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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Therapy can teach you skills and still leave you wondering, “Do I sound real?” Ryan Ramos Master's student in Clinical Mental Health Counseling sits down with Dr. Jorge Rosales Lopez, a counseling professor at Palo Alto University, to talk about the part of clinical work that doesn’t fit into a worksheet: authenticity. We get into what it means to show up as yourself first and a counselor second, and why clients can feel the difference between a polished technique and a human response.  From ...]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Chitra Thummarukudy, LMFT and Phd student in Counselor Education and Supervision (Palo Alto University,CA) shares her journey from fashion merchandising to becoming a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in adolescent counseling, revealing how her experience as a parent sparked her passion for supporting youth mental health.  • Child and adolescent counseling helps model healthy relationships and builds emotional regulation skills • Teenagers are incredibly resilient and often ...]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Counselors-in-training Mike Nguyen and Geena Ortiz join Ryan Ramos to explore LGBTQ+ youth bullying, sharing personal experiences and professional insights. The conversation reveals how discrimination impacts identity development and mental health while offering practical strategies for creating affirming school environments.  • Bullying involves power imbalances and often manifests as discrimination when targeting LGBTQ+ youth • 73% of LGBTQ+ youth report experiencing identity-based discrimi...]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[What happens when a theater performer decides to channel their storytelling gifts into the therapeutic relationship? Jennifer Kiehl, associate marriage and family therapist and doctoral student at Palo Alto University, reveals the fascinating parallel between performance arts and counseling in this deeply personal conversation about career transitions and finding your true calling.  Jennifer shares how her background in theater and personal narrative led naturally to counseling, driven by her...]]></itunes:summary>
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