Alone Together by Sherry Turkel | Amazon | Bookshop
Households of Faith by Emily McGowan | Amazon | Bookshop
Episode 018: Recovering from Purity Culture with Dr. Camden Morgante
Episode 038: Moving from Sexual Shame toward Sacred Play with Sam Jolman
Episode 042: Safeguarding the Church against Sexism and Abuse with Dr

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064: You're Not in Trouble with Becky Castle Miller

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Is there a part of you that feels like you’re in trouble, or you're about to be? If so, this episode will help you understand what message those feelings might be telling you.

In my conversation with emotion coach and PhD student Becky Castle Miller, we discuss the differences between feelings, emotions, and trauma responses, as well as practical ways to regulate your body when you're having a flashback. If you’re thinking, "But wait, I can’t trust my emotions…isn't my heart deceitful?" Becky offers a different perspective by examining the life of Jesus that you don’t want to miss.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Becky Castle Miller is a PhD student at Wheaton College researching a New Testament dissertation about emotions in the Gospel of Luke. She writes and speaks on emotional, mental, and spiritual health in the church and offers emotion coaching. She received her master's in New Testament from Northern Seminary where she wrote a master's thesis on Jesus's emotions. She, her husband, their five kids, and their cat returned to the US in 2020 after living in the Netherlands for eight years, where she served as discipleship director at an international church.

Links & Resources 🔗

Episode 1: Navigating Toxic Systems and Maintaining Agency with Alison Cook
Episode 8: Identity and Integrity After Pain and Loss with Steve Carter
Episode 9: Exploring the Four Landscapes of Attachment with Geoff & Cyd Holsclaw
Episode 39: Compassionate Awareness and Soft Words for Hard Days with Aundi Kolber
13 Steps for Managing Flashbacks from Pete Walker, MA, MFT
Feelings Wheel
How We Feel app

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063: A Rebellion of Care with David Gate

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How can we resist the overwhelming loneliness and despair of our time?

In this episode, I speak with author and poet David Gate about his debut collection of poems and essays titled Rebellion of Care. In a world that feels bent on individualism, capitalism, and fundamentalism, he suggests that it’s going to take some rebellion to create a new way of living—a life that’s full of radical care, beauty, and kindness. David shares how to move beyond providing “safe” care to a form of care that requires risk and artistic imagination. He also shares his creative process while writing his book, how the themes of self, community, love, and resilience emerged, and even reads a sneak peek of his poetry you won't want to miss.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

David Gate grew up in London before making his way to Belfast, Northern Ireland and Jacksonville, Florida. He now lives in the ancient Appalachian mountains of Asheville, North Carolina, where he writes, mills flour, and tends to a one-acre homestead with his partner and children.

Links & Resources 🔗

A Rebellion of Care by David Gate | Malaprop’s Bookstore, Asheville, NC | Bookshop
All Families are Psychotic by Douglas Coupland | Amazon
Make Sense of Your Story by Adam Young | Bookshop | Amazon

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062: Unpacking Our Church Camp Baggage with Cara Meredith

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0400

What happens at church camp? And what happens when what happens at church camp doesn't stay there, but follows us for the rest of our lives?

Most people think of campfires, silly songs, skits, deep talks, and spiritual awakenings. But for many, this is also a place mixed with emotional manipulation, toxic theology, purity culture, exclusion, and abuse.

In this episode, I speak with Cara Meredith, author of Church Camp: Bad Skits, Cry Night, and How White Evangelicalism Betrayed a Generation, about the “both/and” nature of church camps. She unpacks the tactics and theology used for "greater conversion" and other religious baggage people carry from their time at camp. We conclude the conversation by reimagining a camp experience centered on a theology of belovedness, not wickedness—a culture that benefits everyone.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

A sought-after speaker, writer, and public theologian, Cara Meredith is the author of Church Camp and The Color of Life. Passionate about issues of justice, race, and privilege, Cara holds a master of theology from Fuller Seminary and is a postulant for Holy Orders in the Episcopal Church.

With a background in education and nonprofit work, she wears more hats than she probably ought, but mostly just enjoys playing with words, a lot. Her writing has been featured in national media outlets such as The Oregonian, The New York Times, The Living Church, The Christian Century, and Baptist News Global, among others. She lives with her family in Oakland, California.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | Threads | Substack

Episode 16: Christian Nationalism and Finding Hope in the Margins with Andrew Whitehead
Substack: A Hierarchy of Belovedness

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061: Healing After Spiritual Trauma with Dr. Hillary McBride

Tue, 01 Jul 2025 02:00:00 -0400

What is spiritual trauma? How is it different from religious trauma? And what can I do if I, or someone I know, experienced it?

In this episode, we delve into the complexities of spiritual trauma and the healing process. Hillary and I discuss the importance of understanding spirituality, the role of the body in healing, and the challenges of naming traumatic experiences. And, we'll close with a practical exercise as Hillary leads us through a breath practice.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Dr. Hillary McBride is a registered psychologist, a researcher, and podcaster, with expertise that includes trauma, embodiment, psychedelic therapy, and the intersection of spirituality and mental health. Her books include Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image, the bestseller The Wisdom of Your Body: Practices for Embodied Living, and the 2025 release Holy Hurt. She was the senior editor of the textbook Embodiment and Eating Disorders: Theory, Research, Prevention, and Treatment, which was published in 2018.

She has been recognized by the American Psychological Association, and the Canadian Psychological Association for her research and clinical work. In addition to being a teaching faculty at the University of British Columbia, she is an ambassador for Sanctuary Mental Health, and the host of CBC's award winning podcast Other People's Problems. Hillary makes her home in the pacific northwest in British Columbia, Canada.

Website | Instagram | Threads

Links & Resources 🔗

Holy Hurt: Understanding Spiritual Trauma and the Process of Healing by Hillary McBride | Amazon | Bookshop
The Wisdom of Your Body by Hillary McBride | Amazon | Bookshop

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060: Disabled Psalms: Processing Honestly with God with Christopher Stewart (Summit Sessions)

Fri, 27 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

In his Summit session, Christopher Stewart shares his profound journey of faith and life after disability, exploring themes of grief, healing, and the sacredness of the disabled experience. He reads his original psalms, reflecting on his struggles and insights learned from wrestling with God, and emphasizes the importance of processing emotions honestly before God. Christopher also highlights the societal perceptions of disability and the beautiful vocation that can arise from living with a disability.

You will hear Christopher’s story of a sudden and unexpected brain stem injury, and the many implications that have come from this life-changing event. He unpacks what he means by his disability being a vocation, becoming “the least of these” in society, how the disabled can represent Christ in relationships, and invites disabled brothers and sisters—all of us—to explore this idea. Additionally, they discuss dignity and bodily autonomy for the disabled and bring light to the common harm of unwanted prayer or blaming disability on sin.

Get the full show notes and transcript here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Christopher was an able-bodied, recently ordained, visual artist and seminary student with a seemingly clear path before him. In July 2022, he survived a life-altering brain injury, which left him with multiple disabilities. In the time since then, through much prayer and processing, he has begun to see his disability as vocation. One of the ways he has been inspired to process his loss and disability is to borrow from the structure and language of the Psalms by composing a series of prayer poems called “Disabled Psalms.” Through his writing, online ministry, and live recitation engagements, he hopes to raise awareness of the disabled experience and to give others in the disabled and able-bodied communities a way to process their own experiences through the intimate language of prayer.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | YouTube | Patreon

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059: Season 3 Trailer

Tue, 24 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

We’re getting ready to celebrate one year of the Podcast and start Season 3 next week!

I can’t wait to share these incredible conversations with some of the guests you just heard like Monica DiCristina, Cara Meredith, David Gate, Megan Febuary, Becky Castle Miller, and lots more.

This season, we’re talking about finding ways to name our pain, better ways to read the Bible, working through our stories, learning about our feelings and emotions, learning different ways to parent after growing up in a shame and guilt-ridden evangelical culture, and so much more.

We’re kicking things off next week with Dr. Hillary McBride and talking about her new book, Holy Hurt.

A huge thank you to our listeners who make this show possible through their financial support. You can support our work by becoming a donor today. Just head to brokentobeloved.org/support or click the link to donate in the show notes.

Get the full show notes and all links mentioned here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Brian Lee is a pastor, coach, and speaker. In his 20+ years of experience in vocational ministry, he experienced three instances of spiritual abuse and toxic leadership. After living with an identity of brokenness for too many years, he learned to recognize and embrace his belovedness.

In 2023, he founded Broken to Beloved, a nonprofit organization that exists to provide practical resources for recovery from and safeguarding against spiritual abuse and religious trauma.

He is a certified Trauma-Informed Coach (Centre for Healing) and holds a certification in Religious Trauma Studies from the Global Center for Religious Research.

Based in Richmond, VA, Brian loves to go on mini-adventures with his family, exploring their neighborhood, community, and city with his family. As a coffee snob and addict, he could always use another cup.

Links & Resources 🔗

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058: Quieting An Anxious and Avoidant Faith with Geoff & Cyd Holsclaw (Summit Sessions)

Fri, 20 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

This conversation is from our 2024 Annual Summit.

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In this session, Brian, Geoff, and Cyd discuss the concept of embodied faith and the importance of integrating our bodies, emotions, and relationships in our spiritual lives. They explore the different attachment styles, including anxious, avoidant, and disorganized through the metaphor of landscapes and how they impact our relationships and faith.

Exploring the intersection of embodied faith, interpersonal neurobiology, attachment theory, and spiritual formation, Geoff and Cyd also discuss the importance of taking our bodies, emotions, and relationships seriously in the context of church life. They emphasize the integration of scientific research and spiritual practices to foster neuroplasticity and journey towards secure attachment. The goal is to create a church where people can openly share their attachment styles without shame and work towards healing and wholeness together.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Geoff (PhD) is an author of multiple books, affiliate professor of theology at Northern Seminary.

Cyd is an author, spiritual director, and pastor. She is also a trauma-informed, Jesus-centered, integrative coach focused on embodied practices and building a secure attachment to God.

Together, they co-host the Attaching to God podcast, offering a neuroscience-informed spiritual formation and are the co-author of Does God Really Like Me? Discovering the God Who Wants to Be With You.

Links & Resources 🔗

Embodied Faith website

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057: Forced Forgiveness: Misinterpreting Matthew 18 with Scot McKnight (Favorites)

Tue, 17 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

For the month of June, I'm re-airing some of our favorite episodes. This one originally aired on August 13, 2024.

TW/CW: references to sexual assault

Have you ever had Matthew 18 used against you?

Far too often, the forgiveness passage in Matthew 18:15–17 is weaponized against those who experience hurt and harm. Victims are forced to face their abusers, and there is no real reconciliation. The abuser walks away “forgiven” and restored, and the abused walks away humiliated and put in their place.

Yes, forgiveness is important. And, forgiveness cannot be forced. It must be a freely made choice on our part.

This conversation isn’t about holding on to our offenses, grudges, or dismissing what happened to us. It’s not about releasing our abusers from accountability or letting go of our desire for justice.

It is about the ways forgiveness has been weaponized and abused in the church. It’s about having a truly biblical and scholarly understanding of how those passages are meant to be understood. It’s about protecting ourselves from future manipulation and further abuse.

Join me and New Testament scholar Scot McKnight as we dive deep into the original language and nuance of this passage. Discover what it really says about interpersonal conflict and its role in cases of abuse or an imbalance of power. Learn about the role of repentance as implied in the original Greek, even when it doesn’t show up in our English Bibles.

Get the full show notes, links, and transcript here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Scot is a New Testament scholar who has written widely on the historical Jesus and Christian spirituality.

Links & Resources 🔗
Website | Instagram | Twitter

The Second Testament: A New Testament Translation Bookshop.org | Amazon
PIVOT Bookshop.org | Amazon
A Church Called TOV Bookshop.org | Amazon

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056: Deconstructing and Reconstructing with Suzanne Stabile (Summit Sessions)

Fri, 13 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

This conversation is from our 2024 Annual Summit.

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In this session, Suzanne shares her surprise at the number of people willing to talk about trauma and her concern about the misuse of the term. She also highlights the subtle nature of religious manipulation and the need for acceptance and understanding among different denominations, emphasizing the importance of setting boundaries and finding healing in dealing with church antagonists. Suzanne suggests using all three centers of intelligence for productive thinking, feeling, and doing and discusses the significance of therapy and contemplative practice and the value of accountability and discernment through groups and clearness committees.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

As an internationally recognized Enneagram Master, Suzanne has conducted over 500 Enneagram workshops over the past 30 years to audiences all over the country, and is lovingly referred to as the “Enneagram godmother.”

Suzanne received her B.S. in Social Sciences from Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas where she also completed additional graduate work in the Schools of Sociology and Theology. She has served as a high school professor, the first women’s basketball coach at SMU after Title IX, and as the founding Director of Shared Housing, a social service agency in Dallas.

She hosts The Enneagram Journey podcast and has authored 3 books, including The Road Back to You, The Path Between Us, and The Journey Toward Wholeness. She is also the series editor for an excellent devotional series for each of the nine types.

When she is not on the road teaching and lecturing, Suzanne is at home in Dallas, Texas with her husband Rev. Joseph Stabile, a United Methodist pastor with whom she co-founded Life in the Trinity Ministry and the Micah Center. She is the mother of four children and grandmother of nine.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Life in theTrinity Ministry |

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055: Healing What's Within through Curiosity and Connection with Chuck DeGroat (Favorites)

Tue, 10 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

For the month of June, I'm re-airing some of our favorite episodes. This one originally aired on September 24, 2024.

Trauma fundamentally disconnects us.

It can disconnect our brains from our bodies. It can sever relationships and entire communities. Those of us familiar with trauma know it can have a real impact on our faith or beliefs. It warps our understanding of others, our sense of safety, and even our own identity.

So how do we find connection again?

When we are alienated from ourselves, each other, and God, how do we find our way back home?

These are the questions that therapist and author Chuck DeGroat tackles in his latest book, Healing What’s Within. This is not a sequel or follow up to his previous When Narcissism Comes to Church, but rather a look at his own journey and process of dealing with his own trauma after spiritual abuse.

His deep knowledge and understanding of therapeutic work coupled with his experience as a minister, DeGroat offers incredibly practical tools for us to examine our own stories with curiosity and compassion and find our way back home to safety and security.

He reiterates our deepest message and hope, that we are indeed not just broken, but deeply Beloved.

Get the full show notes here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Broken to Beloved Conference (for pastors and church leaders)
Broken to Beloved Gathering (for the wounded and their advocates)
Episode 001: with Dr. Alison Cook

Guest Spotlight

Healing What’s Within at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
When Narcissism Comes to Church on Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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054: Navigating Abuse in Faith Spaces with Pete Singer (Summit Sessions)

Fri, 06 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

This conversation is from our 2025 Annual Summit.

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In this session, Pete shares how the investigative process works for all forms of abuse in spiritual contexts. He breaks down the process of how they investigate abuse reports and misconduct and the overall culture and health of the organization.

You will learn:

What happens when an abuse report is submitted.
GRACE’s definition of different forms of abuse.
How GRACE determines patterns of abuse.
Next steps that you can do if you think you’ve experienced spiritual abuse.
Steps you can do if you have spiritually abused someone.
Policies to look for that constitutes a safe church.

Get the full show notes and books mentioned here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Pete Singer joined GRACE as the Executive Director on January 1, 2021 and passed away on May 1, 2025. He had 30 years’ experience working with trauma, abuse, and mental health in a variety of settings.

Pete completed his Master’s in Social Work from the University of Minnesota, where he also received a Certificate in Trauma-Effective Leadership. He speaks nationally on trauma, trauma-informed practice, resilience, strengthening the parent-child relationship, and the role of the faith community in responding to child maltreatment.

Links & Resources 🔗

Articles:

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053: Navigating Toxic Systems and Maintaining Agency with Dr. Alison Cook (Favorites)

Tue, 03 Jun 2025 02:00:00 -0400

For the month of June, I'm re-airing some of our favorite episodes. This one originally aired on July 2, 2024.

We talk about the unique challenges of leaving toxic spaces and environments when they involve family or our livelihood, ways to set boundaries, and to remain curious to our internal world.

Episode Resources and Links

How to Walk Into A Room by Emily P. Freeman on Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Grieve, Breathe, Receive by Steve Carter on Bookshop.org | on Amazon

Guest Spotlight

Dr. Alison Cook is a therapist and host of the top-ranked The Best of You podcast. She is the author of I Shouldn't Feel This Way, the ECPA bestselling book The Best of You and coauthor of Boundaries for Your Soul. Widely recognized as an expert at the intersection of faith and psychology, Dr. Alison empowers individuals to heal from past wounds, develop a strong sense of self, forge healthy relationships, and experience a loving God who is for them.

Website | The Best of You Podcast | Instagram | Facebook

I Shouldn’t Feel this Way at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
The Best of You at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Boundaries For Your Soul at Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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052: Office Hours with Brian Lee

Tue, 27 May 2025 02:00:00 -0400

In this final episode of Season 2, I'm "opening up my office," which is currently covered with my kids' toys and an interesting but good smell of fresh-cut peonies and coffee. Have a seat and get cozy as I share what’s next for the Broken to Beloved podcast and respond to a few questions I received from the audience. During our break, you can look forward to tuning in to some of my favorite recap episodes and archives from this year’s Summit. And before you know it, Season 3 will be here in five short weeks, starting off with our friend Dr. Hilary McBride, the author of Holy Hurt and The Wisdom of Your Body.

The questions I cover:

How can we discern when to go back to church?
How can we reconcile the Old Testament God with the New Testament Jesus?
What’s the extent and impact of sexual abuse in the church?
How can reconciliation happen if the perpetrator feels they have done nothing wrong?

Get the full show notes and books mentioned here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

In 2023, he founded Broken to Beloved, a nonprofit organization that exists to provide practical resources for recovery from and safeguarding against spiritual abuse and religious trauma.

He is a certified Trauma-Informed Coach (Centre for Healing) and holds a certification in Religious Trauma Studies from the Global Center for Religious Research.

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051: Exploring Legal Options and Outcomes with Melissa J. Hogan

Tue, 20 May 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Very few victims of abuse seek out a lawyer for money—most are looking for something else. They want safety, justice, and agency over an impossible situation.

In this episode, I speak to Melissa J. Hogan, attorney, advocate, and author in the field of trauma and abuse, about the legal options available for survivors. She shares where her passion for medical and spiritual trauma comes from, along with several practical tips about how to safely tell your story, collect evidence, and bring abuse to light. This is an excellent conversation for anyone wanting to know how attorneys can accompany you in your healing.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Melissa is an attorney and advocate in the field of trauma and abuse, and co-author of the 2021 book, Afraid of the Doctor: Every Parent’s Guide to Preventing and Managing Medical Trauma. She received her J.D. with an emphasis in health law from the University of Pittsburgh and went on to clerk on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, practice as a corporate/healthcare attorney, and teach legal writing and health care regulatory law.

In 2014, she founded and for many years led the nonprofit Project Alive, a research and advocacy foundation for Hunter syndrome, a rare genetic disease that affects her youngest son. In that season, she developed and patented patient outcome measures, consulted on clinical trial designs, was a featured speaker at industry and FDA conferences, and won numerous awards for her advocacy.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | Substack | TikTok

Boz Law

Project Alive

Afraid of the Doctor by Meghan L. Marsac and Melissa J. Hogan on Bookshop | Amazon

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050: Seeing Our Brokenness as a Bridge, Not a Barrier with Michael Cusick

Tue, 13 May 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How do you restore a relationship with God after spiritual abuse?

It makes sense that you might struggle with the idea of being held and loved by God after experiencing spiritual abuse, or any other form of abuse, for that matter.

In this episode with Michael Cusick, author of Sacred Attachment: Escaping Spiritual Exhaustion and Trusting in Divine Love, helps us understand the safe love available through God and how we might go about receiving it.

We cover everything from dancing nuns to adult bookstore floors to the holiness of wholeness. Listen and learn about living in belovedness and allowing our brokenness to be the bridge that leads us there.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Michael is a licensed professional therapist, spiritual director, speaker, and author. Having experienced the restoring touch of God in a deeply broken life and marriage, Michael’s passion is to connect life’s broken realities with the reality of the gospel.

The founder and CEO at Restoring the Soul, Michael formerly served as an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary and full-time professor at Colorado Christian University. He holds an MA in Biblical Counseling from Colorado Christian University and an MA in Counseling Psychology from the College of Education at the University of Denver.

He lives with his wife Julianne in the foothills of Colorado where he enjoys the Rocky Mountains and a host of other outdoor activities with friends and family.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook

Sacred Attachment by Michael Cusick on Amazon | Bookshop

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049: Clergy Sexual Abuse and Accountability with Dr. David Pooler

Tue, 06 May 2025 11:00:00 -0400

CW/TW: This episode is centered largely around the topic of Clergy Sexual Abuse (CSA) and its effects. Please be gentle with yourself. If it feels like too much at any point, please feel free to stop, take a break, or skip this episode altogether.

What happens when those in church leadership become the ones who harm—and the institution covers it up? Where does one go to hold these abusers accountable?

In this episode, I talk with Dr. David Pooler, professor, researcher, and therapist, who has spent over a decade studying adult clergy sexual abuse. We talk about his landmark study with staggering data and the failure of church institutions to offer care or accountability after abuse. Dr. Pooler also shares what healing can look like and offers powerful insights on institutional betrayal, grooming, consent, and how we must center survivors in our systems of justice.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Dr. Pooler has more than 15 years of social work practice experience with several different populations including at-risk and abused children, adults with severe and persistent mental illness, persons with addictions, and homeless men. Dr. Pooler studies social workers and the organizational contexts in which social workers are employed. A primary focus of his research is studying how social workers find great joy in their work. He is interested in social work management and leadership. As an occupational social worker, Dr. Pooler is interested in assessing and developing interventions for social service organizations so that work environments are healthy, supportive, and just. He also has a strong interest in developing healthy congregations so that they can transform communities.

Dr. Pooler is married to Cheryl who is a lecturer in the Garland School of Social Work. Their two children were adopted from China; they are Josianne (2000) and Emilie (2003).

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048: Holding Space for The Spiritually Wounded with Amy Fritz

Wed, 30 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Ever wonder what it’s like to run a community solely focused on spiritual abuse?

From dealing with the regular stream of scandals and stories to the practicalities of managing the business, it helps to hear how others navigate this field. In this episode, I talk with my friend Amy Fritz, creator and host of the Untangled Faith podcast. We get really honest and a little bit vulnerable about our thought processes, how we make the decisions we do, and what we hope for our communities.

Listen to learn how we approach best practices and navigate this space with wisdom, grace, and compassion.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Amy is the creator and host of the Untangled Faith podcast, where she invites her listeners to join her for conversations about what it's like to hold on to your Christian faith while untangling it from all the things that should have never been tied to faith in the first place. After several years of podcasting and connecting with individuals who have made difficult and beautiful decisions, and wrestled through what they believe Amy has discovered that her most important work is to offer encouragement, community, and space to folks in this "untangling" space.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | Threads | BlueSky | Substack

Untangled Faith Podcast | Apple & Spotify
“Responding in Reactionary Times” on Substack
Get your own “Bad Church Ladies” t-shirt
Posture Shift Ministries

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047: Reframing the Meaning of "Good Soil" with Jeff Chu

Tue, 22 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Many people who have read The Parable of the Sower interpret it as: You have to be the “good soil”, or else.

However, in my conversation with Jeff Chu, he reframes what good soil actually means and how it’s made. Pulling from his latest book, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand, Jeff guides us through a beautiful discussion on the theology of compost, returning to cultural roots, embracing diversity, being attentive to beauty, befriending the dark, and more. Perhaps even withered plants, thorns, and rock-laden soil can be used for our flourishing. I hope you’ll listen.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Jeff Chu is an award-winning journalist and editor-at-large at Travel+Leisure. He is the author of Does Jesus Really Love Me? and the co-author, with the late Rachel Held Evans, of the New York Times bestseller Wholehearted Faith. Chu is a former Time staff writer and Fast Company editor whose work has also appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, and Modern Farmer. In his weekly newsletter, “Notes of a Make-Believe Farmer,” Chu writes about spirituality, gardening, food, travel, and culture. He lives with his husband, Tristan, in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Links & Resources 🔗

Website | Instagram | Substack
Good Soil by Jeff Chu Amazon | Bookshop
Othered by Jenai Auman Amazon | Bookshop
A Women's Lectionary for the Whole Church by Wil Gafney Amazon | Bookshop

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046: Unity in Diversity and the Work of Healing with the Religious Trauma Network

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0400

Are there communities that support survivors of religious trauma without being…religious? Spiritual abuse doesn’t only happen in churches. It can happen anywhere and to anyone, but there’s rarely space for all voices and experiences to be heard.

I recently spoke with the four founders of the newly launched Religious Trauma Network. These four are creating a place that proves you can have a community of healing without believing the same thing—and they want to help others find this for themselves.

In our conversation, they each share what led them into this career, how they met, and what the Religious Trauma Network is all about. My favorite part, though? They share what healing means and how it doesn’t have to look spiritual for it to be true.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

The Religious Trauma Network’s mission is to offer comprehensive information, resources, and support for individuals recovering from religious trauma while raising awareness and equipping professionals and organizations to create safe, trauma-responsive spaces inside their faith or healing communities.

Books/Films/Resources Mentioned:

Religious Trauma Network Blog (open to public submissions)
Trauma in the Pews by Janyne McConnaughey on Amazon | Bookshop
What Lies Inside: Healing in the Face of Trauma film by Luke Renner

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045: Finding Christ in the Faces of Others with Aimee Byrd

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0400

When your true face has been hidden for so long, what is it like to finally reveal it?

In this episode, we dive into connection, community, relationships, and what happens when it all falls apart. How do you save face in the presence of such incredible loss?

We explore memory and story work, and how it helps us to unveil present realities by examining our history.

Join us for a more introspective trip into Aimee's path as a writer, mother, daughter, wife, and a woman caught in the crosshairs of church leadership.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Aimee is an author, speaker, blogger, podcaster and former coffee shop owner. Aimee is the author of several books, including Saving Face, The Hope in Our Scars, Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and Sexual Reformation. Her articles have appeared in First Things, Table Talk, Modern Reformation, By Faith, New Horizons, Ordained Servant, Harvest USA, and Credo Magazine and she has been interviewed and quoted in Christianity Today and The Atlantic.

Saving Face by Aimee Byrd on Amazon | Bookshop
Othered by Jenai Auman on Amazon | Bookshop
The Critical Journey by Janet Hagberg & Robert Guelich on Amazon
Till We Have Faces by CS Lewis on Amazon | Bookshop

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044: Building A Marriage Based on Mutuality with Sheila Wray Gregoire

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0400

CW: marriage and sex (not explicit)

If you grew up in the evangelical Christianity of the 80s and 90s like me, we likely hear or read much of the same marriage advice. What if it was bad advice?

Most of the popular marriage books are written by those with no relevant education or professional credentials and include no research, data, or peer-reviewed evidence for their claims.

Sheila Gregoire and her team are committed to work that is healthy, evidence-based, and biblical, and her latest book, co-written with her husband, Keith, is proof of that. Packed with data, research, graphs, and stories, this book debunks much of what we were taught with clear and correct information.

If you're looking for ways to improve your marriage without a side of guilt or shame, this may be the episode for you.

Guest Spotlight ✨

Sheila is an author, podcaster, and researcher into evangelicalism and sex. The founder of BareMarriage.com, together with her team she has surveyed over 32,000 people for her books The Great Sex Rescue, She Deserves Better and her latest book, The Marriage You Want. Her goal is to change the evangelical conversation about sex to be healthy, evidence-based, and rooted in Christ. A graduate of Queen's University, she's married to her husband Keith, a pediatrician, who writes and speaks with her.

Links & Resources 🔗

The Marriage You Want on Amazon | Bookshop

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043: Finding Hope and Healing in our Scars with Diane Langberg

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How can the Church transform from a place of harm to a sanctuary of healing and truth? How do we learn to recognize the wolves among the sheep when it's hard to tell the difference? How can anyone hold on to faith and find hope after witnessing so much trauma?

From recognizing a real-life parable of an observing how a body that does not follow its head is very sick, to systems that preserve themselves instead of obeying Christ, Dr. Langberg addresses these questions and much more. We also get into the complexities of forgiveness and repentance, the transformative power of facing our own brokenness, and the courage required to speak truth to power.

What can I say? It's Diane Langberg—we should just all take some time to listen and learn from her years of expertise and wisdom. Join me?

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Dr. Diane Langberg is a globally recognized psychologist with 53 years of clinical experience working with trauma patients. She has trained caregivers from six continents in responding to trauma and to the abuse of power. For 29 years she directed her own practice in Jenkintown PA .

She is the author of several books, including, When the Church Harms God's People: Becoming Faith Communities that Resist Abuse, Pursue Truth, and Care for the Wounded and Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church.

Dr. Langberg is the recipient of the Distinguished Alumna Achievements from Taylor University, the American Association of Christian Counselors Caregiver Award, The Distinguished President’s award, and the Philadelphia Council of Clergy’s Christian Service Award.

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Website | Instagram | YouTube | X/Twitter

When the Church Harms God's People on Amazon | Bookshop
Redeeming Power on Amazon | Bookshop

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042: Safeguarding the Church Against Sexism and Abuse with Dr. Andrew Bauman

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0400

How have harmful religious teachings about gender reinforced sexism and silenced women's voices in Christian communities? Dr. Andrew Bauman discusses his extensive research on the impact of sexism and abuse on women in churches, challenging misinterpretations of biblical texts that have been used to justify inequality.

Bauman shares insights from his book Safe Church, exploring different forms of sexism, the weaponization of forgiveness, and how churches often fail abuse victims through "cheap grace." Drawing from interviews with over 2,800 women, he reveals how Christian leaders frequently gaslight and silence those who experience harm rather than holding perpetrators accountable.

Moving beyond criticism to offer a path forward, we emphasize the importance of ethical leadership, personal healing work, and creating genuinely safe church environments.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight ✨

Founder & Director of the Christian Counseling Center: For Sexual Health & Trauma (CCC), Dr. Andrew J. Bauman is a therapist with a Doctorate from Northeastern University. His dissertation was on studying the impact of sexism and abuse on women in the Protestant Church. Andrew is the author of seven books, including his newest book, SAFE CHURCH: How to Guard Against Sexism & Abuse in Christian Communities.

Safe Church on Amazon | Bookshop

Links & Resources 🔗

Christian Counseling Center
Episode 7: Forced Forgiveness with Scot McKnight

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041: Ordinary Women of Faith and Ministry with Beth Allison Barr

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0400

What if the church has been telling women the wrong story about their spiritual gifts for centuries? Historian and author Beth Allison Barr and I dive deep into the forgotten narratives of women's ministry, uncovering a rich and powerful history that challenges everything we've been taught.

From the abbesses who wielded more authority than most modern pastors to the prophetic voices systematically silenced throughout church history, this episode explores how women have always been central to spreading the gospel. We'll journey through medieval monasteries, examine biblical texts with fresh eyes, and confront the power structures that have limited women's spiritual leadership.

Discover how women supervised crucial church councils, how early Christian communities celebrated diverse spiritual gifts, and why the current restrictions on women's ministry say more about maintaining control than following calling.

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Guest Spotlight ✨

Beth Allison Barr is James Vardaman Endowed Chair of History at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, where she specializes in medieval history, women’s history, and church history. She is the author of the USA Today bestseller The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Barr lives in Texas with her husband, a Baptist pastor, and their two children.

Becoming the Pastor's Wife on Amazon | Bookshop

Links & Resources 🔗

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Tell Her Story by Nijay Gupta on Amazon | Bookshop
The Hidden History of Women’s Ordination by Gary Macy on Amazon

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040: Making Sense of Your Story by Engaging Past Pain with Adam Young

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 02:00:00 -0500

What if the key to understanding your present lies buried in the stories of your past?

In this episode, I talk with Adam Young about his new book Make Sense of Your Story and the transformative power of story work. We explore how desires and disappointments reveal who we are, why self-contempt must be replaced with kindness, and how the path through trauma leads to connection. Adam provides practical guidance on recognizing when someone is safe to share your story with, how to notice what your body is telling you, and why blessing your deepest desires—even when they led to painful outcomes—is essential for healing. This episode offers hope that engaging your story with curiosity and compassion can lead not just to understanding yourself better but to profound transformation and freedom.

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Guest Spotlight ✨

Adam Young is a therapist who focuses on trauma and abuse, and the host of The Place We Find Ourselves podcast. Adam is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a Master degree in Social Work (Virginia Commonwealth University) and Divinity (Emory University).

Adam is the author of Make Sense of Your Story: Why Engaging Your Story with Kindness Changes Everything. He currently serves as a Fellow and Instructor at The Allender Center. Adam lives in Fort Collins, CO, with his wife and two children.

Website | Instagram | The Place We Find Ourselves podcast

Make Sense of Your Story on Amazon | Bookshop

Links & Resources 🔗

The Allender Center
Confessional Communities (Center for Being Known with Curt Thompson, MD)
THROUGH Cohort (Broken to Beloved)

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038: Moving from Sexual Shame toward Sacred Play with Sam Jolman

Tue, 18 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0500

In this episode, we dig into how most men never got a proper "sex talk"— just rules about staying pure and anatomical basics, without any guidance on how to handle feelings, desires, and attraction in a healthy way. Jolman shares how men can learn to appreciate beauty (whether it's a sunset or steak) without spiraling into shame or lust, and explains the important difference between arousal and desire.

Jolman pushes back against the fear-based messages many people got from purity culture. Instead of seeing all sexual feelings as dangerous, he suggests we can be "lovers" in a broader sense—people who know how to enjoy life's pleasures, from good food to meaningful relationships. We talk about what this means for single folks, people healing from sexual trauma, and anyone trying to move past shame toward a healthier view of sexuality. It's a refreshingly honest conversation that acknowledges both the physical side of sex (the "mechanics") and the deeper emotional and spiritual aspects (the "poetics").

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Episode 18 with Dr. Camden Morgante
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Bio

Sam Jolman (MA LPC) is a trauma therapist with over twenty years of experience specializing in men’s issues and sexual trauma recovery. Being a therapist has given him a front row seat to hear hundreds of men and women share their stories. His writing flows out of this unique opportunity to help people know and heal their stories, and find greater sexual wholeness and aliveness. He received his master’s in counseling from Reformed Theological Seminary and was further trained in Narrative Focused Trauma Care through the Allender Center at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. Sam lives in Colorado with his wife and three sons. Together, they enjoy exploring the best camping spots in Colorado in a pop-up camper. Sam goes to therapy, loves fly fishing and can often be found trying to catch his breath on the floor of his local CrossFit gym.

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037: Sacred Silence and Finding God Through Mystery with Liz Charlotte Grant

Tue, 11 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Ever wondered what happens when a birth doula becomes a biblical scholar? In this episode, I chat with Liz Charlotte Grant, whose fascinating path includes helping deliver babies before diving deep into writing about Genesis. She shares how working with birthing families taught her about letting go of control and making space for people to find their own way—something that completely transformed how she reads and writes about the Bible.

Liz talks about seeing the Bible with fresh eyes, especially when it comes to characters like Hagar who often get pushed to the sidelines. She digs into why silence matters (God's first creative act!), and why it's okay to question things we've always been told about scripture. Drawing from science, Jewish tradition, art, and her own experience, she's created what she calls an "illumination" of Genesis - a way of looking at these ancient stories that makes room for questions and mystery. For anyone who's ever felt hurt by religion or unsure about the Bible, Liz offers a gentle reminder that it's okay to find your own path to faith.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

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Knock at the Sky by Liz Charlotte Grant Amazon | Bookshop

Bio

Liz Charlotte Grant is an award-winning writer whose work has been published in The Revealer, Sojourners, Christianity Today, Religion News Service, the Huffington Post, and elsewhere. She also writes The Empathy List, a popular newsletter that has been recognized by the Webby Awards and the Associated Church Press Awards. Her debut book is Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis after Losing Faith in the Bible.

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036: Burning a Path to Renewal with Erin Moon

Tue, 04 Feb 2025 02:00:00 -0500

"Burn it all down." It's a common cry heard from many who have experienced spiritual abuse or find themselves disentailing from the disorienting process of deconstruction. And for those who have been asking the hard questions, wrestling with our beliefs, and navigating complicated relationships, it can be a very real, cathartic, and terrifying thought.

But what if burning it down isn't destructive? What if it's actually restorative? What if questioning and wrestling with God is part of our spiritual birthright?

Join me as I talk with Erin about her first book, I've Got Questions: The Spiritual Practice of Having It Out With God. We'll talk about the role of grief, lament, wrestling, curiosity, science, and so much more as part of our faith journey (drink!) as we look for hope.

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Episode Resources and Links

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Guest Spotlight

Erin Hicks Moon is a writer, podcaster, and storyteller who helps people disentangle faith by creating a kind and curious community that welcomes honest doubt and questions. She is the Resident Bible Scholar and host of the Faith Adjacent podcast, and senior creative at Podcast Media Group. A homesick Texan, she lives in Birmingham, Alabama, with her husband and three children, where she bravely tries to live without yellow queso every day.

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035: Summit Q&A with Amy Fritz, Kat Wilkins, LPC & Colby Wilkins, RMHCI

Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:00:00 -0500

The 2025 Annual Summit is over!

This episode is part 2 of our live Q&A session from Wednesday, January 22 with Amy Fritz and Colby Wilkins, hosted on YouTube Live. We responded to emails sent in with the biggest struggles and questions sent in from over 300 Summit attendees.

If you missed the Summit or want to watch any of the sessions, you can still get an All Access Pass. It's still available for $117 through the end of the month. Price goes up to $129 on February 1.

Links & Resources

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034: Summit Q&A with Amy Fritz & Colby Wilkins, RMHCI

Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0500

The 2025 Annual Summit is over!

This episode is part of our live Q&A session from Wednesday, January 22 with Amy Fritz and Colby Wilkins, hosted on YouTube Live. We responded to emails sent in with the biggest struggles and questions sent in from over 300 Summit attendees.

Get the full show notes and links here 📄
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033: Annual Summit Launch

Tue, 21 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Our third Annual Summit starts today!

Be sure to register for the Summit to get over 15 sessions packed with practical tools to help name, process, and navigate our experiences of spiritual abuse and religious trauma to move toward healing and wholeness.

We have an incredible lineup for you this year, including speakers like Kate Boyd, Ben Cremer, Becky Castle Miller, Christopher Stewart, Colleen Ramser, and lots more. You'll get a link to 3-4 sessions each day, plus access to live Bonus Sessions and Community calls throughout the week.

If you can't watch it in time or just want to have the recordings, you can get an All Access Pass for lifetime access to the full library of session recordings, along with session transcripts, bonus resources, and more. Plus, you get it a day early!

And it's ALL FREE. Click here to find more info and to get your free ticket today!

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032: Annual Summit Preview

Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0500

Our third Annual Summit is happening next week from January 21–25, 2025, and I can't wait to share it with you.

Today, I'm sharing a sneak peek at some of our incredible sessions, including excerpts from my conversations with Adam Young, Jenai Auman, Curt Thompson, MD, and Kayleigh Clark.

You'll hear about story work, finding our identity and sense of self, navigating shame, and finding trustworthy and trauma-informed pastors.

Be sure to register for the Summit to get over 15 sessions packed with practical tools to help name, process, and navigate our experiences of spiritual abuse and religious trauma to move toward healing and wholeness.

We have an incredible lineup for you this year, including speakers like Kate Boyd, Ben Cremer, Becky Castle Miller, Christopher Stewart, Colleen Ramser, and lots more. You'll get a link to 3-4 sessions each day, plus access to live Bonus Sessions and Community calls throughout the week.

If you can't watch it in time or just want to have the recordings, you can get an All Access Pass for lifetime access to the full library of session recordings, along with session transcripts, bonus resources, and more. Plus, you get it a day early!

And it's ALL FREE. Click here to find more info and to get your free ticket today!

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031: Annual Summit Info & Registration

Tue, 07 Jan 2025 02:00:00 -0500

It's here!

Our third Annual Summit is happening January 21–25, 2025, and I can't wait to share it with you.

We have an incredible lineup for you this year, including speakers like Curt Thompson, MD, Adam Young, Jenai Auman, Dr. Janyne McConnaughey, and lots more. Over 5 days, you'll get 15+ sessions, plus live Bonus Sessions and Community calls throughout the week.

And it's ALL FREE. Click here to find more info and to get your free ticket.

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030: Healing from Church Hurt with Steve Carter

Tue, 31 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This is a special episode swap with my friend Steve Carter and his Craft and Character podcast. This episode was originally released in September 2024.

In this episode of the Craft & Character podcast, Steve Carter interviews pastor and thought leader Brian Lee about healing from church hurt.

Brian has a heart for those who feel like wanderers looking for a safe place to land. He has created an incredible community for anyone who has felt cast aside, betrayed, or hurt from religious institutions.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

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029: Historical & Cultural Influences on Evangelicalism with Amy Fritz & Karen Swallow Prior

Tue, 24 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This is a special episode swap with my friend Amy Fritz at the Untangled Faith podcast. This episode was originally released in August 2023.

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about how Stories, Metaphors, and Images have influenced the Evangelical imagination.

We should always be trying to be aware of cultural influences and think about how they shape us as humans. - Karen Swallow Prior

In this episode we:

Discuss the cultural forces that drive evangelical norms.
Learn some context and origin and development of the evangelical faith.
Contend with sentimentality issues complicating the evangelical landscape.
Grapple with the issues of incongruence between the message and the messenger.

Episodes you might enjoy:

Untangled Faith Episode 86: Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church

Resources:

Find Dr. Karen Swallow Prior on Substack
Buy Karen's book on Amazon | Bookshop
Subscribe to the Untangled Faith Substack

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028: Why Do Churches Do More Harm Than Good? with Why God Why

Tue, 17 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This is a special episode swap with my friends at the "Why God Why" podcast. This episode was originally released in February 2024.

In this raw and poignant episode of Why God Why, we delve into the delicate and often painful topic of church harm and the credibility of Christianity. Hosts Amanda D'Angelo and Peter Englert are joined by returning guest Brian Lee, who bravely shares his personal experiences of spiritual abuse and his journey toward healing and advocacy.

Brian, a seasoned voice on the subject and founder of the nonprofit Broken to Beloved, offers a candid look at the darker side of church life, addressing the critical question: "Why does it feel like churches cause more harm than good?" With vulnerability and insight, Brian discusses the power dynamics and control issues that can lead to toxic church environments, and how these experiences have shaped his mission to support others through similar struggles.

Listeners will be invited into a space of reflection and empathy as Amanda, Peter, and Brian navigate the complexities of reconciling faith with the reality of church-induced wounds. This episode is not just an exploration of the problems but also a beacon of hope for those seeking to create healthier, more compassionate faith communities.

For anyone who has felt the sting of spiritual betrayal or is grappling with the imperfections of religious institutions, this conversation offers solace and a reminder that you are not alone. Your story matters, and there are paths to healing and redemption within and beyond the walls of the church.

If you or someone you know has been affected by church harm, visit brokentobeloved.org for resources and support. And remember, your voice is crucial to this ongoing dialogue—reach out with your questions and stories to Peter@browncroft.org. Your contributions are invaluable as we confront these challenging issues together.

Listen in for a heart-wrenching yet hopeful examination of faith, hurt, and the relentless pursuit of a church that truly embodies the love and grace it preaches.

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027: Our Values: Agency over Prescription

Tue, 10 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This is the last episode in our series on what we value at Broken to Beloved. You can also listen to our previous values, Curiosity over Certainty, Goodness over Wickedness, and People over Position.

This week, I'm presenting our final three values as a work in progress:

Connection over Isolation
Wholeness over Brokenness
Agency over Prescription

Given the choice, I want to include and welcome people into community and connection. We resist the act of othering and excluding.

We want to live with integrity, bringing our whole selves wherever we go.

We recognize that abuse so often strips us of our voice and choice. We want to equip you to rediscover and reclaim your voice, and to empower you to make your own choices. We want to avoid telling you what to do or how to do it, and prefer to offer options that have worked for us and others. As our friend Aundi Kolber often says, "take what you need."

I'll also provide some updates on the Giving Tuesday campaign (thank you!!), our 2024 Annual Report for donors, a preview of the upcoming 2025 Summit, and wrap up the podcast for this season.

Thank you again for being here. I'll see you again in the new year.

If you’d like to donate to support our work at Broken to Beloved, you can give at our website today.

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026: Making a Difference

Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Broken to Beloved has been officially operating for just over a year now, and I'm proud of the way we've made a difference for thousands across the world. We've worked with individuals in 49 states and 55 countries. We've heard and held your stories, and offered practical tools to move toward healing and wholeness through our Summit, Cohort, Book Club, Podcast, Conference, and Gathering.

In this week's episode, learn about the vision we set last year, how we did, and what we're looking forward to.

You'll hear a few stories from some of you who have participated in our programs, and a few words from some old and new friends.

This Giving Tuesday, will you help us reach our goal of raising $10,000? We're looking for individuals to join us in monthly, annual, or one-time giving anywhere from $5 up to whatever you're able. We've already received gifts of $5 and $7 up to $500 and $1,000 and more!

I'm humbled and grateful for each of you, and thankful you're part of this community.

If you’d like to donate to support our work, you can give at our website today.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

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025: Our Values: People over Position

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 02:00:00 -0500

We're continuing our series on what we value at Broken to Beloved. You can also listen to our previous values, Curiosity over Certainty and Goodness over Wickedness.

This week, I want to talk about how we want to view people.

We believe that all of humanity is created in the image of God, and is therefore crated with intention, purpose, and beauty. Beloved. We believe that we are created for community and for each other. If the Body of Christ is meant to fit together perfectly with each person purposefully made, then none of us can say to the other that we don’t fit or belong.

We will be a community that moves toward others, preferring proximity over polarization. We seek to see and understand others, hearing to listen and not to speak.

We will avoid a posture of othering and affirm and acknowledge our common humanity and the divine diversity. We will work to be good neighbors as the Samaritan was to the Jewish man.

We were made to be different on purpose, and we were made to be together. Community is part of our design, and it does harm to those around us when we dismiss, demean, and diminish anyone else because of something we call faith.

If it comes down to choosing to see and recognize someone’s humanity over what I believe to be true, I’m going to choose to see someone as Beloved, made in the image of God, and designed to be in community with me in some way.

How about you?

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024: Our Values: Goodness over Wickedness

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 02:00:00 -0500

This the second episode in a short series on our values. You can listen to our first shared value, "Curiosity over Certainty" in Episode 20 here.

By choosing goodness over wickedness, we affirm the original goodness of every human being and reject a theology that shames, demeans, and devalues. We choose a view of humanity rooted in Genesis 1, not Genesis 2. We reject a “worm theology” that declares our wretchedness and depravity, clinging instead to the truth of the gospel, freedom from condemnation in Christ, and our redemption to God.

Your default nature is not sinfulness, wickedness, and depravity. It is created for beauty, co-creation, and goodness.

“Though we are prone to sin and stray from God, it is important to remember that before original sin, we were clothed with original glory. God longs for humankind to experience the full restoration of our original glory, which we enjoyed at the beginning of creation.” (Ken Shigematsu, Now I Become Myself)

“Self-rejection is the greatest enemy of the spiritual life because it contradicts the sacred voice that calls us the “Beloved.” Being the Beloved constitutes the core truth of our existence.” (Henri Nouwen, Life of the Beloved)

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023: Meet the Board: Becoming Aware of Our Belovedness with Brett Deal

Tue, 12 Nov 2024 02:00:00 -0500

CW/TW: This episode includes references to some child physical abuse and to overtly Christian language.

How does our story and theology impact our identity? How do the stories we tell ourselves or are reminded of change the way we see ourselves? How much do they keep us from seeing and embracing our inherent belovedness?

In this week’s episode, I speak with Broken to Beloved board member Brett Deal about his own story and journey from brokenness to belovedness. We talk about following the example of Jesus in walking away from situations and relationships, and the significance of understanding our own stories.

When our unexamined stories are carried forward throughout our lives, how can we begin to understand their meaning? What kind of healing can we find when we address deeper wounds that exacerbate current ones?

Healing and wholeness can be found when we find places and people who offer safety, vulnerability, and an opportunity to be heard, believed, and known. We hope you find that here.

If you’d like to donate to support our work at Broken to Beloved, you can give at our website today.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Support Broken to Beloved
Episode 15 with Chuck DeGroat
When to Walk Away by Gary Thomas on Bookshop | on Amazon
Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys on Bookshop | on Amazon
What My Bones Know by Stephanie Foo on Bookshop | on Amazon
Truth and Repair by Judith Herman on Bookshop | on Amazon

Guest Spotlight

Brett serves in Richmond, VA, at Eternity Church. Over the last 20 years, he has pastored churches in America and Africa, teaching and training new pastors, planting churches as well as revitalizing others recovering from spiritually abusive leadership. He serves local congregations,

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022: Creating and Validating a Spiritual Abuse Assessment with Lianna Chong

Tue, 05 Nov 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Can you really ever know when you’ve experienced spiritual abuse by church leaders and organizations? Victims and survivors are so often manipulated and gaslit that they question their own memories and experiences.

This is the work Organizational Psychologist Lianna Chong is setting out to complete. Through her work with the Spiritually Abusive Leadership & Climate Survey, she is hoping to have quantifiable and scientifically validated research and hard data.

The survey measures areas like abuse of power, emotional manipulation and abuse, defend and attack (based on DARVO and gaslighting), and psychological safety.

This research will be completed in two rounds, with the first running from Nov–Dec 2024, and a second round in early 2025. The minimum goal is 300 completed surveys, with a full goal of 600.

Would you be willing to complete the survey? It’s all scaled multiple choice (strongly agree – strongly disagree), and takes about 10-15 minutes to complete. It’s fully anonymous (with a few demographic questions), and all online. You can complete it on your phone or computer.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight

Lianna is an organizational psychologist with experience in ministry and secular organizations. She is passionate about helping teams and leaders create environments where people can bring their best self to work. She provides training and consultation on compassion fatigue, burnout, organizational change, and psychological safety. Recently, Lianna has pivoted her focus to helping people recognize spiritually abusive leadership and promote healthier church cultures.

Lianna has a Master of Arts in Organizational Psychology, a Master of Theological Studies, and is a Certified Fearless Organization Scan (FOS) practitioner. In addition to consulting, she has served as Adjunct Faculty at William James College teaching quantitative and qualitative assessment.

Website | Substack | Instagram

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021: Deconstructing Deconstruction: Finding an Invisible Jesus with Scot McKnight and Tommy Preson Phillips

Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Deconstruction has become a polarized term in the past few years. Added to the arsenal of pastors and church leaders, it’s most often used to to dismiss or demean those who have walked away from their church, or to stoke fear into the hearts and spirits of those asking hard questions.

What was once a word meant to invite conversation or to indicate an desire to learn more and grow deeper has been weaponized.

There is little that it sexy about deconstruction. It’s difficult work, and requires courage and humility. And according to research, most who are deconstructing aren’t walking away from their faith, they’re on the way to deepening and strengthening it.

In this conversation with Scot McKnight and Tommy Phillips, we discuss why so many have left the church in search of the Jesus they hear talked about but don’t see in their own churches. We talk about why theology is a cover for leaving, individuating and spiritual formation, and much more.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight
Scot has been a professor of NT for more than four decades. He is the author of more than 90 books, including the award-winning The Jesus Creed as well as A Church Called TOV.

Tommy Preson Phillips is a pastor at Watermark Church in Tampa, FL. He is also a songwriter and recording artist with his band Preson Phillips. He holds an MA in NT from Northern Seminary.

Scot: Website | Instagram | Twitter/X | Threads

Tommy: Substack | Instagram | Threads | Preson Phillips band

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020: Our Values: Curiosity over Certainty

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Here’s the first in a short series on our core values. They’re a work in progress, but I want to share them so you have an idea of our guiding principles.

This week, I’m starting with our desire to show curiosity over certainty.

How many times have we found ourselves in harm’s way for asking a question? How many times have you been met with absolutes, principles, or fundamental truths with no room for comment? Maybe you’ve felt dismissed or demeaned for questioning the way a doctrine seems out of line with the lived practices of many within the very body that professes it.

At Broken to Beloved, we want to approach faith, relationships, and life with a sense of curiosity over certainty. With awe, wonder, and mystery. Certainty leaves no room for faith, which by its very nature is an un-knowing.

If you have questions about what you believe, why you believe it, or any number of other things, you’re welcome here. And we’re glad you’re here.

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019: Podcast Update

Tue, 15 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Broken to Beloved is officially one year old!

This week, I’m taking a few minutes to reflect on what we’ve seen in the last year, and to provide a brief update on the podcast.

I can’t begin to tell you how incredibly grateful I am for each of you who listen. We’ve just hit 10,000 downloads, and have listeners in 49 states and 63 countries outside of the US!

This podcast wouldn’t exist without you in any meaningful way, and I’ve heard such kind and gracious feedback from many of you. If you’re willing, would you leave us a rating or review, or share with your friends?

If there’s a guest you’d like to hear from, send an email to info@brokentobeloved.org to let us know with “Podcast Guest Request” in the subject. I’m looking forward to wrapping up season one with the things we value, along with a few more guests and conversations.

Thank you again for being here. Here’s to moving toward healing and wholeness. Together.

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018: Recovering from Purity Culture with Dr. Camden Morgante

Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

CW: While not explicit, this episode will talk a lot about sex, sexual ethics, and beliefs around sex in and outside of marriage.

If you grew up in church in the 90s and through the 2000s, it’s highly likely you were brought up in purity culture. If you’re here, it’s likely you’ve found yourself deconstructing and disentangling your thoughts and beliefs around sex and sexuality ever since.

Dr. Camden Morgante has done the work of identifying 5 myths around purity culture, and we get to talk about each them, the harm they caused, and how we can work to reform and reconstruct a sexual ethic that allows us to find healthy and authentic ways of embracing and expressing ourselves within the bounds of our current beliefs.

Join us as we discuss overcoming shame, bringing our full and healthy selves into healthier relationships, navigating singleness and dating in (and out of) the church, and more.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Pure by Linda Klein on Bookshop | Amazon
The Great Sex Rescue by Sheila Wray Gregiore on Bookshop | Amazon
Episode 5 with Cait West

Guest Spotlight

Dr. Camden is a licensed psychologist with nearly 15 years of experience as a therapist and college professor. She owns a private therapy practice and is a writer, speaker, and coach on purity culture recovery, egalitarianism, and faith reconstruction. Her first book, Recovering from Purity Culture: Finding Freedom and Reclaiming a Healthier, Values-Based Sexual Ethic, publishes October 15 by Baker Books. Dr. Camden lives in Knoxville, Tennessee with her husband and their daughter and son.

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Recovering from Purity Culture on Bookshop | on Amazon

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017: Experiencing the THROUGH Cohort

Thu, 03 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Surprise! We have a little bonus episode to share from the personal experiences of a few cohort alumni.

If you’ve experienced spiritual abuse, religious trauma, or church hurt/harm and are looking for a safe place to gather and process, then the THROUGH Cohort is for you.

Over 8 weeks, we’ll work together to build trust, find a community of others who share stories like yours, provide safe and compassionate care, and equip you with foundational knowledge and practical tools to seeing and embracing your identity not as broken, but beloved.

Starting October 7, you'll get access to new video lessons in your library on Mondays for you to watch at your convenience. Then, we'll meet virtually on Thursdays or Fridays to discuss that topic at each cohort gathering.

Cost is $399 to join, and limited scholarships are available upon request. Seats are available on a first come, first serve basis, so go to brokentobeloved.org/through to apply today!

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016: Christian Nationalism and Finding Hope in the Margins with Andrew Whitehead

Tue, 01 Oct 2024 02:00:00 -0400

How many of us know someone who talk about holiness and righteousness, then in the same breath can be found cursing out their opposing political party or candidate?

For many of us, the disconnect of faith and politics (or is the over-connection?) has caused much tension and conflict. For some, it’s led to questioning our faith, deconstructing why we believe what we do, and leaving our churches.

Seeing signs declaring Jesus Saves from those who violently marched into the Capital building on January 6 was a moment of startling confusion and clarity for many. So what is Christian Nationalism? And what do we do with it?

Join me as I talk to expert Andrew Whitehead about his book, American Idolatry, why he chose to write it as a cis white man who claims faith in Christ. Hear how he responds to critics who may accuse him of liberalism or wokeness, and how and why he holds on to hope.

Get the full show notes and links here. 📄

Guest Spotlight
Andrew Whitehead is Professor of Sociology at Indiana University Indianapolis.

Whitehead is one of the foremost scholars of Christian nationalism in the United States. He is the author of American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church which was awarded the 2024 Gold Medal Book Award from Foreword Reviews and the 2024 Midwest Book Award. He is also the lead author of Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States.

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015: Healing What's Within through Curiosity and Connection with Chuck DeGroat

Tue, 24 Sep 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Trauma fundamentally disconnects us.

It can disconnect our brains from our bodies. It can sever relationships and entire communities. Those of us familiar with trauma know it can have a real impact on our faith or beliefs. It warps our understanding of others, our sense of safety, and even our own identity.

So how do we find connection again?

When we are alienated from ourselves, each other, and God, how do we find our way back home?

These are the questions that therapist and author Chuck DeGroat tackles in his latest book, Healing What’s Within. This is not a sequel or follow up to his previous When Narcissism Comes to Church, but rather a look at his own journey and process of dealing with his own trauma after spiritual abuse.

His deep knowledge and understanding of therapeutic work coupled with his experience as a minister, DeGroat offers incredibly practical tools for us to examine our own stories with curiosity and compassion and find our way back home to safety and security.

He reiterates our deepest message and hope, that we are indeed not just broken, but deeply Beloved.

Get the full show notes here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Broken to Beloved Conference (for pastors and church leaders)
Broken to Beloved Gathering (for the wounded and their advocates)
Episode 001: with Dr. Alison Cook

Guest Spotlight

Healing What’s Within at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
When Narcissism Comes to Church on Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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014: Meet the Board: Healing and Hope after Spiritual Abuse with Kat Wilkins

Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:00:00 -0400

In this short series, you’ll get to meet each of our board members. Listen to their stories and backgrounds, and why they chose to serve on the board and support the work at Broken to Beloved.

This week, I talk with therapist Kat Wilkins.

Get the full show notes here. 📝

Episode Resources and Links

Broken to Beloved Book Club
The Understory on Bookshop | on Amazon
Episode 13 with Laura Barringer
When Narcissism Comes to Church on Bookshop | on Amazon
Redeeming Power on Bookshop | on Amazon
This Too Shall Last on Bookshop | on Amazon
Conference info and registration
Gathering info and registration

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Guest Spotlight

Website | Instagram

Kat's Story as told in:

Bully Pulpit on Bookshop | on Amazon
Untangled Faith podcast with Amy Fritz

Narcissistic Systems blog series part 1
Narcissistic Systems blog series part 2

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013: Meet the Board: Finding Hope in the Goodness (tov) of God with Laura Barringer

Tue, 10 Sep 2024 02:00:00 -0400

In this short series, you’ll get to meet each of our board members.

Listen to their stories and backgrounds, and why they chose to serve on the board and support the work at Broken to Beloved.

This week, I talk with teacher and author Laura Barringer about her “real” work with Kindergartners, her path to becoming a reluctant author, and how that writing has changed her life today.

Get the full show notes here. 📝

Episode Resources and Links

Episode 7: Forced Forgiveness: Misinterpreting Matthew 18 with Dr. Scot McKnight
Broken to Beloved Conference info and registration
Broken to Beloved Gathering info and registration

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Guest Spotlight

Laura is a full-time teacher, a part-time writer and speaker, and she is coauthor of A Church Called Tov as well as Pivot: The Priorities, Practices and Powers That Can Transform Your Church Into a Tov Culture. She previously co-authored the children's version of The Jesus Creed and wrote a teacher's guide to accompany the book. A graduate of Wheaton College, she resides in the suburbs of Chicago with her husband Mark and their three beagles.

A Church Called Tov on Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Pivot on Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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012: Gathering Invitation for the Wounded and their Advocates

Fri, 06 Sep 2024 05:00:00 -0400

If you’ve experienced any amount of spiritual abuse or religious trauma, you know just how confusing, painful and isolating it can be. It can be hard to put into words just how devastating the impact spiritual abuse can have on an individual and family.

If you’ve had to leave your faith group for any reason, you know what it feels like to lose your community, friendships, and sometimes employment, insurance, spiritual mentors and maybe even a piece of your own identity.

If this sounds like your story or the story of someone you know and care for, I’m inviting you to join us for the first ever Broken to Beloved Gathering. It’s designed for those wounded by the church and their advocates who want to find a safe and welcoming place to discover community and find care and guidance toward embracing your belovedness.

You’ll meet others who have experienced spiritual abuse and religious trauma and discover that you are truly not alone.

I’m thrilled and honored to have therapist and bestselling author Aundi Kolber as our featured speaker. She’ll be sharing from her wisdom and experience around the effects of trauma on our bodies, and what we can do to find a way forward. You can hear a preview of her session in episode 10 of the podcast.

Don't miss this opportunity to attend the first Broken to Beloved Gathering on Friday, September 27.

Go to brokentobeloved.org/gathering and use promo code PODCAST10 to get 10% off your in person or live stream tickets today. Offer expires Friday, 9/13.

Join us as we move toward healing and wholeness. Together. I hope to see you soon.

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011: Conference Invitation for Pastors and Church Leaders

Thu, 05 Sep 2024 15:00:00 -0400

Being a pastor or leader in ministry can feel like an impossible job at times. The job includes not just spiritual direction and discipleship, but management, finances, counseling, and lots more. As if that wasn’t enough, the people in your care often feel an individual entitlement to your time and attention, and rarely understand the scope of the work in front of you.

Add to that the explosion of awareness around spiritual abuse and the many stories and scandals in recent years, and it’s no wonder that those in church leadership are skittish around the terms abuse and trauma. Not to mention that most of us weren’t trained to deal with this in seminary or school. .

How can we best care for those in our congregations who have experienced religious trauma and spiritual abuse? How can we safeguard our own churches and ministries so that we are not (unknowingly) perpetuating harm or abuse?

If you're a pastor or church leader, you're invited to the Broken to Beloved Conference on Thursday, September 26.

You'll hear from pastor and author Steve Carter as he tell us how to build safe and trustworthy spaces. You’ll also hear from attachment experts Geoff and Cyd Holsclaw. You can hear a preview of both their sessions on episodes 8 and 9 of the podcast.

Go to brokentobeloved.org/conference and use promo code PODCAST10 to get 10% off your in person or live stream tickets today. Offer expires Friday, 9/13.

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009: Exploring the Four Landscapes of Attachment with Geoff & Cyd Holsclaw

Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Have you heard of Attachment Theory? Have you ever found yourself lost in the language and terminology? Have you wondered if your less-than-perfect childhood and history of abuse or trauma means you're stuck in a specific style

Geoff and Cyd Holsclaw offer simple, easy to understand language around the concept of Attachment using the visual landscapes of the Pasture, Jungle, Desert, and War Zone. By laying a foundation of joy, Geoff and Cyd explain how our capacity for intimacy and independence can help us move us toward more healthy and whole relationships.

They also share a preview of their "Repairing Distorted Defaults" session at the upcoming Broken to Beloved Conference on September 26.

If you've longed for more secure relationships and a better understanding of your interior landscape, this episode's for you.

Get the full show notes here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

Boundaries by Dr. Henry Cloud and John Townsend at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Episode 001: Navigating Toxic System and Maintaining Agency with Dr. Alison Cook
Broken to Beloved Conference info and registration
Broken to Beloved Gathering info and registration

Guest Spotlight

Geoff (PhD) is an author of multiple books, affiliate professor of theology at Northern Seminary.

Cyd is an author, spiritual director, and pastor. She is also a trauma-informed, Jesus-centered, integrative coach focused on embodied practices and building a secure attachment to God.

Together, they co-host the Attached to God podcast, offering a neuroscience-informed spiritual formation and are the co-author of Does God Really Like Me? Discovering the God Who Wants to Be With You.

Website | Cyd’s website | Geoff’s Instagram | Geoff’s Facebook

Does God Really Like Me? on Amazon

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008: Identity and Integrity After Pain and Loss with Steve Carter

Tue, 20 Aug 2024 08:00:00 -0400

What do you do when you’ve given your life to a cause and calling, to have only to find yourself walking away?

Steve Carter was named as one of two successors to Bill Hybels at Willow Creek Community Church. When the allegations against Hybels broke national news, it all changed. Ultimately, Steve sided with the women who told their stories and resigned his position in protest.

In this week’s conversation, Steve shares about that decision, and how he made choices to pursue integrity, and to allow his own grief to shape, but not define him. He also shares his personal litmus test for recognizing when he is drifting from living with integrity, and how he recognizes living as his full, whole self with integrity.

Plus, we tease his session topic on “Building a Safe and Trustworthy Church” at the upcoming Broken to Beloved Conference on September 26.

Get the full show notes here. 📄

Episode Resources and Links

As Long As You Need by JS Park: at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Broken to Beloved Podcast: Episode 1: Navigating Toxic Systems and Maintaining Agency with Dr. Alison Cook
I Shouldn't Feel This Way by Dr. Alison Cook: at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Continued Conversation with Heather Gargis
Broken to Beloved Conference info and registration
Broken to Beloved Gathering info and registration

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Website | Instagram | X/Twitter | Substack

Grieve, Breathe, Receive on Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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007: Forced Forgiveness: Misinterpreting Matthew 18 with Dr. Scot McKnight

Tue, 13 Aug 2024 02:00:00 -0400

TW/CW: references to sexual assault

Have you ever had Matthew 18 used against you?

Yes, forgiveness is important. And, forgiveness cannot be forced. It must be a freely made choice on our part.

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That Sounds Fun podcast Episode 494: Dr. Scot McKnight on When You Feel Like Your Church Is Falling Apart
That Sounds Fun podcast Episode 879: The Gospel of Matthew with Dr. Scot McKnight

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The Second Testament: A New Testament Translation at Bookshop.org | on Amazon
PIVOT at Bookshop.org | on

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005: Finding Liberation and Reclaiming Agency through a New Story with Cait West

Tue, 30 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Episode 5: Finding Liberation and Reclaiming Agency Through a New Story with Cait West

"By giving voice to the cognitive dissonance required to be a woman under the patriarchy, you robbed it of its power." — Barbie

What does it take to break free from a life controlled by religious patriarchy? Cait shares her journey of awakening to the abuse and control she experienced growing up, and the long and courageous process of reclaiming her agency and voice.

Throughout the conversation, Cait discusses the challenges of writing about trauma, the importance of therapy in her healing journey, and her approach to portraying complex family dynamics with grace. She also reflects on the nature of liberation, both personal and collective, and how she maintains boundaries to avoid falling back into harmful patterns. If you’re looking for insights into the power of storytelling, the ongoing work of healing, and the pursuit of freedom from oppressive systems, this one’s for you.

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Cait is a writer and editor based in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Her work has been published in The Revealer, Religion Dispatches, Fourth Genre and Hawai`i Pacific Review, among others. As an advocate and a survivor of the Christian patriarchy movement, she serves on the editorial board for Tears of Eden, a nonprofit providing resources for survivors of spiritual abuse, and co-hosts the Survivors Discuss podcast.

Website | Substack | Instagram | TikTok

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004: An Honest Look at Grief and Loss with JS Park

Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0400

CW/TW: depression, suicidal ideation

According to chaplain J.S. Park, people are ready for the conversation around grief and loss. Since you're here, I'm going to assume you're one of them.

I feel like I’ve been swimming in the waters of grief, loss, and lament for years now, and this conversation was a breath of fresh air after feeling like I was drowning in denial and dismissal.

We talk about what it’s like swimming in those deep waters for extended periods of time, the effect it can have on us and those around us, and how to keep going when things can seem hopeless.

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The Noonday Demon by Andrew Solomon
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003: Making Space for Everyone to be Welcomed with Jenai Auman

Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Have you ever felt pushed to the margins of a community? Made to feel like you don’t quite belong? Whether it’s for your politics, sexual identity, faith (or lack of it), or for naming bad behavior, we are made to feel “othered” for a wide variety of reasons.

In this week’s episode, artist and author Jenai Auman talks about her experience of being othered, and how she chose to name her experience and find a way forward. We talk about her new book, why and how it was written, and about reclaiming spaces for ourselves.

Learn how to reclaim your autonomy and agency. Hear the ways creating and fostering beauty help to mend our fractures. Make space to welcome yourself and the othered.

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Othered at Bookshop.org | on Amazon

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002: Embracing Death and the Hope of Wholeness with Lore Wilbert

Tue, 09 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Episode 2: Embracing Death and the Hope of Wholeness with Lore Wilbert

Death is not always the end. In fact, it’s often a beginning and the doorway to a resurrection. Brian and Lore share the importance of embracing both death and life, the connection to nature, finding peace in the present moment, and navigating change and transformation. They also touch on the significance of liminal spaces and the process of shedding old layers to make way for new growth and discuss themes of grief, healing, and finding beauty in brokenness.

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"Centering Prayer" by Andrew Peterson on Sanctuary Songs by Porter’s Gate
How to Walk Into A Room by Emily P. Freeman
"To Think of the Life of a Man" by Wendell Berry
"Heavy" by Mary Oliver

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001: Navigating Toxic Systems and Maintaining Agency with Dr. Alison Cook

Tue, 02 Jul 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Have you ever wondered how to find your way back into healthy relationships after abuse and trauma? By providing clear steps to Name, Frame, and Brave our experiences, Dr. Alison Cook offers practical wisdom to move toward healing and wholeness.
We talk about the unique challenges of leaving toxic spaces and environments when they involve family or our livelihood, ways to set boundaries, and to remain curious to our internal world.

🔗 link to full Show Notes and transcript

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Episode Resources and Links
How to Walk Into A Room by Emily P. Freeman on Bookshop.org | on Amazon
Grieve, Breathe, Receive by Steve Carter on Bookshop.org | on Amazon
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Podcast Trailer

Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:00:00 -0400

The Broken to Beloved Podcast officially launches NEXT WEEK!

Join us this season for weekly episodes each Tuesday, starting July 2. Our first guests include Lore Wilbert, JS Park, Jenai Auman, Tim Whitaker, Cait West, and many more.

My hope for this podcast is to provide practical resources through compassionate conversations to grow in trauma awareness, set up safeguarding practices to prevent or avoid future trauma, and move toward healing and wholeness.

We’ll be kicking things off with episode one with the one and only Dr. Alison Cook, therapist, host of the top-ranked The Best of You podcast, and author o
f several books, including her latest, I Shouldn’t Feel This Way.

Subscribe and follow the show so you don’t miss an episode. Join us as we move toward healing and wholeness. Together. I’ll see you soon.