In this episode of Hears How, Zac shares how simple acts of kindness performed with the intention of connecting can transform schools, families, workplaces, and communities. He also opens up about his own journey, from battling “crippling” anxiety and depression, to finding strength in vulnerability, faith, and purpose.

Host Erin Jensen sits down with Zac to explore:

• How a few seconds of presence can change a child’s entire day
• What Zac’s mental health journey taught him about slowing down and asking for help
• The small ways we can show up more fully for others
• Why creating environments of encouragement matters more than we realize
• What his viral moments reveal about our universal longing to be seen

This heartfelt conversation is for anyone feeling burnt out, disconnected, or unsure of how to make a difference. You’ll walk away reminded that slowing down to truly see people might be the most powerful thing we can do.

Stream now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube.

Remember that help is available, you are not alone, and your life matters.

• For the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, call or text 988
• To reach the Crisis Text Line, text HOME to 741741
• Visit the International Association for Suicide Prevention for additional resources 

Journalist and author Rachel Zimmerman met Seth Teller in her mid-30s. 

“He was a devoted father to our 8 and 11 year old daughters,” she shares. “He was a tenured professor of robotics at MIT. He was very close with his family.” 

Rachel and Seth were together for 15 years, married for 12.

“That’s partially why it felt so out of the blue,” Rachel says. “From the outside, it looked like he had a charmed life.”

In this profoundly moving episode, Rachel opens up about her search for answers, drawing from her book "Us, After: A Memoir of Love and Suicide." She shares the grief, guilt, confusion, and ultimately, the resilience that followed her loss.

“The questions were, ‘Why did he do this?’” she says. “'What was going on in his brain?’ And also, of course, the flip side of that, which is, ‘Could I have stopped it?’ And, ‘Did I miss the signs?’”

This conversation is about the messiness of grief, the stigma that surrounds suicide, and the slow, sacred return of joy. It’s about a mother rebuilding a life for her daughters, and it’s a reminder that we can survive the unimaginable.

“Grief does not unfold in tidy stages; it lurches,” Rachel says. “It isn’t, ‘At first you’ll feel this, then it’ll move to this and then it’ll be this and you’ll never feel that first thing again.’ It’s messy and ugly and not fair. And you feel all of these things, and it’s okay. And it does get better.”

In this episode:

1:40 Rachel and Seth’s life together: “He loved being a hero to the girls.”

3:57 Signs: “It wasn’t the signs we typically look for, but I think in retrospect, there were other signs.”

5:14 Rachel's search for answers: “I really believed that finding answers would give me some form of relief.”

8:33 What Rachel learned in her interviews with doctors and experts

10:45 Rachel interviews Leonard, a man who attempted suicide: “I thought maybe he would unlock this truth about what he was thinking right before.”

13:10 Rachel’s stopping point: “I am never going to understand it fully.”

14:26 Reclaiming joy: “Let’s allow pleasure and joy to come back in.’"

17:54 Rachel’s advice for people who have lost their spouses: “It does get better…and you need to ask for help.”

20:13 Final thoughts: “Obviously it was a disaster and caused tremendous pain. But in the back of my mind, as I was writing, the good was that we survived and thrived and found joy again.”  

More:

For more of Rachel’s story, read her book, “Us, After,” and visit her website. 

Laura and her husband welcomed two sons in consecutive years. They were energetic little boys, who slept as long as Laura cradled them in her arms. When they got a little bit older, the children went to an elite private school, which tapped Laura as president of its parents’ association. From the outside, her family had everything to be envious of.

"We had all the things that people thought, ‘If I had that, I would be happy,’” Laura says. “They looked at us, including me at the time, and thought they have it all together. This is the goal,” and Laura, “worked hard to keep up that facade. 

“The only thing I really cared about, really cared about was my connection to my children,” she continues. “But in order for me to do anything, I needed the Ambien and the booze. I had to wash it down with booze in order to get it to be as effective as I needed it to be.”

When Laura was first prescribed Ambien in 2002, it gave her, “the best sleep of my life,” she says. “I woke up the next morning full of energy. I can be the fun mom and, ‘Let’s go to the pumpkin patch,’ and let's do all the things that I would be dragging myself to normally.”

“I think that the addiction probably wouldn't have come into play if I weren't so separated from who I am authentically,” she assesses. “By the time I had my kids and was physically just kind of devastated by the lack of sleep and by the kids who wanted my attention all the time, I think I was ripe for an addiction. And because I have this front that I like to keep up, I'm not great at asking for help.”

In this episode:

1:26: How Laura’s desire to be the perfect mom and wife resulted in silent suffering and anxiety-fueled insomnia

2:54: The start of an addiction and her life in hiding

7:04: How being disconnected from her authentic self made her vulnerable to addiction

9:26: The breaking point: When Laura knew she had to make a change

13:23: Her difficult time in treatment where she met her “person”

15:47: The moment she realized she wanted sobriety

18:56: What has aided her recovery

20:39: Laura’s message to those impacted by addiction

22:50: How to recognize the signs in your own life

23:57: Laura’s “biggest lesson” from recovery
 

More:

For more about Laura’s recovery, read “Stash: My Life in Hiding.”

You can also follow her podcast, The Only One in the Room.

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Note: This episode discusses addiction, withdrawal, and recovery. Please take care while listening.

If you or someone you love is struggling, help is available.

Contact the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) Helpline at 1-800-662-HELP (4357) or visit the organization online. 

You may also find the websites for Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, and Al-Anon to be helpful. 

Two years earlier, doctors removed a non-cancerous brain tumor about the size of a golfball, and Shayne was eager to get back to doing things he enjoyed, like rock climbing and wildlife photography. 

On a solo hike in Grand Teton National Park, Shayne couldn’t shake an “eerie feeling.”

“I didn't really quite feel alone,” he says. “I felt like something bad was gonna happen.”

Shayne spotted a bear cub, and merely seconds later, “the mom was jumping on me,” he says. “I just told myself I was probably gonna die.”

Miraculously Shayne survived. Listen as he reveals what was going through his mind during the attack, his rescue, and his emotional and physical recovery journey. Don’t miss this gripping story of survival, love, and resiliency of the human spirit. 

In this episode:

2:29 The honeymoon adventure: Searching for the Great Gray Owl

3:11 Shayne’s solo hike: “I did start to get a real eerie feeling”

4:37 The bear attack: A fight for survival

9:33 Rescue and recovery: “I just blew my whistle. S-O-S, S-O-S constantly.”

13:10 Reflections and gratitude: Life after the attack

14:44 Final thoughts: advice and appreciation

At a dinner party in 2016 she overheard a man ask a young girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. 

“And she rattled off all these incredible things, and his eyes kind of glazed over,” Wendy, says on Hears How. “I think he was sorry he asked. But it really stuck with me, hearing her rattle off all these things that, at age 45, no one was ever going to ask me that anymore. And more importantly, I'd stopped asking myself. And that is what led me the next morning to wake up and Google, ‘What are the hardest things you can do?’”

Which led her to the world of obstacle course racing. To date she’s participated in more than 50 races and in November finished in fifth place for her age group at the 2024 Trifecta World Championship held in Sparta, Greece.

Wendy says she doesn’t know exactly why she searched that particular phrase, “but clearly there was a feeling inside that something was left in my tank, something I hadn't tapped.”

And that is why it is so important that you listen to this episode, so you can answer the question Do you hear a whisper or feel a push telling you there’s more?

In this show:

1:06 The entire point of this podcast episode: Is there more left in your tank?

3:21 From journalist to athlete

5:52 The dinner party revelation

9:33 The first steps in training

15:28 Facing challenges and overcoming obstacles off the course

17:14 The hardest part of all: Mastery and the plateau

26:56 Wendy’s advice for aspiring racers

28:09 Final thoughts

More:

To learn more about Wendy, visit her website and read her book “Not Too Late: The Power of Pushing Limits at Any Age.”  You can also follow her on Instagram. 

Be sure to subscribe to the Hears How podcast so you don’t miss an episode! 

Surrounded by art in his studio, Ike says he hopes his pieces remind people “of a simpler time in their life or a person or a place that just brings a warm feeling to their heart.”

But for Ike, things haven't always been as bright as Crayola's sun yellow. After contracting COVID in 2020, he fell into a deep depression. 

“It was just not me,” Ike recalls. “I know how inspired I am, how focused I am, how determined I am, and my work ethic and all that just went out the window.”

Thankfully, Ike sought treatment at a facility where things quickly improved.

“It changed my life overnight,” he says. “When I showed up at the clinic, I was sleeping about an hour-and-a-half to two hours a night for about a month straight. My nervous system was just shot, and my brain was mush. Everything was just rough, and within two days of being at the clinic, I was like, ‘Okay, I can function as a human again.’" 

In this episode of Hears How, Ike shares his journey, one that he cautions isn’t one size fits all. But he speaks candidly to provide others comfort in knowing they are not alone.

In this episode:

Open: Introduction to Ike’s story

2:50 The start of Ike’s interest in wood art

3:58 The intention behind his works

5:00 Mental health symptoms appear months after contracting COVID: “I just woke up different.”

7:29 Ike’s symptoms worsen, and he seeks treatment at a wellness facility 

9:45 How Ike gets through difficult days: “You allow yourself to have tough days”

10:34 The questions he asks himself on hard days

11:43 When experiencing mental health challenges know “You’re not alone in it”

13:06 Ike recommends “Practicing gratitude and optimism everyday" 

More:

For more about Ike and his artwork, follow him on Instagram, @ike_wynter

You can find information about support groups and the National Alliance on Mental Illness HelpLine at their website

You can also call, chat or text the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. 

“That whole thing about being lost is kind of central, not only to the book, but to any of us in survival situations where there's the physical need for survival,” Michelle says. “Like, where you could actually die from starvation or whatever, but then there's also times in life where you feel like you're going to die because you don't know what to do. You feel so paralyzed emotionally. I think it's very similar. 

“Stop, stop moving,” she continues. “Stay still. Get quiet. Notice what's around you. The thing you do with survival is try not to let the anxiety lead you, but instead bring yourself down to stillness and find what is your next right move.”

Michelle is now a college professor and author of a memoir that chronicles her childhood,  “Forager: Field Notes for Surviving a Family Cult.” Tune in to be inspired by Michelle's resilience and transformation.

In this episode:

02:48 Origins of the cult founded by Michelle’s grandfather

3:39 Michelle’s relationship with her abusive, neglectful parents: “My parents didn’t say, ‘I love you.' They didn’t raise us to need that.”

4:45 Daily life inside the organization: “Happiness was absolutely not allowed”

5:42 Unwritten rules: no dancing, movies, or touching the opposite sex: “You had to obey the leader, at all costs, at all times.”

07:34 Michelle faces health challenges 

8:50 Michelle is ex-communicated from the cult for seeing an R-rated movie with a young man

13:03 The hardest part: “Not trusting yourself … and ultimately having no connection to self”

14:36 How Michelle rebuilt her life 

17:10 Her advice for overcoming challenges: “Stop panicking. Don't let fear set in to the degree that it paralyzes you.”

More:

For more on Michelle’s story, read her book, "Forager," follow her on Substack and Instagram.

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“I couldn’t keep up with things,” says Jillian, known for her work on Disney’s “Walk the Prank” and “Godmothered.”  “I couldn’t make sentences. I couldn’t write. There was no creativity. I just was, like, dead basically.” 

“So if I’m choosing between being a cool human being,” Jillian adds, “who’s fun to be around and who enjoys her life, and who’s happy and successful, or being skinny, I’m obviously going to choose the other one.”

While in treatment in 2022, Jillian wrote a short film, “The Noise,” that depicts her unrelenting inner voice that told her she was nothing.

“I think a lot of the representation out there and a lot of the media tends to just talk about, the body issues and the physical issues that come from eating disorders,” Jillian says, “and nobody ever really talks about the mental aspect of it.”

Listen to the episode now to learn how Jillian has been able to silence the noise.  

In this episode:

2:01 Jillian’s start in the entertainment industry

3:08 Her battle with anorexia inspires her short film, “The Noise,” which conveys the mental anguish she experienced: “It felt like a mental battle.” 

5:15 Show business warps Jillian’s perception of what’s normal: “It’s a very yay, self-love but there’s no self love kind of industry.”  

7:10 The depths of Jillian’s illness: “I would wake up, lay around, didn’t have energy to talk, didn’t have energy to move but would force myself to go to the gym for hours…”

9:46 Jillian enters treatment and gives insight to the valuable realizations she discovered: “It’s taken a lot of time, but I’m starting to distance myself from my need to be successful because it’s so out of my control.” 

13:08 Jillian reveals her relationship with food and her body and mind today: “Food, I’m treating it like a joy." 

15:22 Jillian’s advice for the hard days and those with an eating disorder: “Just try as hard as you can to keep the eye on the prize.”

More:

Jillian’s short film, “The Noise, is available to watch on her YouTube channel. You can follow her on Instagram and TikTok. 

You can also follow Hears How on Instagram to stay up to date on the latest from the show. 

"The language barrier hit me like a rock,” he says in this episode of “Hears How.” “How am I going to communicate with people? That's when reality set in. That's when I realized, 'Gosh, I don't even know how to (tell) people when I'm hungry, how to go to school.’”

Once Paul enrolled in high school and began learning English, he felt a renewed since of purpose. He graduated college and was accepted to medical school, but felt overwhelmed by the brilliance of his fellow students. 

“I felt very intimidated, because you're surrounded by all of the competitive, top of the class,” he says. “Here I am, little Vietnamese guy, looks so young, spoke I call it broken English, with an accent and everything. The only (way) I can compete with them (is if I) study hard.” 

“They are way, way ahead of you, not just IQ wise, everything,” he told himself. “So, the best thing you can do is just work hard, do the best you can.”

He experienced “a rough time,” he admits. “But I put in more hours than most of my colleagues. I think the best thing is that I realized what my weakness. So I just work on it.”   

Tune in to hear about Paul’s struggles, his resilience, and the invaluable lesson in hard work and perseverance that led him to achieve his dreams.

In this episode:

Intro

1:25 Paul’s details his upbringing in Vietnam, sharing a 450 sq. ft flat with his parents and six siblings 

2:35 Paul has to flee Vietnam 

4:04 His crowded boat is robbed by pirates. Paul makes a promise to Buddha that if he survives he’ll use his talents to help people in need

5:50 Paul arrives in the States, where the communication barrier “hit me like a rock”

7:15 School, where Paul learned English, became his “salvation.”

10:05 Paul has a difficult time while in college and discovers therapy 

13:27 How Paul overcame the temptation of giving up

14:52 Paul’s advice for when people doubt you 

15:30 Paul’s advice for refugees arriving to the US

More:

For more on Paul’s incredible journey, read his book, “From Survivor to Surgeon: A Refugee's Memoir of Perseverance and Purpose.” 

Follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram for more inspirational content. 

Ben heard a familiar whistling sound followed by a massive explosion. The soldier driving the news crew tried to reverse but then came a second explosion.

“Everything went black,” remembers Ben, the only survivor of the attack. “And right in front of me, came my daughter, Honor — as real as anything, into the blackness she came. And she said to me, ‘Daddy, you've gotta get out of the car.’ And I just came right back, flooding into the world without even thinking. And I took one step out (of the car) and then the third one hit … I’m unconscious for a bit, and I wake up about 10 feet away from the car, and I'm on fire.”
 
 Ben noticed his right leg was “hanging on by some skin” as he tried to put out the flames engulfing him. His left foot had a hole in it the size of a baseball. His skull had been fractured and his left eye sliced in half. Much of his left hand had been destroyed.

“I thought of getting home to my daughters when I was injured,” Ben says of Honor, Iris, and Hero. “And I said a prayer. The two places I went, when everything else was taken away — even though I wasn't really a strictly practicing Catholic — those are the two places I went: my family, and I said a prayer, ‘Please, Lord. Please help me get home right now.’”

This conversation walks us through Ben’s tough road to recovery, during which he held tight to a vision of reuniting with his family. His recount highlights the crucial role of loved ones and community in the healing process.

In this episode:

4:22 Ben recounts the day of the attack, March 14, 2022

6:40 Ben explains how a vision of his daughter Honor saved him

8:26 Ben remembers his late colleagues, Pierre Zakrzewski and Oleksandra "Sasha" Kuvshynova 

9:38 Ben is rescued from the site of the attack

10:46 A plan is formed to get Ben out of Ukraine

13:35 Ben begins rehabilitation at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio

15:05 After months, Ben is finally headed home to be reunited with his wife, Alicia, and their three daughters: “I feel a physical sense of love, which I never did before” 

21:25 Ben discusses how he was able to overcome his challenges: “No matter how difficult things are, there is goodness on the other side.”

24:27 Ben shares his advice for those going through a challenging time

More: 

Ben details his attack and recovery in his book, “Saved: A War Reporter's Mission to Make It Home,” available for purchase. 

Ben’s recent work can be viewed on Fox News’ website. New episodes of his inspirational podcast, “Searching for Heroes with Benjamin Hall” are released on Wednesday. 

More:

Purchase “Drinking Games,” available on paperback Jan. 2. 

Follow Sarah on Instagram. 

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Jean and her boyfriend, Ken, set out for the John Muir Trail in 1982. She was just shy of 23 when she headed out for the journey, a little under 215 miles, that would end near Mount Whitney. On what the couple thought would be the last day of their trip, the weather changed abruptly.

“It started to snow, and it was lightning and thundering,” remembers Jean. “And then the weather would get good for a while, and then it got worse. We couldn't go the way we had hoped to because the rocks were glazing up, and I decided I was going to down climb that 20 feet.”

But Jean gets to a point where she’s frozen. “I can't move up, I can't move down,” she says. “This voice bubbled up and it said, ‘God, don't let me fall.’ And then my world went dark. and I'm tumbling down."

Jean fell 150 feet down a mountain, and her resulting injuries were extensive. Hear her powerful story of survival.

In this episode:

0:35 Introduction to Jean and her story

3:38 Why Jean loves the mountains

5:32 A voice warns Jean “Something terrible’s gonna happen.”

8:38 The fall

10:24 Jean feels her life force exiting her body after the accident. 

11:20 The mantra that kept Jean going

14:37 Jean makes it to the hospital. “In many ways, the chapters that followed, if you will, in my life were the harder ones.”

17:59 Jean embarks on fulfilling her vow to see the Himalayas. 

20:21 Jean decides to return to Mount Whitney and “Death’s campsite.”

22:25 “I harbored a lot of self-hatred”: How Jean was able to finally forgive herself

25:07 “Be open to new directions. Life/the universe might have different plans for you.”

More: 

To learn more about Jean and her journey, purchase her book “If I Live Until Morning: A True Story of Adventure, Tragedy and Transformation.” 

To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe to the show and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram.

The Season 1 finale of “Hears How” offers two incredible stories about authors and foster care alumni, Justin and Alexis Black. Their book, “Redefining Normal: How Two Foster Kids Beat the Odds and Discovered Healing, Happiness and Love,” is full of eye-opening statistics. “Only 56% of foster youth graduate high school while less than 3% of foster youth graduate college,” it reads. “40-50% of former foster youth become homeless within 18 months after leaving care.”

Despite their extremely challenging upbringings, Justin and Alexis defied the odds. They met in college and got married. They've worked hard on their relationship and have had to shed flawed notions about what love means.  

In this episode:

Justin’s upbringing battling generations of domestic violence, drug use, and undiagnosed mental health issues [3:01]

Justin enters foster care at 9-years-old [5:51]

Alexis’ childhood: The death of her biological mother and living with her abusive biological father [7:41]

Alexis enters the foster care system at 13, after her dad is sentenced to prison [9:20]

Justin and Alexis meet in college [10:02]

Challenges arise in their relationship due to past experiences [13:21]

How Justin and Alexis were able to overcome the harrowing circumstances of their early lives [16:44]

Their advice for those facing difficulties [19:10]

More:

For more about Justin and Alexis Black, visit their website  where you can purchase their books “Redefining Normal: How Two Foster Kids Beat the Odds and Discovered Healing, Happiness and Love” and “I Love You More Than Cereal: Maeva and Dad Redefine Love.”

To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe to the show and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram. 

With her infant son Harley in mind, she pushed on.

“The thought of Harley not having his mother was more than I could bear,” she says. “I thought, ‘I don't want him to read about me, and the final thing he reads about his mother is that she gave up.’”

Ashley’s fight paid off when her doctor informed her, “There’s no evidence of disease present,” after reviewing her scans. Ashley has now been in remission for more than 14 years.

“Life is hard. Nobody ever promised it would be easy and a walk in the park,” Ashley acknowledges. “(But) you can overcome it.”

In this episode:

A recap of Ashley’s diagnosis [Opening]

The results of Ashley’s new scans: “Maybe, just maybe I’m gonna come out of this” [2:41] 

Another scan shows “There’s no evidence of disease present” [4:00]

A new lease on life: “Just the fact that you take a breath is a miracle” [6:11]

Ashley gets pregnant, despite appearing to be in early menopause [7:34]

Ashley’s advice for people going through a challenging time [13:43]

More: 

For more about Ashley Hallford, visit her website, where you can also purchase a copy of her book, “Losing Control: How God Used Cancer and Infertility to Bring Me to the End of Myself.” 

To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram. 

After four weeks of treatment, during which some of her tumors had grown, doctors advised of two options, Ashley says. She could “stop the treatment and go home and enjoy the time with your family," or try “one last ditch effort of chemo.” 

“I just couldn't stop,” Ashley says. “If I didn't have a child, I probably would've given up because it was that bad. It really was. But the thought of Harley not having his mother was more than I could bear. And so I thought, ‘I don't want him to read about me, and the final thing he reads about his mother is that she gave up.’”

Today, Ashley has been in remission for more than 14 years. 

More: 

For more about Ashley Hallford, visit her website,  where you can also purchase a copy of her book, “Losing Control: How God Used Cancer and Infertility to Bring Me to the End of Myself.” 

To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe to the show and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram. 

Thankfully Greg was exonerated in 2019, and I'm so excited to share this episode with you. I first learned of Greg’s story by watching the 2020 Showtime docuseries “Outcry.” I highly recommended it if you want to know more about Greg's story. For this podcast, I wanted to find out exactly how Greg was able to stay so steadfast throughout this nightmarish ordeal and what his life is like now.

In this episode:

Greg Kelley, the football star [2:24]

The first accusation is made [3:34]

Greg is convicted [5:43]

Greg’s case is reopened approximately three years after his conviction [10:50]

Greg is officially exonerated [14:19]

Greg’s grit mentality [17:42]

Greg’s advice for people facing challenges [18:10]

More: 

This episode gets into some of the topics covered in “Outcry,” but certainly not as thoroughly as the five-hour docuseries does. I highly recommended streaming it on Showtime, if you want to know more about Greg's story.

Follow Greg on Instagram, @grkelley2 

You can also check out his axe-throwing business. 

To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram. 

In this episode:

The morning of Tristin’s car accident [1:32]
 Tristin wakes up in the hospital [4:52]
Tristin’s dad informs her of her car accident [5:38]
Tristin progresses during physical therapy [10:10]
How Tristin’s attitude served her [13:47]
Throwing out the first pitch at a Minor League Baseball game [17:13]

More:

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The couple wed and tried for a decade to have a baby. On Sept. 6, 2001, Lauren flew from California to attend her grandmother’s funeral in New Jersey and tell her family some good news: she and Jack were expecting. On Sept. 11, she arrived at Newark's airport far enough in advance to get an earlier return flight home on United 93. 

In the premiere of the “Hears How” podcast, Jack shares the depths of his grief and how he was able to find love again.

In this episode:
How they met: Jack and Lauren’s love story [3:36]
The morning of Sept. 11 [6:33]
Jack’s grief and the benefits of therapy [9:30]
Jack falls in love again [16:44]
What else helped Jack [20:30]

More:
If you would like to learn more about Jack’s story, purchase his book, “Like a River to the Sea: Heartbreak and Hope in the Wake of United 93.”  
For more information on the Flight 93 National Memorial visit its website.
To stay updated on “Hears How,” subscribe to the show and follow @HearsHowPodcast on Instagram.