Clergy Wellbeing Down Under Wed, 27 May 2026 20:14:49 -0400 https://effectiveserving.com.au en-us © 2026 Clergy Wellbeing Down Under yes 1bfccf08-c0ab-5176-8e9a-a84e119454dc valerie@effectiveserving.com.au Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving serial false Welcome to the official first podcast of the Centre for Effective Serving, a research and consulting organisation focused on vocational wellbeing, burnout prevention, and training.  In Season 1 we are focussing on Clergy Wellbeing Down Under.  

In today's fast-paced and demanding world, support for those who serve by leadership is more crucial than ever. However, the pressures and challenges that come with leadership roles can often lead to burnout and exhaustion, both mentally and physically. At the Centre for Effective Serving, we understand the significance of addressing these issues head-on to create a healthier and more productive leadership landscape.

In each episode  we delve into the latest research and resources developed by our team of experts, who are dedicated to enhancing leadership wellbeing and fostering a supportive environment for leaders to thrive. Our podcast provides valuable insights, evidence-based strategies, and practical tips to help leaders and their families maintain their well-being, improve their resilience, and prevent burnout.

Join us as we bring on renowned experts in the fields of psychology, mental health, leadership, and well-being to share their knowledge and experiences. Through candid interviews and engaging discussions, we explore various topics, including stress management techniques, emotional intelligence, work-life integration, team building, and much more.


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]]> Buzzsprout (https://www.buzzsprout.com) pastor, ministry, clergy, leadership, burnout Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving valerie@effectiveserving.com.au https://storage.buzzsprout.com/3643iors642y93lnkjko2puu06cp?.jpg Clergy Wellbeing Down Under https://effectiveserving.com.au Valerie Ling Season 3 Finale: The Common Table Story Season 3 Finale: The Common Table Story The Common Table Colaborative Story

In this episode, we explore the inspiring journey behind the Common Table, a groundbreaking ecumenical initiative fostering collaboration across Christian denominations. Our guests, Dr. Thad Austin and Kashmiri Schmookler, delve into how trust, shared practices, and diverse spiritual traditions are transforming leadership support and community health within the church.

Main Topics:

  • Origins and evolution of the Common Table since 2013
  • The role of relational and spiritual capital across faith traditions
  • Insights from empirical research on clergy health and wellbeing
  • Strategies for ecumenical collaboration and breaking theological barriers
  • Future gatherings and envisioning a resilient, supportive church community

In this episode:

  • Thad shares how initial concerns about pastors’ wellbeing led to the creation of a support network
  • Kashmiri explains the significance of spiritual accompaniment across diverse faith backgrounds
  • Insights into how trust acts as the currency for collaborative success in ministry
  • Practical tips for fostering ecumenical dialogue and shared practices
  • Announcements about the 2027 Common Table gathering in Boston focusing on resilience and suffering

Timestamps: 

00:00 - Introduction to the episode and guests
 00:27 - Thad's background and work with the Common Table
 01:34 - Kashmiri’s journey from multi-faith upbringing to spiritual accompaniment
 02:59 - Defining spiritual accompaniment and its importance in transition and crisis
 04:14 - Heritage and faith background of Kashmiri
 06:11 - The roots of the Common Table and its foundational research efforts
 07:55 - Connecting support networks for pastors and church leaders
 09:33 - The systemic analysis of pastoral wellbeing challenges
 11:56 - The influence of empirical research and funding in clergy health initiatives
 13:39 - Personal stories of burnout and resilience within church leadership
 17:27 - The vision of unity and the Body of Christ working together
 18:24 - The role of relational and spiritual capital across traditions
 19:43 - Culture of ecumenical openness and shared prayer practices
 21:43 - The logo and name of the Common Table - symbolizing inclusion and open seats
 23:54 - The power of imagination in church innovation and collaboration
 24:53 - Kashmiri’s upcoming spiritual care initiatives
 27:58 - The role of pastors’ past experiences in shaping support services
 30:33 - Addressing brokenness and promoting healthy leadership
 32:16 - Challenges with funding and ecumenical barriers in collaborative efforts
 34:22 - Building bridges between different church traditions
 36:07 - The importance of trust and practical engagement strategies
 38:15 - Guidelines for respectful and effective group participation
 41:39 - Key outcomes from past gatherings and cross-sector collaboration
 44:28 - Christian practices and spiritual community development
 46:07 - Announcing the 2027 Boston gathering focused on resilience and crisis response

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Upcoming:

2027 Common Table Gathering in Boston, focusing on resilience and suffering in the church, bringing together scholars and faith leaders from diverse traditions to foster healing and collaboration.

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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> The Common Table Colaborative Story

In this episode, we explore the inspiring journey behind the Common Table, a groundbreaking ecumenical initiative fostering collaboration across Christian denominations. Our guests, Dr. Thad Austin and Kashmiri Schmookler, delve into how trust, shared practices, and diverse spiritual traditions are transforming leadership support and community health within the church.

Main Topics:

  • Origins and evolution of the Common Table since 2013
  • The role of relational and spiritual capital across faith traditions
  • Insights from empirical research on clergy health and wellbeing
  • Strategies for ecumenical collaboration and breaking theological barriers
  • Future gatherings and envisioning a resilient, supportive church community

In this episode:

  • Thad shares how initial concerns about pastors’ wellbeing led to the creation of a support network
  • Kashmiri explains the significance of spiritual accompaniment across diverse faith backgrounds
  • Insights into how trust acts as the currency for collaborative success in ministry
  • Practical tips for fostering ecumenical dialogue and shared practices
  • Announcements about the 2027 Common Table gathering in Boston focusing on resilience and suffering

Timestamps: 

00:00 - Introduction to the episode and guests
 00:27 - Thad's background and work with the Common Table
 01:34 - Kashmiri’s journey from multi-faith upbringing to spiritual accompaniment
 02:59 - Defining spiritual accompaniment and its importance in transition and crisis
 04:14 - Heritage and faith background of Kashmiri
 06:11 - The roots of the Common Table and its foundational research efforts
 07:55 - Connecting support networks for pastors and church leaders
 09:33 - The systemic analysis of pastoral wellbeing challenges
 11:56 - The influence of empirical research and funding in clergy health initiatives
 13:39 - Personal stories of burnout and resilience within church leadership
 17:27 - The vision of unity and the Body of Christ working together
 18:24 - The role of relational and spiritual capital across traditions
 19:43 - Culture of ecumenical openness and shared prayer practices
 21:43 - The logo and name of the Common Table - symbolizing inclusion and open seats
 23:54 - The power of imagination in church innovation and collaboration
 24:53 - Kashmiri’s upcoming spiritual care initiatives
 27:58 - The role of pastors’ past experiences in shaping support services
 30:33 - Addressing brokenness and promoting healthy leadership
 32:16 - Challenges with funding and ecumenical barriers in collaborative efforts
 34:22 - Building bridges between different church traditions
 36:07 - The importance of trust and practical engagement strategies
 38:15 - Guidelines for respectful and effective group participation
 41:39 - Key outcomes from past gatherings and cross-sector collaboration
 44:28 - Christian practices and spiritual community development
 46:07 - Announcing the 2027 Boston gathering focused on resilience and crisis response

Resources & Links:


Upcoming:

2027 Common Table Gathering in Boston, focusing on resilience and suffering in the church, bringing together scholars and faith leaders from diverse traditions to foster healing and collaboration.

Send us Fan Mail

Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19245491 Wed, 27 May 2026 09:00:00 +1000 2665 3 12 full false Pastors NEED Intentional Support Pastors NEED Intentional Support Most pastors carry a heavier burden than many realize. After a near-breaking point during a Sunday service—overwhelmed by grief, exhaustion, and loneliness—Reverend Dr. Todd Adams openly shares how he hit rock bottom and found renewal. This episode reveals the often invisible emotional toll of ministry and the vital importance of self-care, community, and tailored support systems for faith leaders.Todd’s raw story uncovers the high-stakes silent struggles that pastors face—the grief of congregants, financial stress, burnout, and the deep desire to serve without losing themselves. In candid detail, he walks us through the pivotal moment that made him realize he couldn’t continue on the destructive pace he was set on. As the President and CEO of a major pension fund, Todd now champions programs addressing clergy wellness, including the innovative Cornerstones project.


You'll discover: how pastors’ emotional wounds go unnoticed and untreated, the critical role of peer support groups in overcoming isolation, and the groundbreaking strategies behind Cornerstones—a spiritual and practical wellness initiative. We break down the power of feeling safe and seen in groups that honor diversity, affinity, and vulnerability, emphasizing that authentic engagement leads to transformation.This episode emphasizes why neglecting pastors’ mental, emotional, and social health risks losing the very leaders who nurture communities of faith. Todd reveals how comprehensive support can restore resilience, elevate well-being, and ensure pastors not only survive but thrive—mentally, physically, and spiritually. For church leaders, ministry workers, or anyone committed to supporting faith communities, this is a blueprint for meaningful change.


Join us for insights rooted in firsthand experience, inspiring hope, and practical wisdom to combat the silent epidemic of ministry burnout. If you believe pastors deserve more support and genuine well-being, you’ll want to hear Todd’s powerful story and the impactful solutions reshaping ministry care.


Main Topics:

 

  • The toll of pastoral ministry and recognizing burnout (00:02 - 07:25)

 

  • Personal journey of breakdown and recovery (01:42 - 17:37)

 

  • The role and mission of Pension Fund of the Christian Church (17:45 - 20:20)

 

  • Financial struggles faced by ministers, including debt and retirement concerns (20:39 - 26:51)

 

  • Introduction to the Cornerstones program: design and impact (27:04 - 31:47)

 

  • The importance of cohort flexibility, peer support, and diversity (30:34 - 39:20)

 

  • Measuring outcomes and future directions for pastor support (39:50 - 44:53)

 

  • Personal reflections on leadership, honesty, and hope for the future (44:53 - 50:04)

 

Send us Fan Mail

Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Most pastors carry a heavier burden than many realize. After a near-breaking point during a Sunday service—overwhelmed by grief, exhaustion, and loneliness—Reverend Dr. Todd Adams openly shares how he hit rock bottom and found renewal. This episode reveals the often invisible emotional toll of ministry and the vital importance of self-care, community, and tailored support systems for faith leaders.Todd’s raw story uncovers the high-stakes silent struggles that pastors face—the grief of congregants, financial stress, burnout, and the deep desire to serve without losing themselves. In candid detail, he walks us through the pivotal moment that made him realize he couldn’t continue on the destructive pace he was set on. As the President and CEO of a major pension fund, Todd now champions programs addressing clergy wellness, including the innovative Cornerstones project.


You'll discover: how pastors’ emotional wounds go unnoticed and untreated, the critical role of peer support groups in overcoming isolation, and the groundbreaking strategies behind Cornerstones—a spiritual and practical wellness initiative. We break down the power of feeling safe and seen in groups that honor diversity, affinity, and vulnerability, emphasizing that authentic engagement leads to transformation.This episode emphasizes why neglecting pastors’ mental, emotional, and social health risks losing the very leaders who nurture communities of faith. Todd reveals how comprehensive support can restore resilience, elevate well-being, and ensure pastors not only survive but thrive—mentally, physically, and spiritually. For church leaders, ministry workers, or anyone committed to supporting faith communities, this is a blueprint for meaningful change.


Join us for insights rooted in firsthand experience, inspiring hope, and practical wisdom to combat the silent epidemic of ministry burnout. If you believe pastors deserve more support and genuine well-being, you’ll want to hear Todd’s powerful story and the impactful solutions reshaping ministry care.


Main Topics:

 

  • The toll of pastoral ministry and recognizing burnout (00:02 - 07:25)

 

  • Personal journey of breakdown and recovery (01:42 - 17:37)

 

  • The role and mission of Pension Fund of the Christian Church (17:45 - 20:20)

 

  • Financial struggles faced by ministers, including debt and retirement concerns (20:39 - 26:51)

 

  • Introduction to the Cornerstones program: design and impact (27:04 - 31:47)

 

  • The importance of cohort flexibility, peer support, and diversity (30:34 - 39:20)

 

  • Measuring outcomes and future directions for pastor support (39:50 - 44:53)

 

  • Personal reflections on leadership, honesty, and hope for the future (44:53 - 50:04)

 

Send us Fan Mail

Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19213840 Thu, 21 May 2026 10:00:00 +1000 2665 3 11 full false Trauma and Moral Injury in Ministry Trauma and Moral Injury in Ministry In this episode, Kristen Hydinger, a researcher at Boston University's Danielson Institute, shares insights into the unique mental health challenges faced by clergy and chaplains, emphasizing trauma, moral injury, and resilience factors. She discusses innovative support programs and highlights the importance of systemic change and community in fostering spiritual caregivers' wellbeing.

Main Topics:

  • Definitions and distinctions among trauma, moral injury, and burnout in religious leaders
  • Unique risk factors and traumatic exposures faced by clergy and chaplains
  • Differences in workplace environments between congregational clergy and chaplains
  • The impact of organizational policies, expectations, and external stressors like COVID-19
  • The Chrysalis program: a holistic, online support initiative for clergy wellbeing
  • Preparing seminary students for the realities of ministry and crisis response
  • The importance of community and systemic support structures for sustainable ministry

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to Kristen Hydinger and her research background
 01:01 - Overview of the Danielson Institute and its interdisciplinary focus
 02:20 - Defining trauma in clergy and chaplains—clinical distinctions
 03:01 - The concept of vicarious trauma and moral injury in spiritual caregivers
 04:27 - Burnout: overlapping but distinct from trauma and moral injury
 05:33 - PTSD prevalence among clergy and how it relates to trauma levels
 07:14 - Exploring the roles of clergy vs. chaplains and their workplace differences
 08:12 - How COVID-19 intensified stressors for religious leaders and support responses
 09:30 - Empirical research on trauma exposure and wellbeing of clergy and chaplains
 11:03 - The unique spiritual and existential trauma experienced by clergy
 12:19 - Physical risks and safety concerns for clergy in pastoral work
 13:07 - Organizational, theological, and community pressures contributing to trauma
 15:14 - Specific scenarios leading to traumatic exposure in ministry
 16:25 - Organizational conflicts, community expectations, and decline pressures
 18:12 - The surge of conflict during crises like COVID-19 and their traumatic impacts
 19:31 - Case examples of acute traumatic exposures and moral dilemmas
 20:06 - Power dynamics, forced departures, and organizational stressors
 21:05 - The latent profile analysis: resilience, flourishing, and risk categories
 22:24 - Study demographics and percentages across resilience spectra
 23:44 - Implications of the high prevalence of burnout and trauma markers
 24:46 - Personal reflections as a researcher and clergy about sustainability in ministry
 25:10 - The role of systemic support—or lack thereof—in clergy wellbeing
 26:03 - Moral injury examples involving organizational mandates and ethical conflicts
 27:04 - Impact of organizational pressures on pastoral decision-making and relationships
 29:18 - The challenge of limited mental health care referral options in ministry
 30:35 - The ripple effects of ministry stress on family and personal life
 32:27 - Practical scenarios involving moral injury in community and rural settings
 34:03 - Gaps in seminary training regarding crisis response and trauma preparedness
 35:18 - The importance of equipping clergy with mental health first aid skills
 36:01 - The Chrysalis program: an innovative online resilience and self-care initiative
 37:27 - Program content: processing work-related residue and external resources
 38:36 - Holistic approaches to sustainment, including internal and external supports
 40:16 - Final thoughts: community, systemic change, and shared wellbeing in ministry

To enquire about the CH

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Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> In this episode, Kristen Hydinger, a researcher at Boston University's Danielson Institute, shares insights into the unique mental health challenges faced by clergy and chaplains, emphasizing trauma, moral injury, and resilience factors. She discusses innovative support programs and highlights the importance of systemic change and community in fostering spiritual caregivers' wellbeing.

Main Topics:

  • Definitions and distinctions among trauma, moral injury, and burnout in religious leaders
  • Unique risk factors and traumatic exposures faced by clergy and chaplains
  • Differences in workplace environments between congregational clergy and chaplains
  • The impact of organizational policies, expectations, and external stressors like COVID-19
  • The Chrysalis program: a holistic, online support initiative for clergy wellbeing
  • Preparing seminary students for the realities of ministry and crisis response
  • The importance of community and systemic support structures for sustainable ministry

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to Kristen Hydinger and her research background
 01:01 - Overview of the Danielson Institute and its interdisciplinary focus
 02:20 - Defining trauma in clergy and chaplains—clinical distinctions
 03:01 - The concept of vicarious trauma and moral injury in spiritual caregivers
 04:27 - Burnout: overlapping but distinct from trauma and moral injury
 05:33 - PTSD prevalence among clergy and how it relates to trauma levels
 07:14 - Exploring the roles of clergy vs. chaplains and their workplace differences
 08:12 - How COVID-19 intensified stressors for religious leaders and support responses
 09:30 - Empirical research on trauma exposure and wellbeing of clergy and chaplains
 11:03 - The unique spiritual and existential trauma experienced by clergy
 12:19 - Physical risks and safety concerns for clergy in pastoral work
 13:07 - Organizational, theological, and community pressures contributing to trauma
 15:14 - Specific scenarios leading to traumatic exposure in ministry
 16:25 - Organizational conflicts, community expectations, and decline pressures
 18:12 - The surge of conflict during crises like COVID-19 and their traumatic impacts
 19:31 - Case examples of acute traumatic exposures and moral dilemmas
 20:06 - Power dynamics, forced departures, and organizational stressors
 21:05 - The latent profile analysis: resilience, flourishing, and risk categories
 22:24 - Study demographics and percentages across resilience spectra
 23:44 - Implications of the high prevalence of burnout and trauma markers
 24:46 - Personal reflections as a researcher and clergy about sustainability in ministry
 25:10 - The role of systemic support—or lack thereof—in clergy wellbeing
 26:03 - Moral injury examples involving organizational mandates and ethical conflicts
 27:04 - Impact of organizational pressures on pastoral decision-making and relationships
 29:18 - The challenge of limited mental health care referral options in ministry
 30:35 - The ripple effects of ministry stress on family and personal life
 32:27 - Practical scenarios involving moral injury in community and rural settings
 34:03 - Gaps in seminary training regarding crisis response and trauma preparedness
 35:18 - The importance of equipping clergy with mental health first aid skills
 36:01 - The Chrysalis program: an innovative online resilience and self-care initiative
 37:27 - Program content: processing work-related residue and external resources
 38:36 - Holistic approaches to sustainment, including internal and external supports
 40:16 - Final thoughts: community, systemic change, and shared wellbeing in ministry

To enquire about the CH

Send us Fan Mail

Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19118215 Thu, 07 May 2026 00:00:00 +1000 2521 3 10 full false When Harvard Partners the Church When Harvard Partners the Church  Scaling Mental Health Support through Faith Communities: Insights from Dr. John Naslund

Discover how faith-based initiatives and community-led programs are transforming mental health outreach across diverse cultural settings, from India to Texas. Dr. John Naslund shares innovative strategies for leveraging existing community structures, digital tools, and evidence-based therapies to expand access and reduce stigma.  Find a sense of purpose and meaning 


In this episode:

 

  • The origins and evolution of the Empower program for global mental health

 

  • How faith communities serve as vital partners in mental health intervention and support

 

  • The role of culturally adapted behavioral activation in resource-limited settings

 

  • The launch and growth of the Congregational Collective in Texas

 

  • Practical steps for integrating mental health training in churches and other faith groups

 

  • Differences in scaling approaches between India and the US under health policy and community needs

 

  • The importance of ongoing support, supervision, and community ownership in mental health initiatives

 

  • Opportunities for Australia to adopt and adapt similar community-based mental health strategies

 

Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction to Dr. John Naslund and his work in global mental health
01:20 - How community and faith sectors can help address mental health gaps
03:00 - The background and motivation behind the Empower psychosocial intervention
05:18 - Evidence base for psychosocial treatments and strategies for low-resource settings
07:06 - Digital tools supporting scalable mental health training
09:21 - The emergence and role of the Congregational Collective in Texas
11:15 - How behavioral activation fits into faith communities
13:05 - Training and deploying local church community members as mental health navigators
16:59 - Delivering brief behavioral activation sessions within faith settings
18:26 - Screenings, referrals, and managing serious cases in faith community programs
22:56 - The evolving perception and engagement with mental health in faith communities
27:32 - Feedback and shifts in faith community responses to mental health needs
30:30 - Cross-cultural origins and adaptations of behavioral activation programs
34:17 - The success of scaling mental health in India and implications for other countries
38:26 - Community-driven demand for mental health support in the US and beyond
41:14 - Final insights on expanding access through non-traditional settings
43:58 - Closing remarks and invitations for collaborations in Australia

 


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Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]>  Scaling Mental Health Support through Faith Communities: Insights from Dr. John Naslund

Discover how faith-based initiatives and community-led programs are transforming mental health outreach across diverse cultural settings, from India to Texas. Dr. John Naslund shares innovative strategies for leveraging existing community structures, digital tools, and evidence-based therapies to expand access and reduce stigma.  Find a sense of purpose and meaning 


In this episode:

 

  • The origins and evolution of the Empower program for global mental health

 

  • How faith communities serve as vital partners in mental health intervention and support

 

  • The role of culturally adapted behavioral activation in resource-limited settings

 

  • The launch and growth of the Congregational Collective in Texas

 

  • Practical steps for integrating mental health training in churches and other faith groups

 

  • Differences in scaling approaches between India and the US under health policy and community needs

 

  • The importance of ongoing support, supervision, and community ownership in mental health initiatives

 

  • Opportunities for Australia to adopt and adapt similar community-based mental health strategies

 

Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction to Dr. John Naslund and his work in global mental health
01:20 - How community and faith sectors can help address mental health gaps
03:00 - The background and motivation behind the Empower psychosocial intervention
05:18 - Evidence base for psychosocial treatments and strategies for low-resource settings
07:06 - Digital tools supporting scalable mental health training
09:21 - The emergence and role of the Congregational Collective in Texas
11:15 - How behavioral activation fits into faith communities
13:05 - Training and deploying local church community members as mental health navigators
16:59 - Delivering brief behavioral activation sessions within faith settings
18:26 - Screenings, referrals, and managing serious cases in faith community programs
22:56 - The evolving perception and engagement with mental health in faith communities
27:32 - Feedback and shifts in faith community responses to mental health needs
30:30 - Cross-cultural origins and adaptations of behavioral activation programs
34:17 - The success of scaling mental health in India and implications for other countries
38:26 - Community-driven demand for mental health support in the US and beyond
41:14 - Final insights on expanding access through non-traditional settings
43:58 - Closing remarks and invitations for collaborations in Australia

 


Send us Fan Mail

Podcast Disclaimer:

Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19094977 Thu, 30 Apr 2026 00:00:00 +1000 2439 3 9 full false Faithfulness beyond giving and attendance - with Brian Foreman Faithfulness beyond giving and attendance - with Brian Foreman Brian Foreman, with three decades of experience related to congregations as staff and support, he combines his theological, leadership and community engagement education with the practical experience of serving congregations, and he is most passionate about seeing individuals and congregations transform their communities through the invitation God has given them to join in God’s work. A key way Brian serves churches is through a ministry that builds a platform for congregations to equip one another for the unique challenges and opportunities of being church in their respective contexts.

Brian received his BA in Religion and Christian Ministries from Campbell University, a Master of Religious Education from Duke University Divinity School and a Doctorate in Education Leadership from the University of North Carolina – Charlotte.

 

Key topics

 

  • The development and purpose of the Thriving Traits Assessment, including five key traits: compelling clarity, dynamic collaboration, rooted relationships, faithful agility, and holy tenacity.

 

  • The importance of perception gaps between clergy and congregants, and how the assessment helps bridge those perceptions.

 

  • How the assessment uses self-evaluation by both leaders and members, fostering honest dialogue.

 

  • The role of stories and community narratives in strengthening congregational identity.

 

  • Challenges pastors face with political and social issues, and how the assessment can unify diverse church personalities.

 

  • The transformative potential of the assessment to shift organizational culture from program-driven to relationally connected.

 

  • The analogy between church health metrics and personal accountability measures like Bible reading and prayer.

 

  • The significant impact of understanding perception gaps, especially in areas like clarity and collaboration, leading to more aligned ministry efforts.

 

  • The influence of societal changes and social media on youth ministry and congregational engagement strategies.

 

  • The importance of curiosity, openness, and storytelling in church leadership and community development.

 

TIMESTAMPS

00:01 - Introduction to Brian Foreman and his work with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
 00:32 - Brian's recent holiday experience in Curacao and insights into social media influence
 01:22 - Observations on beach culture and social media influencers
 01:45 - Conversations about local coffee and its significance to travel experience
 02:24 - The challenge of finding coffee at events and its symbolism in community engagement
 02:52 - Overview of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship: mission and diversity
 04:02 - Explanation of church autonomy within Baptist tradition and ecumenical collaborations
 04:58 - The concept and evolution of the Fellowship over 35 years
 05:47 - Brian’s background in youth ministry and theological reflection with teens
 06:11 - Transition from youth minister to educator and organizational leadership lessons
 08:42 - Current challenges in youth ministry, social media impact, and adolescent development
 10:00 - Shifts in youth engagement, service motivations, and pandemic effects
 12:20 - Metrics in youth ministry: relational and storytelling approaches over attendance or activities
 14:41 - Introduction to the Thriving Traits project and its core traits
 16:25 - How the traits emerged from community listening sessions and focus groups
 17:25 - Description of the Thriving Traits Assessment and its design
 18:49 - The importance of self-assessment, perception gaps, and honest reflection in ch

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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Brian Foreman, with three decades of experience related to congregations as staff and support, he combines his theological, leadership and community engagement education with the practical experience of serving congregations, and he is most passionate about seeing individuals and congregations transform their communities through the invitation God has given them to join in God’s work. A key way Brian serves churches is through a ministry that builds a platform for congregations to equip one another for the unique challenges and opportunities of being church in their respective contexts.

Brian received his BA in Religion and Christian Ministries from Campbell University, a Master of Religious Education from Duke University Divinity School and a Doctorate in Education Leadership from the University of North Carolina – Charlotte.

 

Key topics

 

  • The development and purpose of the Thriving Traits Assessment, including five key traits: compelling clarity, dynamic collaboration, rooted relationships, faithful agility, and holy tenacity.

 

  • The importance of perception gaps between clergy and congregants, and how the assessment helps bridge those perceptions.

 

  • How the assessment uses self-evaluation by both leaders and members, fostering honest dialogue.

 

  • The role of stories and community narratives in strengthening congregational identity.

 

  • Challenges pastors face with political and social issues, and how the assessment can unify diverse church personalities.

 

  • The transformative potential of the assessment to shift organizational culture from program-driven to relationally connected.

 

  • The analogy between church health metrics and personal accountability measures like Bible reading and prayer.

 

  • The significant impact of understanding perception gaps, especially in areas like clarity and collaboration, leading to more aligned ministry efforts.

 

  • The influence of societal changes and social media on youth ministry and congregational engagement strategies.

 

  • The importance of curiosity, openness, and storytelling in church leadership and community development.

 

TIMESTAMPS

00:01 - Introduction to Brian Foreman and his work with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
 00:32 - Brian's recent holiday experience in Curacao and insights into social media influence
 01:22 - Observations on beach culture and social media influencers
 01:45 - Conversations about local coffee and its significance to travel experience
 02:24 - The challenge of finding coffee at events and its symbolism in community engagement
 02:52 - Overview of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship: mission and diversity
 04:02 - Explanation of church autonomy within Baptist tradition and ecumenical collaborations
 04:58 - The concept and evolution of the Fellowship over 35 years
 05:47 - Brian’s background in youth ministry and theological reflection with teens
 06:11 - Transition from youth minister to educator and organizational leadership lessons
 08:42 - Current challenges in youth ministry, social media impact, and adolescent development
 10:00 - Shifts in youth engagement, service motivations, and pandemic effects
 12:20 - Metrics in youth ministry: relational and storytelling approaches over attendance or activities
 14:41 - Introduction to the Thriving Traits project and its core traits
 16:25 - How the traits emerged from community listening sessions and focus groups
 17:25 - Description of the Thriving Traits Assessment and its design
 18:49 - The importance of self-assessment, perception gaps, and honest reflection in ch

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]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19057353 Thu, 23 Apr 2026 00:00:00 +1000 2902 3 8 full false Immigration, Faith and Belonging Immigration, Faith and Belonging Dr. Allison Norton is Associate Professor of Migration Studies and Congregational Life at Hartford International University, where she directs the Pastoral Innovation Network of New England and co-directs the Hartford Institute for Religion Research. She teaches courses in sociology of religion, immigration, and multicultural and intergenerational ministry. Her research and publications explore the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on U.S. congregations, the rise of megachurches in West Africa, the transnational dimension of African Pentecostalism, the role of migration on the worldwide expansion of the Christian faith, and the religious identities of the “new” second generation.

Join us as we delve into the fascinating intersection of migration, religious identity, and the evolving landscape of church engagement with Dr. Alison Norton, an expert in migration studies and religious research. Discover insights on how digital spaces, demographic shifts, and multicultural dynamics are reshaping communities of faith in the post-pandemic world.

Key Topics:

  • The religious identities of second-generation migrants, especially Ghanaian Americans
  • How churches serve as homes and communities for diaspora populations
  • Trends in religious participation among youth and the impact of globalization
  • Virtual church: engagement, multitasking, and participation metrics
  • The rise of "multiple belongings" and congregational shopping
  • The impact of demographics on mega church growth in Africa
  • Clergy mental health and wellness during and after COVID-19
  • The significance of trauma, loneliness, and relational health in pastoral life
  • Practical implications of online worship, accessibility, and hybrid models
  • Trends in clergy part-time vs. full-time wellness and city-wide church collaborations

In this episode:

  • Dr. Norton discusses her research on the religious motivations and identities of second-generation Ghanaians in the U.S.
  • The role of church as a community hub for migrants displaced from ancestral contexts
  • How digital worship participation is measured and understood, with surprising findings on multitasking
  • The concept of "multiple belongings" and how church shopping can foster ecumenical relationships
  • Demographic influences on the growth and decline of religious groups globally
  • The evolving mental health landscape among clergy, including burnout and relational loneliness
  • The enduring impact of virtual worship on church life and future considerations for ecclesiology
  • Encouragement for communities to foster mutual care, connection, and flexible belonging

 

Timestamps:

00:00 - Welcome and introduction to Dr. Allison Norton
 02:45 - Understanding the religious identities of second-generation migrants
 05:11 - How church serves as a place of belonging for diaspora communities
 08:20 - African megachurches: demographics and growth trends
 11:42 - Research insights on virtual worship participation and multitasking
 16:57 - Online engagement, distraction, and theological implications
 21:56 - Accessibility and convenience in digital church models
 26:31 - Multiple belongings and church shopping: ecumenical opportunities
 33:43 - The impact of trauma, mental health, and pastor wellness during COVID
 41:33 - Clergy loneliness, relational health, and support systems
 45:01 - The role of fear and trauma in post-pandemic church communities
 50:29 - Hope, resilience, and the future of community belonging

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]]> Dr. Allison Norton is Associate Professor of Migration Studies and Congregational Life at Hartford International University, where she directs the Pastoral Innovation Network of New England and co-directs the Hartford Institute for Religion Research. She teaches courses in sociology of religion, immigration, and multicultural and intergenerational ministry. Her research and publications explore the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on U.S. congregations, the rise of megachurches in West Africa, the transnational dimension of African Pentecostalism, the role of migration on the worldwide expansion of the Christian faith, and the religious identities of the “new” second generation.

Join us as we delve into the fascinating intersection of migration, religious identity, and the evolving landscape of church engagement with Dr. Alison Norton, an expert in migration studies and religious research. Discover insights on how digital spaces, demographic shifts, and multicultural dynamics are reshaping communities of faith in the post-pandemic world.

Key Topics:

  • The religious identities of second-generation migrants, especially Ghanaian Americans
  • How churches serve as homes and communities for diaspora populations
  • Trends in religious participation among youth and the impact of globalization
  • Virtual church: engagement, multitasking, and participation metrics
  • The rise of "multiple belongings" and congregational shopping
  • The impact of demographics on mega church growth in Africa
  • Clergy mental health and wellness during and after COVID-19
  • The significance of trauma, loneliness, and relational health in pastoral life
  • Practical implications of online worship, accessibility, and hybrid models
  • Trends in clergy part-time vs. full-time wellness and city-wide church collaborations

In this episode:

  • Dr. Norton discusses her research on the religious motivations and identities of second-generation Ghanaians in the U.S.
  • The role of church as a community hub for migrants displaced from ancestral contexts
  • How digital worship participation is measured and understood, with surprising findings on multitasking
  • The concept of "multiple belongings" and how church shopping can foster ecumenical relationships
  • Demographic influences on the growth and decline of religious groups globally
  • The evolving mental health landscape among clergy, including burnout and relational loneliness
  • The enduring impact of virtual worship on church life and future considerations for ecclesiology
  • Encouragement for communities to foster mutual care, connection, and flexible belonging

 

Timestamps:

00:00 - Welcome and introduction to Dr. Allison Norton
 02:45 - Understanding the religious identities of second-generation migrants
 05:11 - How church serves as a place of belonging for diaspora communities
 08:20 - African megachurches: demographics and growth trends
 11:42 - Research insights on virtual worship participation and multitasking
 16:57 - Online engagement, distraction, and theological implications
 21:56 - Accessibility and convenience in digital church models
 26:31 - Multiple belongings and church shopping: ecumenical opportunities
 33:43 - The impact of trauma, mental health, and pastor wellness during COVID
 41:33 - Clergy loneliness, relational health, and support systems
 45:01 - The role of fear and trauma in post-pandemic church communities
 50:29 - Hope, resilience, and the future of community belonging

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]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-19005266 Thu, 16 Apr 2026 00:00:00 +1000 2832 3 7 full false Strategies That Work for Every Clergy and One That Matters Most for Married Clergy Strategies That Work for Every Clergy and One That Matters Most for Married Clergy Dr Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell, PhD, is a Professor of Global Health at Duke University and Director of the Duke Clergy Health Initiative, for which she has been the lead researcher since its inception in 2007. She is an expert in conducting clinical trials of behavioral interventions that integrate physical and mental health. She has designed and rigorously tested two interventions for United Methodist clergy: Spirited Life, which promoted holistic health and reduced metabolic syndrome, and Selah, which tested stress management practices and reduced stress and anxiety symptoms while enhancing positive mental health. 

In this episode Rae Jean  shares insights from extensive research on mental health, stress management, and the importance of positive emotions within clergy and their families. Main topics:

  • Impact of clergy well-being initiatives over 19 years
  • Physical health disparities and cultural factors affecting clergy health
  • The role of positive mental health: emotions, social, and psychological functioning
  • Interventions like mindfulness, prayer practices, and structured programs
  • Practical tools: daily wellbeing practices and the profiling of clergy health
  • Family and community influence on clergy well-being and resilience


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]]> Dr Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell, PhD, is a Professor of Global Health at Duke University and Director of the Duke Clergy Health Initiative, for which she has been the lead researcher since its inception in 2007. She is an expert in conducting clinical trials of behavioral interventions that integrate physical and mental health. She has designed and rigorously tested two interventions for United Methodist clergy: Spirited Life, which promoted holistic health and reduced metabolic syndrome, and Selah, which tested stress management practices and reduced stress and anxiety symptoms while enhancing positive mental health. 

In this episode Rae Jean  shares insights from extensive research on mental health, stress management, and the importance of positive emotions within clergy and their families. Main topics:

  • Impact of clergy well-being initiatives over 19 years
  • Physical health disparities and cultural factors affecting clergy health
  • The role of positive mental health: emotions, social, and psychological functioning
  • Interventions like mindfulness, prayer practices, and structured programs
  • Practical tools: daily wellbeing practices and the profiling of clergy health
  • Family and community influence on clergy well-being and resilience


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]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-18948270 Thu, 09 Apr 2026 00:00:00 +1000 3914 3 6 full false Caring for our physical bodies as clergy Caring for our physical bodies as clergy Dr Matt Edwards has been a Doctor in the UK for over twenty years before transitioning to work with Thrive Worldwide with a vision to helping people and organisations to thrive. His role with Thrive has developed from Medical Director, Director of Individual Thriving and now Chief Clinical Officer. This role involves overseeing the multi-disciplinary clinical team of Medical, Psychosocial and Occupational Health clinicians. He is on the executive team helping the oversight of the organisation. He is passionate about promoting health and wellbeing in the whole-person context.


Dr. Matt Edwards discusses the physical and psychosocial health challenges faced by ministry workers, the importance of physical health, and strategies for thriving in ministry and retirement. 
 



"Chronic stress damages the body over time."
"Plan your transition to retirement carefully."
"Self-care isn't selfish, it's essential."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Thrive Worldwide and Dr. Matt Edwards
02:08 Understanding Thrive's Mission and Services
04:16 Psychosocial Support in Ministry
07:34 Resilience and Self-Awareness in Ministry Candidates
09:49 Medical Observations of Clergy Health
13:35 The Impact of Ministry on Physical Health
20:00 Chronic Stress and Its Effects on Clergy
22:25 Aging and Health in Ministry
23:23 The Unique Challenges of Pastoral Care
26:09 Understanding Loneliness in Ministry
31:11 Physical Health Concerns for Ministry Workers
34:53 Navigating Retirement in Ministry
39:05 Honoring Ministry Workers in Transition




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]]> Dr Matt Edwards has been a Doctor in the UK for over twenty years before transitioning to work with Thrive Worldwide with a vision to helping people and organisations to thrive. His role with Thrive has developed from Medical Director, Director of Individual Thriving and now Chief Clinical Officer. This role involves overseeing the multi-disciplinary clinical team of Medical, Psychosocial and Occupational Health clinicians. He is on the executive team helping the oversight of the organisation. He is passionate about promoting health and wellbeing in the whole-person context.


Dr. Matt Edwards discusses the physical and psychosocial health challenges faced by ministry workers, the importance of physical health, and strategies for thriving in ministry and retirement. 
 



"Chronic stress damages the body over time."
"Plan your transition to retirement carefully."
"Self-care isn't selfish, it's essential."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Thrive Worldwide and Dr. Matt Edwards
02:08 Understanding Thrive's Mission and Services
04:16 Psychosocial Support in Ministry
07:34 Resilience and Self-Awareness in Ministry Candidates
09:49 Medical Observations of Clergy Health
13:35 The Impact of Ministry on Physical Health
20:00 Chronic Stress and Its Effects on Clergy
22:25 Aging and Health in Ministry
23:23 The Unique Challenges of Pastoral Care
26:09 Understanding Loneliness in Ministry
31:11 Physical Health Concerns for Ministry Workers
34:53 Navigating Retirement in Ministry
39:05 Honoring Ministry Workers in Transition




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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-18804428 Thu, 02 Apr 2026 00:00:00 +1100 2346 3 5 full false From Burnout to Flourishing with Dr Chris Adams From Burnout to Flourishing with Dr Chris Adams The Flourishing in Ministry project began over ten years ago at the University of Notre Dame. Dr. Matt Bloom, whose wife is a pastor, led a team of researchers (including Dr. Chris Adams, Executive Director) to develop insights about clergy well-being. 

Dr. Adams now leads the Flourishing in Ministry project at Rosemead School of Psychology, Biola University, as part of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative. The research study currently includes over 20,000 clergy surveys and several hundred in-depth interviews with a diverse group of clergy. 

In this conversation we learn about the key practices and implementable strategies that this research has found to make the difference in a flourishing ministry.

In this episode:

 

  • The complex, multi-faceted role of pastors and how it differs from other helping professions

 

  • The mental health challenges clergy face, including burnout rates comparable to teachers and social workers

 

  • The impact of leadership styles—healthy versus pathological—and their effects on congregations

 

  • The Five Dimensions of Flourishing: daily well-being, resilience, authenticity, social ecosystem, and how these interrelate

 

  • Practical strategies for pastors to sustain daily well-being, including spiritual practices, boundary-setting, and community support

 

  • The importance of organizational and community-level support for long-term health

 

  • Unique challenges faced by pastors' families and the concept of front stage/backstage in ministry

 

  • The role of relational ecosystems—mentors, friends, church community—in fostering resilience and authenticity

 

Take the free Flourishing in Ministry Assessment and get access to resources and tips that will help you: https://www.flourishinginministry.org/

Timestamps: 

00:00 - Introduction to Dr. Chris Adams and his work on clergy well-being
 02:13 - The influence of family history and pastoral lineage
 03:28 - Challenges of clergy killing congregations
 04:55 - How past experiences shape current research interests
 06:14 - Dual focus of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative
 07:44 - Differentiating ministry from other helping professions
 08:13 - Unique relational demands of pastors
 10:06 - The toll of role immersion and 24/7 responsibilities
 11:21 - The complexity of being a pastor: job analysis insights
 13:39 - Burnout rates among clergy in comparison to other helping professions
 15:05 - Addressing the myth that pastors should work as hard as their congregation members
 16:48 - How pastors can understand and manage their work hours
 18:58 - The flourishing model: origins, survey, and key constructs
 20:55 - The five dimensions of flourishing and the free assessment tool
 22:45 - Insights from the large clergy dataset and the importance of cultural adaptation
 24:28 - Longitudinal research findings: positive spirals and downward trends
 26:09 - Building daily well-being through spiritual practices and rhythms
 27:54 - Small, consistent practices that promote resilience and joy
 30:24 - The role of emotion regulation, assertiveness, and role crafting
 31:55 - The organizational and relational factors influencing long-term flourishing
 33:16 - Societal and occupational health parallels across professions
 34:54 - Organizational influences from denominational policies to community support
 37:41 - The impact of work-family interference on pastors’ well-being
 41:03 - Practical daily routines for managing unpredictability and maintaining joy
 44:04 - The importance of perspecti

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]]> The Flourishing in Ministry project began over ten years ago at the University of Notre Dame. Dr. Matt Bloom, whose wife is a pastor, led a team of researchers (including Dr. Chris Adams, Executive Director) to develop insights about clergy well-being. 

Dr. Adams now leads the Flourishing in Ministry project at Rosemead School of Psychology, Biola University, as part of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative. The research study currently includes over 20,000 clergy surveys and several hundred in-depth interviews with a diverse group of clergy. 

In this conversation we learn about the key practices and implementable strategies that this research has found to make the difference in a flourishing ministry.

In this episode:

 

  • The complex, multi-faceted role of pastors and how it differs from other helping professions

 

  • The mental health challenges clergy face, including burnout rates comparable to teachers and social workers

 

  • The impact of leadership styles—healthy versus pathological—and their effects on congregations

 

  • The Five Dimensions of Flourishing: daily well-being, resilience, authenticity, social ecosystem, and how these interrelate

 

  • Practical strategies for pastors to sustain daily well-being, including spiritual practices, boundary-setting, and community support

 

  • The importance of organizational and community-level support for long-term health

 

  • Unique challenges faced by pastors' families and the concept of front stage/backstage in ministry

 

  • The role of relational ecosystems—mentors, friends, church community—in fostering resilience and authenticity

 

Take the free Flourishing in Ministry Assessment and get access to resources and tips that will help you: https://www.flourishinginministry.org/

Timestamps: 

00:00 - Introduction to Dr. Chris Adams and his work on clergy well-being
 02:13 - The influence of family history and pastoral lineage
 03:28 - Challenges of clergy killing congregations
 04:55 - How past experiences shape current research interests
 06:14 - Dual focus of the Mental Health and the Church Initiative
 07:44 - Differentiating ministry from other helping professions
 08:13 - Unique relational demands of pastors
 10:06 - The toll of role immersion and 24/7 responsibilities
 11:21 - The complexity of being a pastor: job analysis insights
 13:39 - Burnout rates among clergy in comparison to other helping professions
 15:05 - Addressing the myth that pastors should work as hard as their congregation members
 16:48 - How pastors can understand and manage their work hours
 18:58 - The flourishing model: origins, survey, and key constructs
 20:55 - The five dimensions of flourishing and the free assessment tool
 22:45 - Insights from the large clergy dataset and the importance of cultural adaptation
 24:28 - Longitudinal research findings: positive spirals and downward trends
 26:09 - Building daily well-being through spiritual practices and rhythms
 27:54 - Small, consistent practices that promote resilience and joy
 30:24 - The role of emotion regulation, assertiveness, and role crafting
 31:55 - The organizational and relational factors influencing long-term flourishing
 33:16 - Societal and occupational health parallels across professions
 34:54 - Organizational influences from denominational policies to community support
 37:41 - The impact of work-family interference on pastors’ well-being
 41:03 - Practical daily routines for managing unpredictability and maintaining joy
 44:04 - The importance of perspecti

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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-18897317 Thu, 26 Mar 2026 00:00:00 +1100 2771 3 4 full false When science agrees with religion with Dr Byron Johnson When science agrees with religion with Dr Byron Johnson Looking for gumption to persevere in ministry? Looking for spectacular evidence for the case of religion? Interested in what makes death row inmates flourish more than the global population? Debunking the Gallup Happiness report with the #1 countries that flourish *hint* it speaks to suffering NOT GDP or education.  You will want to catch this one.

Dr Byron Johnson is Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University. He is the founding director of the Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion (ISR) as well as director of the Program on Prosocial Behavior. Johnson is a faculty affiliate of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, and is Visiting Distinguished Professor in the School of Public Policy at Pepperdine University. He is a leading authority on the scientific study of religion, human flourishing, the efficacy of faith-based organizations, and criminal justice. He has been the principal investigator on grants from private foundations as well as the Department of Justice, Department of Labor, Department of Defense,
National Institutes of Health, and the United States Institute for Peace. His newest books are The Faith Factor and Social Welfare: Rethinking Evidence, Practice, and Policy (2026), and The Death of Religion: Nones, Others, and the Flourishing of Faith.


Key Topics:

 

  • The groundbreaking scope and scope of the Global Flourishing Study, measuring over 200,000 participants across 20 countries

 

  • How religious participation, particularly faith-based activities, correlates strongly with multiple domains of flourishing

 

  • The surprising resilience and flourishing among prisoners, including those on death row

 

  • The significance of community, relationships, and spiritual capital in societal well-being

 

  • The role of suffering, trauma, and trauma recovery in fostering resilience and spiritual growth

 

  • Findings indicating that GDP and material wealth are inversely related to flourishing, emphasizing mental and relational health

 

  • Practical implications for churches, congregations, and faith communities in fostering holistic well-being

 

Timestamps:

 

  • (00:00) - Introduction to Dr Byron Johnson and his credentials

 

  • (01:02) - The cross-centered approach to research and its significance

 

  • (02:30) - Landmark status of the Global Flourishing Study

 

  • (03:30) - The biblical concept of abundant life and human flourishing

 

  • (04:27) - Shift from predicting wrongdoing to understanding positive human behaviors

 

  • (05:27) - The importance of recovery, rebuilding, and pro-social behaviors

 

  • (06:55) - The study’s scope: over 20 countries, 200,000 participants, 100 researchers

 

  • (08:19) - Origins of the study and the importance of spontaneous collaboration

 

  • (10:09) - Challenges in translation and implementing the study internationally

 

  • (12:24) - How the study showcases God's goodness through high-quality research

 

  • (13:20) - The importance of causal inference and longitudinal studies

 

  • (15:15) - Key findings on well-being across diverse cultures and nations

 

  • (16:43) - The global challenge of youth struggles and disparities between developed and developing nations

 

  • (17:42) - The pivotal role community plays in holistic flourishing

 

  • (18:39) - The six domains of flourishing and the limitations of GDP as a sole indicator

 

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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Looking for gumption to persevere in ministry? Looking for spectacular evidence for the case of religion? Interested in what makes death row inmates flourish more than the global population? Debunking the Gallup Happiness report with the #1 countries that flourish *hint* it speaks to suffering NOT GDP or education.  You will want to catch this one.

Dr Byron Johnson is Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University. He is the founding director of the Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion (ISR) as well as director of the Program on Prosocial Behavior. Johnson is a faculty affiliate of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, and is Visiting Distinguished Professor in the School of Public Policy at Pepperdine University. He is a leading authority on the scientific study of religion, human flourishing, the efficacy of faith-based organizations, and criminal justice. He has been the principal investigator on grants from private foundations as well as the Department of Justice, Department of Labor, Department of Defense,
National Institutes of Health, and the United States Institute for Peace. His newest books are The Faith Factor and Social Welfare: Rethinking Evidence, Practice, and Policy (2026), and The Death of Religion: Nones, Others, and the Flourishing of Faith.


Key Topics:

 

  • The groundbreaking scope and scope of the Global Flourishing Study, measuring over 200,000 participants across 20 countries

 

  • How religious participation, particularly faith-based activities, correlates strongly with multiple domains of flourishing

 

  • The surprising resilience and flourishing among prisoners, including those on death row

 

  • The significance of community, relationships, and spiritual capital in societal well-being

 

  • The role of suffering, trauma, and trauma recovery in fostering resilience and spiritual growth

 

  • Findings indicating that GDP and material wealth are inversely related to flourishing, emphasizing mental and relational health

 

  • Practical implications for churches, congregations, and faith communities in fostering holistic well-being

 

Timestamps:

 

  • (00:00) - Introduction to Dr Byron Johnson and his credentials

 

  • (01:02) - The cross-centered approach to research and its significance

 

  • (02:30) - Landmark status of the Global Flourishing Study

 

  • (03:30) - The biblical concept of abundant life and human flourishing

 

  • (04:27) - Shift from predicting wrongdoing to understanding positive human behaviors

 

  • (05:27) - The importance of recovery, rebuilding, and pro-social behaviors

 

  • (06:55) - The study’s scope: over 20 countries, 200,000 participants, 100 researchers

 

  • (08:19) - Origins of the study and the importance of spontaneous collaboration

 

  • (10:09) - Challenges in translation and implementing the study internationally

 

  • (12:24) - How the study showcases God's goodness through high-quality research

 

  • (13:20) - The importance of causal inference and longitudinal studies

 

  • (15:15) - Key findings on well-being across diverse cultures and nations

 

  • (16:43) - The global challenge of youth struggles and disparities between developed and developing nations

 

  • (17:42) - The pivotal role community plays in holistic flourishing

 

  • (18:39) - The six domains of flourishing and the limitations of GDP as a sole indicator

 

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Please be aware that the opinions and viewpoints shared on this podcast are personal to me and my guests, and do not represent the stance of any institution.  This podcast aims to present findings for open discussion and dialogue, inviting listeners to engage critically and draw their own conclusions. While the content serves informational purposes, it is not a substitute for professional advice. Thank you for joining me on this journey of exploration and conversation!

]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-18859465 Thu, 19 Mar 2026 04:00:00 +1100 2593 3 3 full false The Science of John 10:10 With Dr Victor Counted The Science of John 10:10 With Dr Victor Counted Dr. Victor Counted discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith 

Dr. Victor Counted is an Associate Professor of Psychology, Director of the Office of Research and Sponsored Programs at Regent University and the Lead for Abundant Life Flourishing Lab. Counted is a Faculty Affiliate of Harvard University’s Human Flourishing Program and a Fellow of the International Society for Science and Religion.  In this episode, Victor discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith communities.



 keywords

Christian flourishing, faith and psychology, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, research in faith communities, abundant life, psychological science, church growth, spiritual vitality


 key  topics

Christian flourishing framework
Relationship between faith and psychological well-being
Attachment theory and faith development


 guest  name

Dr. Victor Counted


Titles

The Science of Christian Flourishing: A New Framework
Bonding with God: Unlocking Spiritual Maturity


 sound bites

"Flourishing is a journey, not just outcomes."
"Love, passion, and commitment shape our faith."
"God is the ultimate attachment figure."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background
01:23 The Abundant Life Flourishing Initiative
02:28 Studying Christian Flourishing Scientifically
04:55 Developing a Framework for Christian Flourishing
07:43 Christian Flourishing vs. Spiritual Maturity
10:55 Relationship with Christ as the Foundation of Flourishing
15:38 The Role of Behavior in Faith and Flourishing
20:55 Love, Commitment, and Passion in Faith
25:57 Attachment Theory and Relationship with God
33:54 Moving from Attachment to Flourishing
44:38 Empirical Research and the Public Good
52:41 Rootedness and Resilience in Flourishing Life
55:46 Final Reflections and Encouragements


Links:

Global Flourishing Study - https://globalflourishing.org/
Bonding with God (Book) - https://www.amazon.com/Bonding-God-Dr-Victor-Counted
Abundant Life Flourishing Lab - https://regent.edu/research/abundant-life-flourishing
Harvard Human Flourishing Program - https://hfh.harvard.edu/


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]]> Dr. Victor Counted discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith 

Dr. Victor Counted is an Associate Professor of Psychology, Director of the Office of Research and Sponsored Programs at Regent University and the Lead for Abundant Life Flourishing Lab. Counted is a Faculty Affiliate of Harvard University’s Human Flourishing Program and a Fellow of the International Society for Science and Religion.  In this episode, Victor discusses the integration of positive psychology and Christian theology to understand and promote human flourishing from a faith-based perspective. Topics include Christian flourishing, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, and the importance of empirical research in faith communities.



 keywords

Christian flourishing, faith and psychology, spiritual maturity, attachment theory, research in faith communities, abundant life, psychological science, church growth, spiritual vitality


 key  topics

Christian flourishing framework
Relationship between faith and psychological well-being
Attachment theory and faith development


 guest  name

Dr. Victor Counted


Titles

The Science of Christian Flourishing: A New Framework
Bonding with God: Unlocking Spiritual Maturity


 sound bites

"Flourishing is a journey, not just outcomes."
"Love, passion, and commitment shape our faith."
"God is the ultimate attachment figure."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background
01:23 The Abundant Life Flourishing Initiative
02:28 Studying Christian Flourishing Scientifically
04:55 Developing a Framework for Christian Flourishing
07:43 Christian Flourishing vs. Spiritual Maturity
10:55 Relationship with Christ as the Foundation of Flourishing
15:38 The Role of Behavior in Faith and Flourishing
20:55 Love, Commitment, and Passion in Faith
25:57 Attachment Theory and Relationship with God
33:54 Moving from Attachment to Flourishing
44:38 Empirical Research and the Public Good
52:41 Rootedness and Resilience in Flourishing Life
55:46 Final Reflections and Encouragements


Links:

Global Flourishing Study - https://globalflourishing.org/
Bonding with God (Book) - https://www.amazon.com/Bonding-God-Dr-Victor-Counted
Abundant Life Flourishing Lab - https://regent.edu/research/abundant-life-flourishing
Harvard Human Flourishing Program - https://hfh.harvard.edu/


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LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/victorcounted
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]]> Valerie Ling Centre For Effective Serving Buzzsprout-18798240 Thu, 12 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +1100 2984 3 2 full false The mental health needs and profile of Bible College Students with Dr David Eagle The mental health needs and profile of Bible College Students with Dr David Eagle Dr David Eagle is an Associate Research Professor of Global Health and Sociology. He leads the Religion and Social Change Lab (RaSCL) RaSCL. RaSCL is a team of researchers and practitioners who use the tools of social science to deepen understanding, spark conversations, and develop resources for the training and formation of faith leaders and their communities. They work collaboratively with the Duke Clergy Health Initiative (CHI) to promote clergy well-being across the lifecycle and shifting cultural landscapes.

He is an expert on the health of religious clergy, the changing role of churches in North American society and the implications of these trends for the professional training of ministers. He has done significant work on burnout, depression and social support. 

He is the Principal Investigator of The Seminary to Early Ministry Study, a multi-year, multi-cohort study seeking to understand how seminary impacts the health, occupational wellbeing, theology, and career trajectories of students.  In this episode, Dr. David Eagle discusses this particular research.

Season 3 of the Clergy Wellbeing Down Under Podcast brings you into the rich conversations shared at the Common Table Global Gathering in Houston earlier in 2026, a collaborative meeting of leading scholars and practitioners committed to clergy and congregational wellbeing. At this interdenominational table, leaders from many christian faith traditions chose to set aside what divides their beliefs and lean into what they hold in common, seeking the common good not only of the church, but of the world—and this season, we’re inviting our guests to continue that same hopeful, cross-tradition dialogue with you. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Dr. David Eagle and His Work
03:09 The Clergy Health Initiative: Understanding Clergy Wellbeing
06:39 The Seminary to Early Ministry Study: Insights and Findings
10:31 Adverse Childhood Experiences and Their Impact on Seminarians
13:21 Navigating Vulnerabilities: The Role of Community in Seminary
16:49 Political Polarization and Its Effects on Ministry
20:12 The Importance of Identity and Belonging in Ministry
23:35 Protective Factors for Seminarians: Strengths and Support
26:31 The Role of Beliefs and Community in Seminary Experience
30:09 Building Human Capacity in Pastoral Leadership
33:34 Advice for Early Career Pastors and Ministry Workers
37:03 Recommendations for Seminaries and Churches Supporting New Leaders

 


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]]> Dr David Eagle is an Associate Research Professor of Global Health and Sociology. He leads the Religion and Social Change Lab (RaSCL) RaSCL. RaSCL is a team of researchers and practitioners who use the tools of social science to deepen understanding, spark conversations, and develop resources for the training and formation of faith leaders and their communities. They work collaboratively with the Duke Clergy Health Initiative (CHI) to promote clergy well-being across the lifecycle and shifting cultural landscapes.

He is an expert on the health of religious clergy, the changing role of churches in North American society and the implications of these trends for the professional training of ministers. He has done significant work on burnout, depression and social support. 

He is the Principal Investigator of The Seminary to Early Ministry Study, a multi-year, multi-cohort study seeking to understand how seminary impacts the health, occupational wellbeing, theology, and career trajectories of students.  In this episode, Dr. David Eagle discusses this particular research.

Season 3 of the Clergy Wellbeing Down Under Podcast brings you into the rich conversations shared at the Common Table Global Gathering in Houston earlier in 2026, a collaborative meeting of leading scholars and practitioners committed to clergy and congregational wellbeing. At this interdenominational table, leaders from many christian faith traditions chose to set aside what divides their beliefs and lean into what they hold in common, seeking the common good not only of the church, but of the world—and this season, we’re inviting our guests to continue that same hopeful, cross-tradition dialogue with you. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Dr. David Eagle and His Work
03:09 The Clergy Health Initiative: Understanding Clergy Wellbeing
06:39 The Seminary to Early Ministry Study: Insights and Findings
10:31 Adverse Childhood Experiences and Their Impact on Seminarians
13:21 Navigating Vulnerabilities: The Role of Community in Seminary
16:49 Political Polarization and Its Effects on Ministry
20:12 The Importance of Identity and Belonging in Ministry
23:35 Protective Factors for Seminarians: Strengths and Support
26:31 The Role of Beliefs and Community in Seminary Experience
30:09 Building Human Capacity in Pastoral Leadership
33:34 Advice for Early Career Pastors and Ministry Workers
37:03 Recommendations for Seminaries and Churches Supporting New Leaders

 


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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-18785580 Wed, 04 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +1100 2644 3 1 full false Season 2 Finale with Colin Buchanan! This one is for the kids! Season 2 Finale with Colin Buchanan! This one is for the kids! Colin Buchanan ministers directly to our ministry kids addressing 7 of the top themes that came up from our survey.  Honestly - this one is best seen on the video version because - well - Colin is in full view with all of the expressions, animations, and actions that is truly Colin.  The link for the video version can be found here.

It's a bit of a long episode - skip to the sections if that makes it easier:

4:06 Playing the Google AutoComplete Challenge with Colin

12:02 Playing Vague Seven Questions and a Tree!

13:37 My friends call me weird and think what my parents do is weird

19:14 Being busy as a ministry family there's a lot on

22:20 I feel like I have to behave better than other kids

26:46 I miss out on fun things and hanging out with friends becasue I have to go to church stuff

30:43 What can I do when I don't feel like I belong anywhere?

35:11 I get lonely sometimes - do you Colin?

39:09 What can I pray when things gets hard?

42:20 A question about ...a tree....

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]]> Colin Buchanan ministers directly to our ministry kids addressing 7 of the top themes that came up from our survey.  Honestly - this one is best seen on the video version because - well - Colin is in full view with all of the expressions, animations, and actions that is truly Colin.  The link for the video version can be found here.

It's a bit of a long episode - skip to the sections if that makes it easier:

4:06 Playing the Google AutoComplete Challenge with Colin

12:02 Playing Vague Seven Questions and a Tree!

13:37 My friends call me weird and think what my parents do is weird

19:14 Being busy as a ministry family there's a lot on

22:20 I feel like I have to behave better than other kids

26:46 I miss out on fun things and hanging out with friends becasue I have to go to church stuff

30:43 What can I do when I don't feel like I belong anywhere?

35:11 I get lonely sometimes - do you Colin?

39:09 What can I pray when things gets hard?

42:20 A question about ...a tree....

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15946805 Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:00:00 +1100 2730 2 11 full false Ministry Siblings: Anna Cox and Michael Jensen Ministry Siblings: Anna Cox and Michael Jensen Anna Cox who serves with Reach Australia and Michael Jensen (podcast co-host of With All Due Respect) are siblings who share their perspective growing up within the evangelical Christian Anglican community in Sydney.  While Anna and Michael shared the same upbringing, they reflect on how differing personalities can shape one’s response to the ministry family experience. They also share what it was like to grow up surrounded by theological students, their fondest memories of faith communities, and some of the formative experiences growing up in the "fishbowl".

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]]> Anna Cox who serves with Reach Australia and Michael Jensen (podcast co-host of With All Due Respect) are siblings who share their perspective growing up within the evangelical Christian Anglican community in Sydney.  While Anna and Michael shared the same upbringing, they reflect on how differing personalities can shape one’s response to the ministry family experience. They also share what it was like to grow up surrounded by theological students, their fondest memories of faith communities, and some of the formative experiences growing up in the "fishbowl".

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15960687 Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:00:00 +1100 2507 2 10 full false The Pastor's Kid Part 2 with Barnabas Piper The Pastor's Kid Part 2 with Barnabas Piper Join me, Valerie Ling, for part 2, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence.

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"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.

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]]> Join me, Valerie Ling, for part 2, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence.

Get the full report of our survey findings here

"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15927478 Thu, 17 Oct 2024 06:00:00 +1100 1958 2 9 full false The Pastor's Kid Part 1 with Barnabas Piper The Pastor's Kid Part 1 with Barnabas Piper Join me, Valerie Ling, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence. 

Get the full report of our survey findings here

"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.


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]]> Join me, Valerie Ling, as I sit down with Barnabas Piper, author, pastor and son of theologian John Piper, for a candid and helpful conversation about being a pastor's kid. Barnabas shares his personal story of navigating life as a pastor's kid, where the blend of public scrutiny and private faith creates a unique tension of identity and independence. 

Get the full report of our survey findings here

"Pastors' kids are often burdened by others' expectations, but there is a wonderful solution, both at home and in the church: grace. In this revised, refreshed version of Barnabas Piper's best-known book, the author candidly shares his own experiences as son of pastor and bestselling author John Piper, offering a challenge to our churches and to the families at their very heart: how to care for pastors' kids and allow them to find their own faith and identity. Foreword by John Piper."  Quoted from The Wandering Bookseller where you can get the copy of Barnabas Piper's book - The Pastor's Kid: What it's like and how to help.


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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15927495 Wed, 16 Oct 2024 23:00:00 +1100 1670 2 8 full false Episode 7: Navigating Parenting in Ministry Part 2 with Collett Smart Episode 7: Navigating Parenting in Ministry Part 2 with Collett Smart In this conversation, Collett Smart discuss the challenges and nuances of parenting in ministry, particularly focusing on the unique struggles faced by ministry kids. We explore themes of faith, identity, the importance of open communication, and the need for space and privacy for children. The discussion looks at the significance of relationships, understanding, and grace in navigating the complexities of raising children in a ministry context.


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]]> In this conversation, Collett Smart discuss the challenges and nuances of parenting in ministry, particularly focusing on the unique struggles faced by ministry kids. We explore themes of faith, identity, the importance of open communication, and the need for space and privacy for children. The discussion looks at the significance of relationships, understanding, and grace in navigating the complexities of raising children in a ministry context.


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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15894646 Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:00:00 +1100 1751 2 7 full false Episode 6: Navigating Parenting in Ministry Part 1 with Collett Smart Episode 6: Navigating Parenting in Ministry Part 1 with Collett Smart In this conversation, I speak with Collett Smart - psychologist, author and speaker in child and adoelscent mental health. Collett hosts the Raising Teens Podcast and is the author of "They'll be okay. 15 Conversations To Help Your Child Through troubled Times "

We delve into the complexities of adolescent mental health, particularly within the context of ministry families. We discuss the importance of understanding the adolescent brain, the impact of technology on mental health, and how parents can connect with their children. The conversation looks at ways we can share empathy, effective communication, and parenting support for the challenges faced by ministry kids. Collett shares insights on how parents can support their children through their mental health struggles while navigating their faith journey. The discussion also touches on the importance of creating space for individual needs and the dynamics of family decisions in ministry.

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]]> In this conversation, I speak with Collett Smart - psychologist, author and speaker in child and adoelscent mental health. Collett hosts the Raising Teens Podcast and is the author of "They'll be okay. 15 Conversations To Help Your Child Through troubled Times "

We delve into the complexities of adolescent mental health, particularly within the context of ministry families. We discuss the importance of understanding the adolescent brain, the impact of technology on mental health, and how parents can connect with their children. The conversation looks at ways we can share empathy, effective communication, and parenting support for the challenges faced by ministry kids. Collett shares insights on how parents can support their children through their mental health struggles while navigating their faith journey. The discussion also touches on the importance of creating space for individual needs and the dynamics of family decisions in ministry.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15866706 Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:00:00 +1100 1649 2 6 full false Episode 5: Growing Up Between Continents and Churches with Marsden Sampson Episode 5: Growing Up Between Continents and Churches with Marsden Sampson Growing up in the unique world of ministry life can shapes a child's perspective in unique ways. Marsden Sampson knows this journey intimately, being both a pastor's kid and a missionary kid. He recounts his story of traversing cultural landscapes from Australia to Kenya and back, and how these transitions shaped his understanding of belonging, loneliness, and identity. Marsden's candid reflections illuminate the less-discussed emotional landscape faced by children in ministry settings.

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]]> Growing up in the unique world of ministry life can shapes a child's perspective in unique ways. Marsden Sampson knows this journey intimately, being both a pastor's kid and a missionary kid. He recounts his story of traversing cultural landscapes from Australia to Kenya and back, and how these transitions shaped his understanding of belonging, loneliness, and identity. Marsden's candid reflections illuminate the less-discussed emotional landscape faced by children in ministry settings.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15860795 Thu, 03 Oct 2024 14:00:00 +1000 1983 2 5 full false Episode 4: Supporting Ministry Families with Neurodivergent Children with Tanya Crossman Episode 4: Supporting Ministry Families with Neurodivergent Children with Tanya Crossman How can you make church environments inclusive for neurodivergent children, especially those in ministry families serving abroad? Tanya Crossman brings part 2 to her interview with me and shares her lived, and expert insights on this critical topic.

Creating a welcoming space for all children in church is more than just a nicety—it's a necessity. Listen as we explore the importance of recognizing each child's individuality, from addressing them by name to understanding their unique interests. We also tackle the formidable challenges faced by ministry families in cross-cultural contexts, particularly in regions with limited support systems.

Finally, we delve into the complexities of seeking diagnosis and support for children in international settings. Tanya emphasizes the importance of advanced planning and consistent health assessments for families abroad. We discuss best practices for tracking child development, advocating for access to counselling and training, and the significance of supporting parents. With hope, direction, and gratitude, we aim to foster a supportive environment for families and the gospel. Listen in for a conversation that promises to equip you with the tools and insights needed to support neurodivergent children in ministry families.

Resources for ND kids/families:

Link to the upcoming workshop we talked about

Spark Life Psychology

Senia

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]]> How can you make church environments inclusive for neurodivergent children, especially those in ministry families serving abroad? Tanya Crossman brings part 2 to her interview with me and shares her lived, and expert insights on this critical topic.

Creating a welcoming space for all children in church is more than just a nicety—it's a necessity. Listen as we explore the importance of recognizing each child's individuality, from addressing them by name to understanding their unique interests. We also tackle the formidable challenges faced by ministry families in cross-cultural contexts, particularly in regions with limited support systems.

Finally, we delve into the complexities of seeking diagnosis and support for children in international settings. Tanya emphasizes the importance of advanced planning and consistent health assessments for families abroad. We discuss best practices for tracking child development, advocating for access to counselling and training, and the significance of supporting parents. With hope, direction, and gratitude, we aim to foster a supportive environment for families and the gospel. Listen in for a conversation that promises to equip you with the tools and insights needed to support neurodivergent children in ministry families.

Resources for ND kids/families:

Link to the upcoming workshop we talked about

Spark Life Psychology

Senia

For a copy of our survey results head here 

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15785984 Thu, 26 Sep 2024 10:00:00 +1000 1555 2 4 full false Episode 3: The Hidden Challenges and Strengths of Third Culture Kids (TCKs) with Tanya Crossman Episode 3: The Hidden Challenges and Strengths of Third Culture Kids (TCKs) with Tanya Crossman Discover the hidden challenges and strengths of Third Culture Kids (TCKs), who grow up outside of their passport country, and how their unique experiences shapes their lives in unexpected ways. In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Tanya Crossman, a leading expert on third culture kids (TCKs), who shares her own transformative experiences and groundbreaking research. From her insightful books "Thongs or Flip-Flops" and "Misunderstood" to her pivotal role at TCK Training, Tanya brings a wealth of knowledge and personal stories that will resonate deeply with anyone interested in the complexities of growing up across cultures.

Our conversation uncovers the long-term psychological impacts of being a TCK, spotlighting how parental mental health and resource limitations can strain the parent-child bond. We delve into the prolonged identity issues many TCKs face, often recognizing emotional gaps only in their 30s and 40s.

Amidst these challenges, there is hope and resilience. Explore the intricate dynamics of TCKs' emotional worlds, from early feelings of uncertainty to the unique ways they navigate friendships in constantly changing environments. We emphasize the critical importance of positive childhood experiences and community support, drawing from our own parenting insights to offer practical tools for fostering emotional and physical safety. This episode is a treasure trove of valuable advice for TCK families, underscoring the importance of resilience and integration to help children thrive despite the obstacles they face.

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]]> Discover the hidden challenges and strengths of Third Culture Kids (TCKs), who grow up outside of their passport country, and how their unique experiences shapes their lives in unexpected ways. In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Tanya Crossman, a leading expert on third culture kids (TCKs), who shares her own transformative experiences and groundbreaking research. From her insightful books "Thongs or Flip-Flops" and "Misunderstood" to her pivotal role at TCK Training, Tanya brings a wealth of knowledge and personal stories that will resonate deeply with anyone interested in the complexities of growing up across cultures.

Our conversation uncovers the long-term psychological impacts of being a TCK, spotlighting how parental mental health and resource limitations can strain the parent-child bond. We delve into the prolonged identity issues many TCKs face, often recognizing emotional gaps only in their 30s and 40s.

Amidst these challenges, there is hope and resilience. Explore the intricate dynamics of TCKs' emotional worlds, from early feelings of uncertainty to the unique ways they navigate friendships in constantly changing environments. We emphasize the critical importance of positive childhood experiences and community support, drawing from our own parenting insights to offer practical tools for fostering emotional and physical safety. This episode is a treasure trove of valuable advice for TCK families, underscoring the importance of resilience and integration to help children thrive despite the obstacles they face.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15785847 Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:00:00 +1000 2023 2 3 full false Episode 2: What Stood Out to the Psychologists Behind the Ministry Kids' Survey Episode 2: What Stood Out to the Psychologists Behind the Ministry Kids' Survey In this episode, we sit down with the psychologists who designed and analyzed the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to uncover the key insights and findings that stood out to them. From surprising trends to eye-opening revelations, they share what the kids themselves told us, and what we discovered about the unique challenges and experiences faced by ministry kids. Whether you're a parent, part of a faith community who wants to support ministry kids, or simply curious about the well-being of children growing up in ministry families, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the data, along with practical takeaways to support these kids in thriving under the public gaze.

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]]> In this episode, we sit down with the psychologists who designed and analyzed the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to uncover the key insights and findings that stood out to them. From surprising trends to eye-opening revelations, they share what the kids themselves told us, and what we discovered about the unique challenges and experiences faced by ministry kids. Whether you're a parent, part of a faith community who wants to support ministry kids, or simply curious about the well-being of children growing up in ministry families, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the data, along with practical takeaways to support these kids in thriving under the public gaze.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15766353 Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:00:00 +1000 2068 2 2 full false Episode 1: Ministry Kids' Wellbeing Survey 2024 Results Episode 1: Ministry Kids' Wellbeing Survey 2024 Results In this kick-off episode, we dive into the heart of the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to explore the main findings and what they reveal about the lives of children in ministry families. We unpack key themes that emerged from the survey, shedding light on the unique experiences and challenges ministry children face. 

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]]> In this kick-off episode, we dive into the heart of the Ministry Kids Wellbeing Survey to explore the main findings and what they reveal about the lives of children in ministry families. We unpack key themes that emerged from the survey, shedding light on the unique experiences and challenges ministry children face. 

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-15772861 Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:00:00 +1000 736 2 1 full false A Conversation with Christopher Ash Author Zeal Without Burnout A Conversation with Christopher Ash Author Zeal Without Burnout What a joy and privilege to finish our very first season of the podcast with  Christopher Ash -  author of Zeal Without Burnout and The Book Your Pastor Wishes You Would Read But Is Too Embarrassed To Ask. Christopher shares his own journey through burnout and what led to his publications in this area.

Christopher shares his personal pearls of wisdom for pastors: the importance of grounding motivation in the promises of the Lord rather than worldly metrics of success, combatting loneliness with long-term friendships, and cultivating a nourishing relationship with God. So join us, and gain a deeper understanding of the highs and lows of pastoral life and the resilience, faith, and grace required to navigate them.

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]]> What a joy and privilege to finish our very first season of the podcast with  Christopher Ash -  author of Zeal Without Burnout and The Book Your Pastor Wishes You Would Read But Is Too Embarrassed To Ask. Christopher shares his own journey through burnout and what led to his publications in this area.

Christopher shares his personal pearls of wisdom for pastors: the importance of grounding motivation in the promises of the Lord rather than worldly metrics of success, combatting loneliness with long-term friendships, and cultivating a nourishing relationship with God. So join us, and gain a deeper understanding of the highs and lows of pastoral life and the resilience, faith, and grace required to navigate them.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13763622 Wed, 06 Dec 2023 05:00:00 +1100 2871 1 18 full false Leadership through the Lens of Indigenous Values with Jay Matenga Leadership through the Lens of Indigenous Values with Jay Matenga As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Jay Matenga, is Director of the Global Witness Dept. and the Mission Commission for the World Evangelical Alliance and Executive Officer for Missions Interlink NZ.

Jay Matenga, was raised with indigenous values in a predominantly Eurocentric society. Our conversation will explore Jay’s leadership  journey in the missions space, particularly Jay's approach as a narrative leader who underscores the importance of storytelling in spiritual connection and guidance. We look at the aspects of collective leadership, the importance of mentorship, and the adaptability ingrained in indigenous leadership styles.

Leaders today grapple with managing expectations and avoiding burnout, a challenge amplified in Christian leadership where echo chambers can be pervasive. We underscore the necessity of resilience, self-awareness, and the ability to identify when to step back. Jay offers insights into leadership accountability and the shift from performance metrics to a focus on values and overall well-being.

Join us to gain a deeper understanding of leadership, the role of missions, and the journey of self-authenticity amid diverse cultural landscapes.


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]]> As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Jay Matenga, is Director of the Global Witness Dept. and the Mission Commission for the World Evangelical Alliance and Executive Officer for Missions Interlink NZ.

Jay Matenga, was raised with indigenous values in a predominantly Eurocentric society. Our conversation will explore Jay’s leadership  journey in the missions space, particularly Jay's approach as a narrative leader who underscores the importance of storytelling in spiritual connection and guidance. We look at the aspects of collective leadership, the importance of mentorship, and the adaptability ingrained in indigenous leadership styles.

Leaders today grapple with managing expectations and avoiding burnout, a challenge amplified in Christian leadership where echo chambers can be pervasive. We underscore the necessity of resilience, self-awareness, and the ability to identify when to step back. Jay offers insights into leadership accountability and the shift from performance metrics to a focus on values and overall well-being.

Join us to gain a deeper understanding of leadership, the role of missions, and the journey of self-authenticity amid diverse cultural landscapes.


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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13625264 Thu, 30 Nov 2023 02:00:00 +1100 3697 1 17 full false Families On Mission: A Conversation with Author and Global Mission Consultant Marion Knell Families On Mission: A Conversation with Author and Global Mission Consultant Marion Knell As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Marion Knell is a seasoned cross-cultural consultant and trainer with an extensive history spanning nearly three decades. Her expertise stretches across a multitude of sectors, but at its core, Marion's passion lies in fostering resilience and longevity in the lives of cross-cultural workers and their families.

Having worked extensively with families overseas,  Marion has garnered a wealth of experience and understanding in preparing adults and children for international assignments. This preparation is not just about the outward journey but also assisting them in their return, ensuring a smooth transition and debriefing experience.

Currently, Marion's work involves delivering  training to refugee workers in areas of trauma response, the cultural nuances of dislocation, and overall staff care.

Marion is also the author of Burn Up Splash Down and Families On The Move.  She has also been instrumental in establishing the MA in Member Care with Redcliffe College.

In this episode, Marion discusses the complex role of church leadership, burnout and the impact on pastors' children.

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]]> As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Marion Knell is a seasoned cross-cultural consultant and trainer with an extensive history spanning nearly three decades. Her expertise stretches across a multitude of sectors, but at its core, Marion's passion lies in fostering resilience and longevity in the lives of cross-cultural workers and their families.

Having worked extensively with families overseas,  Marion has garnered a wealth of experience and understanding in preparing adults and children for international assignments. This preparation is not just about the outward journey but also assisting them in their return, ensuring a smooth transition and debriefing experience.

Currently, Marion's work involves delivering  training to refugee workers in areas of trauma response, the cultural nuances of dislocation, and overall staff care.

Marion is also the author of Burn Up Splash Down and Families On The Move.  She has also been instrumental in establishing the MA in Member Care with Redcliffe College.

In this episode, Marion discusses the complex role of church leadership, burnout and the impact on pastors' children.

If you are a pastor and want to reach our for professional supervision, or counselling for yourself and/or your family, send me an email: valerie@effectiveserving.com.au

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13625246 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:00:00 +1100 3272 1 16 full false Leadership in Mission with Harry Hoffmann - Global Member Care Network Leadership in Mission with Harry Hoffmann - Global Member Care Network As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. 

Dive into the complexities of cross-cultural ministry with our guest, Harry Hoffman, a prominent figure in the Missions Member Care Network. With over two decades of experience in cross-cultural ministry and navigating the profound emotional impact of arrests, interrogation, and personal loss, Harry provides a unique insight into stress management, vulnerability, and resilience in ministry and mission.

Harry elucidates these nuances and underscores the pivotal role of self-awareness, introspection, and the place of scripture and personal beliefs on individual growth. We delve deep into the intricate relationship between emotions and decision-making, addressing the multifaceted leadership approaches essential for guiding cross-cultural teams and understanding diverse spiritual perspectives.

Our exploration further encompasses effective strategies to avert burnout in cross-cultural settings, touching on the significance of peer responsibility. The dialogue transitions to understanding the various dimensions of conflict and the therapeutic value of sharing one's struggles. Join us for a comprehensive episode that seeks to inform, inspire, and navigate the intricate facets of clergy well-being, cross-cultural ministry, international gospel work leadership dynamics, and more.

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]]> As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work. 

Dive into the complexities of cross-cultural ministry with our guest, Harry Hoffman, a prominent figure in the Missions Member Care Network. With over two decades of experience in cross-cultural ministry and navigating the profound emotional impact of arrests, interrogation, and personal loss, Harry provides a unique insight into stress management, vulnerability, and resilience in ministry and mission.

Harry elucidates these nuances and underscores the pivotal role of self-awareness, introspection, and the place of scripture and personal beliefs on individual growth. We delve deep into the intricate relationship between emotions and decision-making, addressing the multifaceted leadership approaches essential for guiding cross-cultural teams and understanding diverse spiritual perspectives.

Our exploration further encompasses effective strategies to avert burnout in cross-cultural settings, touching on the significance of peer responsibility. The dialogue transitions to understanding the various dimensions of conflict and the therapeutic value of sharing one's struggles. Join us for a comprehensive episode that seeks to inform, inspire, and navigate the intricate facets of clergy well-being, cross-cultural ministry, international gospel work leadership dynamics, and more.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13625126 Thu, 16 Nov 2023 02:00:00 +1100 3268 1 15 full false Health and Well-being of Pastors: Research Findings of Timothy Captain from Flourish San Diego Health and Well-being of Pastors: Research Findings of Timothy Captain from Flourish San Diego As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Our guest, Timothy Captain from Flourish San Diego, brings his unique insight derived from his PhD thesis, the Holistic Pastoral Well-being Assessment. Timothy provides a comprehensive understanding of pastoral well-being, examining it from spiritual, psychological, physical, social, and economic perspectives.

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]]> As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

Our guest, Timothy Captain from Flourish San Diego, brings his unique insight derived from his PhD thesis, the Holistic Pastoral Well-being Assessment. Timothy provides a comprehensive understanding of pastoral well-being, examining it from spiritual, psychological, physical, social, and economic perspectives.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13762503 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 02:00:00 +1100 2679 1 14 full false "Healthy Churches Aren't a Pipe Dream" with A.J. Mathieu from The Malphurs Group "Healthy Churches Aren't a Pipe Dream" with A.J. Mathieu from The Malphurs Group As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

In this episode we are joined by A.J. Mathieu president of The Malphurs Group.
A.J. Mathieu has over 25 years of experience as a business owner, 5 years as an elected official serving local and regional constituencies in north Texas,  and joined The Malphurs Group in 2014.  He co-hosts the Church Revitalization Podcast with Vice-President Scott Ball.   A.J. leads the Strategic Envisioning process in the United States with a limited number of churches each year but spends most of his time on TMG’s international efforts to strengthen churches and build leaders worldwide. He is an international conference speaker and has worked with church leaders in Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia.

In this episode, A.J. reflects on my findings, and what he sees in the international church leadership scene.

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]]> As our season draws to a close, I began to contemplate leadership in a wider context, beyond just Australia and parish settings, I was drawn to explore international issues of leadership in gospel work.

In this episode we are joined by A.J. Mathieu president of The Malphurs Group.
A.J. Mathieu has over 25 years of experience as a business owner, 5 years as an elected official serving local and regional constituencies in north Texas,  and joined The Malphurs Group in 2014.  He co-hosts the Church Revitalization Podcast with Vice-President Scott Ball.   A.J. leads the Strategic Envisioning process in the United States with a limited number of churches each year but spends most of his time on TMG’s international efforts to strengthen churches and build leaders worldwide. He is an international conference speaker and has worked with church leaders in Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia.

In this episode, A.J. reflects on my findings, and what he sees in the international church leadership scene.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13763529 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 02:00:00 +1100 3038 1 13 full false Chapter turner: International perspectives to finish the season Chapter turner: International perspectives to finish the season Heads up! We are almost at the end of our season! Having dived in with guests from Australia, I started to think about what the missions and international scene would be able to say to us.  So you will find the next episodes, until we finish, pushes out the perspective and conversation to an international space.

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]]> Heads up! We are almost at the end of our season! Having dived in with guests from Australia, I started to think about what the missions and international scene would be able to say to us.  So you will find the next episodes, until we finish, pushes out the perspective and conversation to an international space.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13877297 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 01:00:00 +1100 77 full false Advance not Retreat with Dr Chelsea Gill Advance not Retreat with Dr Chelsea Gill Join Dr. Chelsea Gill from Bond Business School as we explore the topic of reflective retreats. Chelsea, with her deep insights into clergy retreats, examines the role of attention restoration theory in counteracting mental and emotional exhaustion.

We discuss two core types of clergy retreats, educational and reflective, and their structures. Chelsea explains attentional fatigue common among clergy and offers solutions to restore mental energy. Our conversation dives into the elements making reflective retreats impactful, spotlighting social activities and professional development as essential for clergy wellbeing.

We also discuss crafting retreats for optimal rejuvenation and share practical tips for activities and taking breaks from technology and work. The emotional benefits of retreats are pivotal for clergy to effectively serve their communities. We conclude by addressing the rhythm and emotional aspects of retreats, emphasizing the need for support in processing emotions. Tune into this episode for valuable insights on enhancing clergy wellbeing through retreats so much so you will want to Advance and not Retreat.  To contact Chelsea: chgill@bond.edu.au

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]]> Join Dr. Chelsea Gill from Bond Business School as we explore the topic of reflective retreats. Chelsea, with her deep insights into clergy retreats, examines the role of attention restoration theory in counteracting mental and emotional exhaustion.

We discuss two core types of clergy retreats, educational and reflective, and their structures. Chelsea explains attentional fatigue common among clergy and offers solutions to restore mental energy. Our conversation dives into the elements making reflective retreats impactful, spotlighting social activities and professional development as essential for clergy wellbeing.

We also discuss crafting retreats for optimal rejuvenation and share practical tips for activities and taking breaks from technology and work. The emotional benefits of retreats are pivotal for clergy to effectively serve their communities. We conclude by addressing the rhythm and emotional aspects of retreats, emphasizing the need for support in processing emotions. Tune into this episode for valuable insights on enhancing clergy wellbeing through retreats so much so you will want to Advance and not Retreat.  To contact Chelsea: chgill@bond.edu.au

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13755169 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:00:00 +1100 2521 1 12 full false A Tale of 2 Surveys with Sam Sterland - NCLS Senior Researcher A Tale of 2 Surveys with Sam Sterland - NCLS Senior Researcher We are joined by Sam Sterland, Senior Researcher with the National Church Life Survey and we look at the latest findings from the NCLS and how it matches/sheds light on what our (much smaller!) survey found in the clergy wellbeing space.  What does church health have to do with clergy wellbeing? Have we made any progress in leadership sustainability, and what are the key insights we glean from both our findings.

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]]> We are joined by Sam Sterland, Senior Researcher with the National Church Life Survey and we look at the latest findings from the NCLS and how it matches/sheds light on what our (much smaller!) survey found in the clergy wellbeing space.  What does church health have to do with clergy wellbeing? Have we made any progress in leadership sustainability, and what are the key insights we glean from both our findings.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13631504 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 02:00:00 +1100 3692 1 11 full false Behind the Pulpit: An Insight into Pastoral Stress and Burnout with Keith and Sarah Condie Behind the Pulpit: An Insight into Pastoral Stress and Burnout with Keith and Sarah Condie Keith and Sarah Condie of the Mental Health and Pastoral Care Institute join us to unpack the numbers from Valerie Ling's survey on rates of burnout and resignation thinking among our clergy.   

We talk about the often-hidden struggles of church leaders, the pressures they face and the need to have an unwavering façade. The conversation throws a spotlight on the how a lack of encouragement and care can have on ministers, fostering self-doubt and a sense of isolation.

We further look at the meaning of "reputation" in church leadership, characteristics of a compassionate church, and accommodating the unexpected.

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]]> Keith and Sarah Condie of the Mental Health and Pastoral Care Institute join us to unpack the numbers from Valerie Ling's survey on rates of burnout and resignation thinking among our clergy.   

We talk about the often-hidden struggles of church leaders, the pressures they face and the need to have an unwavering façade. The conversation throws a spotlight on the how a lack of encouragement and care can have on ministers, fostering self-doubt and a sense of isolation.

We further look at the meaning of "reputation" in church leadership, characteristics of a compassionate church, and accommodating the unexpected.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13631410 Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:00:00 +1100 2911 1 10 full false From Corporate to Parish HR - "I Thought It Would Be Different": A Discussion with Vikki Napier From Corporate to Parish HR - "I Thought It Would Be Different": A Discussion with Vikki Napier In this episode,  Vikki Napier, Head of Human Resources at the Anglican Church Diocese Of Sydney, reflects on her corporate HR experience and the church context.  What surprises her, what she thinks we are doing well, where we have a way to go, and where we can add value to our churches from a human and humane resourcing perspective.

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]]> In this episode,  Vikki Napier, Head of Human Resources at the Anglican Church Diocese Of Sydney, reflects on her corporate HR experience and the church context.  What surprises her, what she thinks we are doing well, where we have a way to go, and where we can add value to our churches from a human and humane resourcing perspective.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13600594 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 02:00:00 +1100 2907 1 9 full false "Don't Take Us Out of The Truck!" With Jo Muirhead "Don't Take Us Out of The Truck!" With Jo Muirhead **EPISODE TRIGGER WARNING**
This episode contains some discussion about suicide, violence, and other potentially traumatic material. Listener discretion is strongly advised. If you or someone you know is struggling, please seek professional help or, in Australia contact Lifeline 13 11 14.

Jo Muirhead is a Rehabilitation Counsellor and is the founder of Purple Co.   Purple Co facilitates workplace recovery by emphasizing the holistic integration of health, recovery, purpose and choice.

In this episode, Jo relates how there are vocational hazards in the helping and serving professions that are not always evident. She relays her experience in assessing and re-designing work roles in high stress, high pressure roles, to manage burnout and psychosocial risk.  Jo shares her work riding in ambulances observing and detailing what pressures are unseen, and how revealing one statement by an ambo "Don't take us out of the truck!" relates to wellbeing in ministry.

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]]> **EPISODE TRIGGER WARNING**
This episode contains some discussion about suicide, violence, and other potentially traumatic material. Listener discretion is strongly advised. If you or someone you know is struggling, please seek professional help or, in Australia contact Lifeline 13 11 14.

Jo Muirhead is a Rehabilitation Counsellor and is the founder of Purple Co.   Purple Co facilitates workplace recovery by emphasizing the holistic integration of health, recovery, purpose and choice.

In this episode, Jo relates how there are vocational hazards in the helping and serving professions that are not always evident. She relays her experience in assessing and re-designing work roles in high stress, high pressure roles, to manage burnout and psychosocial risk.  Jo shares her work riding in ambulances observing and detailing what pressures are unseen, and how revealing one statement by an ambo "Don't take us out of the truck!" relates to wellbeing in ministry.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13553101 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 02:00:00 +1000 3523 1 8 full false Death by a Thousand Paper Cuts - Psychosocial Risks in Church Leadership with Katharine Moore Death by a Thousand Paper Cuts - Psychosocial Risks in Church Leadership with Katharine Moore  Imagine an environment where safety and well-being are prioritized, where trust and transparency are key, and conflicts are handled in a constructive manner. These are the ingredients of psychological safety. Psychological safety refers to a work environment where individuals feel comfortable taking risks, expressing their thoughts, and making mistakes without fear of punishment or humiliation.  Psychosocial hazards are broader and pertain to all aspects of work design, organisational structures, and social dynamics that can lead to psychological or physical harm. This could include things like excessive workload, lack of role clarity, workplace bullying, and poor organisational culture. 

They are separate and intertwined.   Katharine Moore, an expert in workplace safety and health, joins me on the podcast to unwrap this very topic, based on findings from my clergy well-being and leadership survey.

From my survey, the following experiences of offensive behaviour experienced by clergy over the past 12 months were reported:

·      Sexual harassment: 6%

·      Threats of and actual violence: 8%

·      Bullying: 31%

·      Unpleasant teasing: 27%

·      Conflicts and quarrels: 78%

·      Gossip and slander: 53%

 

Clergy burnout was found to be related to the level of offensive behaviours experienced by clergy. 

 
Through our discussion, we tackle the physical and psychological burdens of various job roles, the crucial role of job design and task rotation, and the complexities of budgets, governance, and compliance.


Katharine has built a strong reputation for her excellence in Safety and Injury Management.  She believes in engaging & empowering workers to build a proactive safety culture in the workplace which will lead to greater levels of overall compliance.

She works at a Senior Leadership level in a multi-national corporate where she influences business decisions  to create a workplace that is:

• Safe from physical and psychological harm
• Promotes whole-person wellbeing
• Fully accessible & inclusive
• Empowers team to meet their full potential

Our conversation delves  into the heart of church conflict and consider how a lack of transparency may foster an environment ripe for bullying. By exploring the difference between psychosocial and psychological safety, we illuminate how churches can work alongside partner practices to foster a secure environment where team members feel safe providing feedback.



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]]>  Imagine an environment where safety and well-being are prioritized, where trust and transparency are key, and conflicts are handled in a constructive manner. These are the ingredients of psychological safety. Psychological safety refers to a work environment where individuals feel comfortable taking risks, expressing their thoughts, and making mistakes without fear of punishment or humiliation.  Psychosocial hazards are broader and pertain to all aspects of work design, organisational structures, and social dynamics that can lead to psychological or physical harm. This could include things like excessive workload, lack of role clarity, workplace bullying, and poor organisational culture. 

They are separate and intertwined.   Katharine Moore, an expert in workplace safety and health, joins me on the podcast to unwrap this very topic, based on findings from my clergy well-being and leadership survey.

From my survey, the following experiences of offensive behaviour experienced by clergy over the past 12 months were reported:

·      Sexual harassment: 6%

·      Threats of and actual violence: 8%

·      Bullying: 31%

·      Unpleasant teasing: 27%

·      Conflicts and quarrels: 78%

·      Gossip and slander: 53%

 

Clergy burnout was found to be related to the level of offensive behaviours experienced by clergy. 

 
Through our discussion, we tackle the physical and psychological burdens of various job roles, the crucial role of job design and task rotation, and the complexities of budgets, governance, and compliance.


Katharine has built a strong reputation for her excellence in Safety and Injury Management.  She believes in engaging & empowering workers to build a proactive safety culture in the workplace which will lead to greater levels of overall compliance.

She works at a Senior Leadership level in a multi-national corporate where she influences business decisions  to create a workplace that is:

• Safe from physical and psychological harm
• Promotes whole-person wellbeing
• Fully accessible & inclusive
• Empowers team to meet their full potential

Our conversation delves  into the heart of church conflict and consider how a lack of transparency may foster an environment ripe for bullying. By exploring the difference between psychosocial and psychological safety, we illuminate how churches can work alongside partner practices to foster a secure environment where team members feel safe providing feedback.



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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13468230 Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:00:00 +1000 2948 1 7 full false Speaking the Unspoken Experiences of Women in Ministry with Rev Dr Megan Powell du Toit Speaking the Unspoken Experiences of Women in Ministry with Rev Dr Megan Powell du Toit TRIGGER WARNING: Please note that this episode discusses trauma and sexual violence which some listeners may find distressing or emotionally challenging.  In Australia, If you require support, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 and/or 1800RESPECT.

One of the key findings in Valerie’s research was the levels of burnout and the personal violence experienced by women in ministry.  Her guest in today’s episode is Rev Dr Megan Powell du Toit – ordained Baptist minister, Publishing Manager at the Australian College of Theology and co-host of the With All Due Respect podcast.  In this candid episode,  Megan offers an intimate perspective on the myriad of challenges and biases faced by women in the ministry.  Our conversation explores the systemic issues prevalent in the religious arena, with a critical focus on the alarming underbelly of sexual assault and gender violence therein.  We explore the impact of a woman's formative history in shaping her pastoral journey. As we wrap up, we delve into the ways we can support, amplify, and uplift the voices of women in ministry. 

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]]> TRIGGER WARNING: Please note that this episode discusses trauma and sexual violence which some listeners may find distressing or emotionally challenging.  In Australia, If you require support, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 and/or 1800RESPECT.

One of the key findings in Valerie’s research was the levels of burnout and the personal violence experienced by women in ministry.  Her guest in today’s episode is Rev Dr Megan Powell du Toit – ordained Baptist minister, Publishing Manager at the Australian College of Theology and co-host of the With All Due Respect podcast.  In this candid episode,  Megan offers an intimate perspective on the myriad of challenges and biases faced by women in the ministry.  Our conversation explores the systemic issues prevalent in the religious arena, with a critical focus on the alarming underbelly of sexual assault and gender violence therein.  We explore the impact of a woman's formative history in shaping her pastoral journey. As we wrap up, we delve into the ways we can support, amplify, and uplift the voices of women in ministry. 

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13509362 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 02:00:00 +1000 2479 1 6 full false Emotional Awareness and the Place for Silence with Dave and Kathy Thurston Emotional Awareness and the Place for Silence with Dave and Kathy Thurston Dave & Kathy Thurston have been married for over 40 years and have three grown up children. They have been in ministry in one form or another for nearly forty years. Five and a half years ago Dave and Kathy Thurston left Sydney and parish ministry to work in the Presbyterian Church of Queensland. Their brief was mentoring pastors and their wives, training other to be mentors, develop a post college training program as well as various other ventures. Six months ago, they returned to their three adult children and wider family but not to the inner west. They now live in Blackheath on two acres where God willing they will build a Christian Retreat centre. 

They love working with their brothers and sisters in Christian ministry to be healthy and fruitful followers of Jesus. 

They continue to train people to be mentors through Mentor Equipping Queensland

 In this episode they share their story, their journey and they deepest longings for ministry to be joyful and sustainable. They share their wisdom on how mentoring, combined with spiritual development and health, plays a critical role in ministry. The episode takes a deep look into the importance of emotional awareness, spiritual maturity, and understanding our emotions under the guidance of Jesus for effective leadership.

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]]> Dave & Kathy Thurston have been married for over 40 years and have three grown up children. They have been in ministry in one form or another for nearly forty years. Five and a half years ago Dave and Kathy Thurston left Sydney and parish ministry to work in the Presbyterian Church of Queensland. Their brief was mentoring pastors and their wives, training other to be mentors, develop a post college training program as well as various other ventures. Six months ago, they returned to their three adult children and wider family but not to the inner west. They now live in Blackheath on two acres where God willing they will build a Christian Retreat centre. 

They love working with their brothers and sisters in Christian ministry to be healthy and fruitful followers of Jesus. 

They continue to train people to be mentors through Mentor Equipping Queensland

 In this episode they share their story, their journey and they deepest longings for ministry to be joyful and sustainable. They share their wisdom on how mentoring, combined with spiritual development and health, plays a critical role in ministry. The episode takes a deep look into the importance of emotional awareness, spiritual maturity, and understanding our emotions under the guidance of Jesus for effective leadership.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13455406 Thu, 07 Sep 2023 06:00:00 +1000 2878 1 5 full false The Trinity Network Story: Cultivating Connected Churches Paul and Sue Harrington The Trinity Network Story: Cultivating Connected Churches Paul and Sue Harrington The Trinity Network has its origin at Trinity Church Adelaide, which was established in 1836 .  Paul and Sue Harrington share their story of 35 years in ministry with the network, which now consists of 14 churches across Adelaide and South Australia.

Dive into the Harringtons' candid thoughts about juggling ministry life and family, the connection that spouses need, and their reflections on the structures that help and hinder our churches, their leaders and their families from doing life and faith together.

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]]> The Trinity Network has its origin at Trinity Church Adelaide, which was established in 1836 .  Paul and Sue Harrington share their story of 35 years in ministry with the network, which now consists of 14 churches across Adelaide and South Australia.

Dive into the Harringtons' candid thoughts about juggling ministry life and family, the connection that spouses need, and their reflections on the structures that help and hinder our churches, their leaders and their families from doing life and faith together.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13460573 Fri, 01 Sep 2023 09:00:00 +1000 3812 1 4 full false A chapter turner with Valerie Ling A chapter turner with Valerie Ling A message from Valerie as the next episodes get published.

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]]> A message from Valerie as the next episodes get published.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13502232 Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:00:00 +1000 181 1 full false Transforming the Narrative on Ministry Formation with Professor Donald Guthrie Transforming the Narrative on Ministry Formation with Professor Donald Guthrie Today, we're joined by Professor Donald Guthrie.  Professor Donald Guthrie teaches at Trinity International University, and is the co-author of Resilient Ministry: What Pastors Told us about Surviving and Thriving, a book based on a five-year intensive research project on the frontlines of pastoral ministry.  In this episode, he shares with Valerie his insights on social media conflict, the dangers of isolation, what helps clergy spouses flourish, the need for spiritual and emotional formation, and the value of professional and peer support.


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Reflection Questions:

  • Reflect on your current levels of physical, emotional, spiritual and mental health.  Which areas are most in need of restoration?
  • Consider your attitude towards, and involvement with, social media.  Are you demonstrating a ‘winsome witness’ and ‘gospel savvy’?
  • Who would you consider to be your closest friends?  What’s your level of connection with them?
  • If you’re married, how would you respond to the statements: ‘I have friends’, ‘My spouse has friends’, ‘We have friends?’
  • If you’re married, what is your spouse’s involvement with church?  How do they feel about it?
  • What professional supports, if any, do you have in place? Are there any additional ones you’d like to arrange?  What is your response to the idea of professional counselling as a preventative measure?
  • Do you have any ‘similar others’ in your life?  Is there anyone who could fit that role for you, and vice versa?
  • Have you fallen into the trap of confusing your identity with your role?  How does that reveal itself?  What gospel truths might you need to preach to yourself?



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]]> Today, we're joined by Professor Donald Guthrie.  Professor Donald Guthrie teaches at Trinity International University, and is the co-author of Resilient Ministry: What Pastors Told us about Surviving and Thriving, a book based on a five-year intensive research project on the frontlines of pastoral ministry.  In this episode, he shares with Valerie his insights on social media conflict, the dangers of isolation, what helps clergy spouses flourish, the need for spiritual and emotional formation, and the value of professional and peer support.


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Reflection Questions:

  • Reflect on your current levels of physical, emotional, spiritual and mental health.  Which areas are most in need of restoration?
  • Consider your attitude towards, and involvement with, social media.  Are you demonstrating a ‘winsome witness’ and ‘gospel savvy’?
  • Who would you consider to be your closest friends?  What’s your level of connection with them?
  • If you’re married, how would you respond to the statements: ‘I have friends’, ‘My spouse has friends’, ‘We have friends?’
  • If you’re married, what is your spouse’s involvement with church?  How do they feel about it?
  • What professional supports, if any, do you have in place? Are there any additional ones you’d like to arrange?  What is your response to the idea of professional counselling as a preventative measure?
  • Do you have any ‘similar others’ in your life?  Is there anyone who could fit that role for you, and vice versa?
  • Have you fallen into the trap of confusing your identity with your role?  How does that reveal itself?  What gospel truths might you need to preach to yourself?



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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13428174 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 09:00:00 +1000 3081 1 3 full false Leading Through Tough Times in Ministry with Dr Grant Bickerton Leading Through Tough Times in Ministry with Dr Grant Bickerton Ever feel like you're on the brink of burnout, especially in these pandemic-ridden times? You're not alone. On today's episode, we've got the honour of hosting Dr. Grant Bickerton, who takes a deep dive into the changing landscape of Christian ministry and how it's impacting those on the front lines. We begin by exploring the unique challenges and psychological toll the pandemic has had on Christian workers, resulting in significant loss and grief that can eventually lead to burnout.

We also dive into the murky waters of job satisfaction and wellbeing in ministry. Grant shares his views on isolation and loneliness among Christian workers and provides insights on why many are reluctant to admit they're considering leaving ministry. We also talk candidly about the complexities of family suffering as a driver for self-sacrificial roles in ministry and the critical need for measuring and addressing the causes of burnout.

Further into the episode, we confront some tough issues such as conflict, bullying, and leadership dynamics within ministry. We examine the damaging implications of workplace conflicts and potential bullying, and delve into the importance of accepting leadership and understanding the role of personal development and self-care plans.

Finally, we discuss how to best nurture and empower team members, stressing the importance of providing room for growth and risk-taking. Join us for this gripping conversation with Dr. Bickerton and learn how we can navigate through these challenging times in ministry together.

Are you a ministry leader looking for a pastoral/professional supervisor?  Perhaps you are needing some counselling support? Send me an email: valerie@effectiveserving.com.au

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]]> Ever feel like you're on the brink of burnout, especially in these pandemic-ridden times? You're not alone. On today's episode, we've got the honour of hosting Dr. Grant Bickerton, who takes a deep dive into the changing landscape of Christian ministry and how it's impacting those on the front lines. We begin by exploring the unique challenges and psychological toll the pandemic has had on Christian workers, resulting in significant loss and grief that can eventually lead to burnout.

We also dive into the murky waters of job satisfaction and wellbeing in ministry. Grant shares his views on isolation and loneliness among Christian workers and provides insights on why many are reluctant to admit they're considering leaving ministry. We also talk candidly about the complexities of family suffering as a driver for self-sacrificial roles in ministry and the critical need for measuring and addressing the causes of burnout.

Further into the episode, we confront some tough issues such as conflict, bullying, and leadership dynamics within ministry. We examine the damaging implications of workplace conflicts and potential bullying, and delve into the importance of accepting leadership and understanding the role of personal development and self-care plans.

Finally, we discuss how to best nurture and empower team members, stressing the importance of providing room for growth and risk-taking. Join us for this gripping conversation with Dr. Bickerton and learn how we can navigate through these challenging times in ministry together.

Are you a ministry leader looking for a pastoral/professional supervisor?  Perhaps you are needing some counselling support? Send me an email: valerie@effectiveserving.com.au

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13386641 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:00:00 +1000 3699 1 2 full false In the Trenches: Understanding the Modern Pastoral Experience with Rev Archie Poulos In the Trenches: Understanding the Modern Pastoral Experience with Rev Archie Poulos Join Rev Archie Poulos and myself as we explore this episode -  'In the Trenches: Understanding the Modern Pastoral Experience,' as we look at the complex world of church leadership. Archie is Head of Ministry (Moore Theological College) and Ministry
Director, (Centre for Ministry Development).

Based on Archie's PhD research, and mine, we explore the evolving nature of ministry, the hidden pressures facing clergy, and their impacts on families and personal life. We discuss crucial topics like leadership theories, burnout, and the paradox between convictions and behaviors. This episode also offers important advice for pastors, congregations, and denominational leaders. Dive in as we navigate the challenging yet rewarding landscape of pastoral ministry.

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]]> Join Rev Archie Poulos and myself as we explore this episode -  'In the Trenches: Understanding the Modern Pastoral Experience,' as we look at the complex world of church leadership. Archie is Head of Ministry (Moore Theological College) and Ministry
Director, (Centre for Ministry Development).

Based on Archie's PhD research, and mine, we explore the evolving nature of ministry, the hidden pressures facing clergy, and their impacts on families and personal life. We discuss crucial topics like leadership theories, burnout, and the paradox between convictions and behaviors. This episode also offers important advice for pastors, congregations, and denominational leaders. Dive in as we navigate the challenging yet rewarding landscape of pastoral ministry.

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]]> Valerie Ling Buzzsprout-13291276 Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:00:00 +1000 2783 1 1 full false