In this episode, Jill McClennen speaks with Philadelphia-area researcher and photographer Edward Snyder about abandoned and forgotten cemeteries and what they reveal about dying, grief, legacy, and conscious living. Ed explains how his interest in cemetery art grew into decades of documenting burial practices and the death care industry, including stories of cemeteries destroyed, built over, or only partly moved, leaving human remains under streets, playgrounds, and parking lots. He cites the Philadelphia Archaeological Forum’s map of 200 historic burial sites. He describes cases like Monument Cemetery near Temple University and the First Baptist Church burial ground, where thousands may still remain. They discuss what can happen legally when construction finds remains, the dumping of tombstones along the Betsy Ross Bridge shoreline, neglect and restoration efforts at Mount Moriah, Mount Vernon, and Har Hasetim, and how green burials and community events can fund long-term care. 

01:40 Cemetery Photography Obsession

04:51 How Many Hidden Burial Grounds

07:17 Monument and Lafayette Cemeteries

09:04 Construction Finds and the Law

11:09 Tombstones Dumped in Rivers

16:50 Grave Robbing at Mount Moriah

21:59 Turning Cemeteries into Green Space

27:48 Why Cemeteries Get Abandoned

29:12 Green Burial as a Lifeline

35:51 Camden Cemeteries and River Markers

https://thecemeterytraveler.blogspot.com/

Abandoned and Forgotten Cemeteries of Philadelphia and its Environs book on Amazon

“History Lives at Fort Mifflin” multi-author event

April 11, 2026, Fort Mifflin, 6400 Hog Island Rd, Philadelphia, PA 19153

“Abandoned Site Photography” Artist Talk Event with Ed Snyder and Veronika Schmude, April 15, 2026, Plays and Players Theatre, 1714 Delancey St, Philadelphia, PA 19103 

“The Challenge of the Abandoned Cemetery” presentation at the Spring 2026 Pennsylvania Chapter meeting of the Association for Gravestone Studies, May 2, 2026, Berks History Center, Reading, PA

Seeing Death Clearly episodes mentioned in this podcast:
How Natural Burial is Changing End-of-Life Planning with Ed Bixby

Reviving Philadelphia’s Forgotten Mount Vernon Cemetery with Brandon Zimmerman

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In this episode my guest Cristian Cibilis Bernardes, founder and CEO of Autograph and I explore how preserving memories can become a powerful part of legacy and end-of-life planning. The conversation highlights why hearing a loved one’s voice and stories can bring comfort, healing, and deeper understanding during grief.

Autograph is a platform designed to preserve people’s life stories before they are lost. Autograph records weekly phone interviews with an AI historian named Walter, capturing real conversations about a person’s memories, relationships, and life lessons. The recordings are transcribed and organized into private, connected pages that map the people, places, and experiences that shape a life, creating what Cristian describes as a living library of family wisdom.

The platform also sets clear boundaries around technology. Instead of creating AI avatars or simulations of the dead, every story is grounded in real recordings to protect authenticity and avoid the ethical concerns that can arise when technology recreates a person who has died.

The conversation explores how documenting memories can support healing, strengthen family connections, and encourage more conscious living. 

01:36 Autograph Explained

03:22 Time Vault for Families

04:56 Grief and Boundaries

06:35 Stories Shape Identity

08:40 AI and Authentic Memory

13:06 How the Platform Works

16:02 Pricing and Access Model

17:28 Don’t Wait to Record

20:12 Christian’s Origin Story

21:56 AI Translation and Connection

24:02 Love Notes for Later

25:51 Kids Change Everything

26:58 Life Is Hard for Everyone

28:01 Authoring Your Own Story

28:51 Screens and Fading Memories

31:33 Why Walter Is Audio

34:34 Gratitude and Mortality

37:20 Measured Optimism as Founder

38:35 Escaping Algorithm Negativity

41:40 Doing AI Companions Right

44:36 Where to Find Autograph

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ccibils

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End-of-life doula Joy Rodriguez talks with me about death doula work and supporting people who choose medical aid in dying. Medical aid in dying is often misunderstood and can be hard to access even where it is legal, especially when it is difficult to find participating providers. Joy shares her path from hospice volunteering in Washington to serving as a volunteer client advisor with End of Life Washington, helping families locate eligible doctors, understand the process, and prepare for the day of death.

 She notes that hospice would not allow her to volunteer if she did that work. After moving to Hawaii, Joy saw how limited education and navigation support left many unaware of the law, so she now offers paid doula support with a sliding scale. They discuss emotional labor, the value of planning early, how a person’s “line in the sand” can change as illness progresses, and keeping clients as the “captains” of their own end-of-life choices.

00:00 Clients Captain Their Ship

00:20 Show Intro And Episode Setup

02:12 Joy Journey Hospice To Washington

05:34 Volunteering And Finding Providers

07:29 Pay Emotional Labor And Access

09:02 Paid Doula Work In Hawaii

15:24 Education Gaps And Public Awareness

17:16 Autonomy Misconceptions And Doctors

21:58 Planning Listening And Lines Shift

28:08 Doulas Versus Social Workers

33:52 Scope Of Practice And Captain Metaphor

41:18 Wrap Up And Where To Find Joy

42:24 Final Call To Action

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Community Care Events Medical Aid In Dying Bereavement Support Group

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In this episode, a palliative care physician explains how early support and thoughtful end-of-life planning can reduce fear, ease suffering, and improve quality of life for patients and families.

Dr. David Casarett, chief of Palliative Care at Duke Health, describes palliative care as whole-person support that relieves symptoms and helps people make difficult medical decisions, even while receiving aggressive treatment. He contrasts this with hospice, which focuses on comfort for those expected to have six months or less to live. 

00:17 Welcome to Seeing Death + Meet Dr. David Casarett

01:49 What Palliative Care Really Is (and What It Isn’t)

03:50 Palliative Care vs. Hospice: The Key Differences

04:39 How to Access Palliative Care Outside the Hospital

08:42 Misconceptions & Resistance: Why Palliative Care Gets Misread

10:38 Making Hard Choices: Ventilators, Odds, and Patient Goals

14:08 Age Isn’t the Whole Story: Function, Resilience, and Will to Live

16:15 Inside the Interdisciplinary Team: Social Work, Chaplaincy, Nursing & More

19:23 The Undiscovered Country: A Doctor’s Travel Guide to the End of Life

20:21 What People Fear About Dying (and What It Often Looks Like)

21:34 How Death Happens: The Body’s Timing, Physiology, and a Peaceful End

25:04 The Moment of Death: Quieter Than the Movies

25:57 What Comes After? Making Peace With the Unknown

26:34 Can People Sense Their Death? Monks, Intuition, and Timing

27:59 A Patient Who ‘Needed to Go Home’: The Botswana Story

31:43 Patterns Across Cultures: Visions and ‘People in the Room’

32:57 Terminal Delirium vs. End-of-Life Visions (and When to Treat)

35:47 Why Education Matters: Preparing Families for What’s Normal

36:36 Media Myths, Hospice Misconceptions, and Getting Support Sooner

41:45 Changing Care Earlier: Goals-of-Care Conversations + AI ‘Goal Coach’

45:23 Where to Find the Book + Final Thanks and Listener Support

Website: www.casarett.com

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/david-casarett

David’s TED Talk: A Doctor's Case for Medical Marijuana

David’s TEDxTalk: Gods, Munchkins & The Science Of Reviving The Dead

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In this episode, for Black History Month, Jill interviews her longtime friend Rashine Curry (Rah Rah), a mother of six from Atlantic City. Rah Rah describes how poverty, racism, and systemic bias shaped her life, including incarceration, untreated mental illness, and medical neglect in prison. She shares major losses: her daughter’s father was murdered when the baby was six months old, her longtime partner and father of her other children was murdered, and she was not allowed to attend his funeral while incarcerated. She also recounts her brother’s murder, being raped in prison, and witnessing incarcerated people die after requests for medical help were ignored. 

Rah Rah talks about how she welcomed a woman, who once sheltered Rah Rah and her children during homelessness, into her home for hospice. Rah Rah provided hands-on care, kept family visitors close, used music meant for hospice patients, and says Ms. Denise died peacefully on December 20. Rah Rah also speaks about her father’s ongoing incarceration: he received a 65-years-to-life sentence for snatching a bag of money from UPS, has been imprisoned about 35 years, is now 75, blind, and showing signs of dementia and being denied clemency despite petitions. 

00:00 From Prison to Peace: Rah’s New Life

00:15 Meet the Host + Black History Month Episode Setup

01:21 How Cathedral Kitchen Opened Jill’s Eyes to Systemic Bias

03:03 Rah Introduces Herself: Atlantic City, Motherhood, and Reentry

06:16 Grief Piled on Grief: Murders, Separation, and Mental Health

11:38 Survival, Crime, and the Inhumanity of Prison

14:29 Paying It Forward: Bringing Her Benefactor Home for Hospice

19:43 The Final Days: Love, Exhaustion, and Letting Her Rest

23:04 After Death: Signs, Spirits, and What Still Lingers at Home

24:01 Spirits at Home: Feeling Ms. Denise Still Around

25:12 Signs & Comfort: When the Spirit Tries to Calm You

26:10 Remembering Ms. Denise: The Life of a Beloved Friend

27:54 Show Up Before It’s Too Late: Visiting Loved Ones at End of Life

31:31 Her Father’s Prison Story: A Final Visit in Handcuffs

34:34 Aging, Dementia & Prison Reform: Why Keep Him Locked Up?

35:52 Clemency Denied & Life Inside Blind: The System’s Failures

39:51 Coping With Grief: Music, Grandkids, and Staying Busy

41:36 Cathedral Kitchen Changed My Life: Certificates, Community, and Purpose

43:50 Protecting Your Peace: Choosing Solitude Over Toxic Relationships

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In this episode of Seeing Death Clearly, host Jill McClennen, a death doula and funeral celebrant, speaks with Marcy Shrewsbury Lopez about her extraordinary love story and journey through grief. 

Marcy shares her experience being married to her husband, who was 46 years older than her, and the deep connection they shared until his death at 98 years old. 

She reflects on the challenges of caregiving and her path to healing through art, teaching, and nature. Marcy also discusses her memoir, 'A Place of Promise,' which portrays their love story and her personal growth. 

This conversation highlights the themes of love, aging, and the perseverance required to move forward after losing a loved one.

00:00 Finding a Place of Promise

00:21 Introduction to the Podcast

01:24 Marcy's Early Life and Background

03:40 Life in The Bahamas and Return to New Jersey

07:15 Pursuing Art and Medical Illustration

10:56 Meeting and Marrying Adrian

12:50 Caring for Adrian and Coping with Loss

16:19 Moving Forward and Embracing New Experiences

19:38 The Healing Power of Horses

21:24 A Healing Connection with Horses

22:30 Art as a Grieving Outlet

24:45 The Power of Nature in Healing

26:33 Teaching and Giving Back

29:21 Writing a Memoir: A Journey of Love and Loss

33:54 The Challenges of Publishing

41:07 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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In this episode of Seeing Death Clearly, host Jill McClennen, a death doula and funeral celebrant, is joined by Ken Biery, a seasoned funeral director and founder of the Funeral Service Collective. Ken shares his journey from military service into the funeral profession and the experiences that shaped his commitment to innovation and family-centered care.

Together, they explore how the funeral industry is evolving, including emerging ideas such as sustainable memorials, underwater cemeteries, and the growing role of live-streamed services. The conversation also highlights how younger generations’ desire for meaningful, personalized experiences is reshaping traditional funeral practices.

A central focus of the episode is the potential for collaboration between funeral directors and death doulas. Ken and Jill discuss how these roles can complement one another by offering emotional, spiritual, and educational support to families, and they outline practical ways death doulas can begin building relationships with funeral homes. This episode offers thoughtful insight into how collaboration can strengthen end-of-life care and better serve communities.

00:00 Introduction to Compassionate End-of-Life Care

00:39 Meet Ken Beery: A Journey from Military to Funeral Service

00:55 Innovations in the Funeral Industry

03:08 The Role of Death Doulas in Funeral Services

08:47 Challenges and Opportunities for Collaboration

17:59 The Importance of Personalized Memorials

24:02 Collaborating with Funeral Homes

25:02 Building Referral Partnerships

26:48 Addressing Certification Concerns

32:18 The Importance of Teamwork

35:25 Generational Differences in the Industry

38:14 The Role of Technology

43:24 Concluding Thoughts and Contact Information

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In this episode, I’m joined by Thomas Dixon, a Philadelphia native with a powerful and deeply personal story. Thomas shares his journey from working in psychiatry research to teaching middle school in South Korea, and the life-altering shift that followed a near-fatal accident in 2010. After being hit by a car, Thomas developed epilepsy and a permanent episodic memory disability that reshaped his daily life—and his sense of purpose.

Living with memory loss led Thomas to write his memoir, I'm Sorry, That's Awesome, and to develop ME.mory, a digital memory system designed to help people record, organize, and recall their life experiences. In our conversation, we talk about what it’s like to live with an invisible disability, how memory loss impacts identity and independence, and why memory is something all of us, regardless of diagnosis, are slowly losing over time.

Thomas is currently raising funds to support the continued development and public relaunch of ME.mory. You’ll find links in the show notes if you’d like to learn more or support his work. This is a thoughtful, eye-opening conversation about memory, meaning, and what it means to adapt when life changes everything.

00:00 Introduction and Personal Acceptance

00:25 Welcome to Seeing Death Podcast

00:47 Guest Introduction: Thomas Dixon's Journey

02:32 Life After the Accident

04:11 Understanding Memory Loss

07:15 Career Transition and Acceptance

09:09 Building a New Life and Relationships

11:32 Creating Memory: The Digital System

14:01 Writing the Memoir: 'I'm Sorry, That's Awesome'

18:36 Discussing Death and Cultural Perspectives

20:18 Reflecting on Family Losses

21:48 Impact of Injury on Life Perspective

22:43 Living with Memory Disability

25:03 Navigating Social Interactions

32:25 Traveling with Memory Challenges

37:36 Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts

https://biausa.org/brain-injury/community/speakers-bureau/thomas-dixon

I'm Sorry... That's Awesome!: Inventing a Solution for Memory Loss on Amazon https://a.co/d/1GXfKOZ

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In this episode of 'Seeing Death Clearly,' host Jill McClennen talks with Christian Millward, a mother of six from Idaho, about her journey with grief and spirit communication. Christian shares how the deaths of her mother and seven-week-old daughter, Indi, led her to discover her spiritual connection and create the Indie Star Cards, a tool to help people communicate with loved ones who have passed away. 

They discuss emotional awareness, generational trauma, and the importance of having an exit strategy for antidepressant use during pregnancy. Kristen also emphasizes the importance of normalizing discussions about death and spirit communication to facilitate the healing process.

00:00 Introduction to Spirit Communication

00:40 Meet Our Guest: Christian Millward

02:10 Kristen's Journey Through Grief

04:26 The Loss of Baby Indi

07:33 Generational Trauma and Healing

07:55 The Role of Antidepressants

11:26 Creating the Indi Star Cards

12:24 Normalizing Spirit Communication

15:05 Using the Indi Star Cards

19:43 Finding Peace Through Awareness

20:46 Sacred Tools and Their Significance

21:12 The Journey of Creating Handmade Decks

22:04 Communicating with Loved Ones Beyond

23:49 Personal Experiences with Spirit Communication

31:25 Teaching and Building a Community

34:33 Navigating Emotional Health and Medication

37:50 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode, Michael Williams, the founder of Memoir Studio, discusses his transition from end-of-life planning to helping people write their memoirs. They explore the therapeutic power of storytelling, especially for older adults, and how sharing personal stories can offer emotional and historical value. Michael emphasizes the importance of acknowledging life's ups and downs, regrets, and failures in memoir writing. Michael shares touching stories of his clients finding their voices and the profound impact of preserving legacies through narrative.

00:35 Guest Introduction: Michael Williams

00:40 Michael's Journey: From End-of-Life Planning to Memoir Writing

00:46 The Power of Storytelling

00:55 Therapeutic Benefits of Memoir Writing

01:02 Fear of Judgment and Vulnerability

01:15 Welcoming Michael to the Podcast

01:36 Michael's Background and Passion for Memoirs

01:54 End of Life Planning Facilitator

02:55 Supporting Families and Addressing Practical Aspects

04:55 Transition to Memoir Work

05:10 Discussing End of Life Plans with Clients

06:07 Reassuring Conversations About Death

08:57 Legacy Work and Finding Meaning

12:30 Recording and Transcribing Stories

13:34 Helping Clients Find Their Voice

18:12 The Importance of Preserving Stories

18:48 Personal Reflections on Family Stories

22:09 The Value of Listening to Elders

23:19 The Importance of Journaling

23:41 Family Stories and Names

25:00 Everyone's Life is Interesting

29:38 The Power of Group Writing

30:10 Therapeutic Benefits of Writing

32:38 Challenges in Writing Memoirs

34:47 Honesty and Universal Themes in Memoirs

38:59 Dealing with Regrets and Mistakes

42:54 End of Life and Legacy

43:07 Conclusion and Resources

Links: My Substack page: https://memoirstudio.substack.com

The Memoir Studio at https://memoirstudio.ca

My personal website: https://www.michaelwilliamsstoryteller.com

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In this end-of-year episode of Seeing Death Clearly, host Jill McClennen sits down with her husband Steven to reflect on three years of podcasting. As the year 2025 closes, they discuss personal and professional highlights, stoicism, aging, and emotional experiences with death and grief. They delve into broader societal issues like elder care in the United States and the balance of everyday life. Jill also shares plans for future episodes, re-inviting past guests to explore their evolving perspectives. This candid conversation touches on navigating uncertainty, staying connected, and living intentionally.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:36 Reflecting on the Past Year

02:14 Guest Highlights and Future Plans

03:13 Navigating a Chaotic Year

06:47 Thoughts on Aging and Society

16:35 End of Life Conversations

21:33 Home Funerals and Personal Rituals

23:41 The Importance of Pre-Planning

24:22 Challenges in Discussing Mortality

28:18 Caregiving and Government Support

33:24 Reflections on Life and Death

41:08 Looking Forward to the Future

43:22 Podcast Appreciation and Future Plans

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In this episode, I welcome back Barbara Karnes to discuss the journey of transitioning from 'we' to 'me' after her husband Jack's death. 

Barbara shares heartfelt stories about her early days in hospice care, highlighting the value of understanding daily responsibilities and her experiences with end-of-life preparations, emphasizing the importance of discussing finances and duties early. 

We also discuss how death doulas play a role in modern hospice care, her thoughts on medical aid in dying, the creation of her widely beneficial booklets like 'Gone From My Sight,' and offers perspectives on educating families about the natural process of dying. 

This episode aims to open minds and demystify death, dying, and grief, encouraging listeners to prepare and embrace end-of-life conversations.

00:00 Introduction to End of Life Education

00:45 Guest Introduction: Barbara Carnes

01:35 Adjusting to Life After Loss

02:56 The Importance of Being Prepared

04:18 Challenges of Living Independently

07:10 Support Systems and Grief Counseling

08:54 End of Life Doulas and Hospice Care

13:31 Medical Aid in Dying: Perspectives and Ethics

00:00 Comparing Birth and Death

25:39 Contemplating Mortality and Legacy

27:12 Current Projects and Writing

28:07 The Importance of Food at End of Life

30:28 The Family Support Bundle

33:11 The Origin of 'Gone From My Sight'

36:11 Personal Stories and Impact

40:04 The Shift Back to Home Deaths

43:48 Resources and Contact Information

46:17 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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In this episode of 'Seeing Death Clearly,' host Jill McClennen, a death doula and funeral celebrant, welcomes Marni Blank, a former attorney turned entrepreneur and end-of-life doula. They discuss the emotional and logistical challenges families face regarding end-of-life planning. Marni shares her personal journey, including her mother's serious accident, which highlighted the importance of having essential paperwork in order. 

The conversation focuses on the significance of open discussions about end-of-life wishes, the role of a death doula, and practical advice for organizing important documents. They emphasize the importance of choosing the right people for roles like healthcare proxies and how preparation can provide peace of mind. Jill and Marni also address the common barriers and emotional reactions people have when discussing these topics and offer insights into facilitating these important conversations.

00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage

00:43 Meet Marni Blank: From Attorney to End-of-Life Doula

00:55 The Importance of End-of-Life Planning

02:44 Challenges and Realizations in End-of-Life Conversations

03:50 The Role and Impact of a Death Doula

04:25 Personal Stories and Experiences

08:09 Navigating Family Dynamics and Responsibilities

10:09 The Emotional and Practical Aspects of End-of-Life Decisions

37:21 The Role of Medical Professionals in End-of-Life Care

41:05 Marni's Business and Resources for End-of-Life Planning

44:10 Conclusion and Call to Action

Website: https://beginwiththeend.co/

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In this episode of Seeing Death Clearly, Dave Roberts talks about his journey navigating grief after the death of his daughter, Janine. Roberts, an addictions counselor and psychology professor, shares his perspectives on spirituality, the afterlife, and the different ways he and his wife coped with their loss while supporting each other. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining bonds with loved ones, embracing varying beliefs, and the role of community in healing. Roberts discusses how his experience has transformed his approach to living genuinely and offers tips for those dealing with loss. This insightful conversation sheds light on the intersection of grief, end-of-life planning, and the potential for spiritual growth through challenging experiences.

00:00 Introduction and Opening Thoughts

00:11 Welcome to Seeing Death Clearly

00:36 Guest Introduction: Dave Roberts

01:38 Dave's Background and Career

04:06 The Tragic Story of Janine

08:10 Coping with Grief and Loss

17:24 Supporting Each Other Through Grief

20:56 Living with the End in Mind

24:41 Choosing Our Path: Embracing Challenges and Legacy

25:33 Teaching About Death: Finding Joy and Responsibility

27:29 Death, Dying, and Bereavement

28:56 Integrating Science and Spirituality

31:15 Personal Transformations and Beliefs

41:03 Encouraging Critical Thinking and Respect

45:48 Conclusion and Contact Information

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In this special Thanksgiving episode, Jill McClennen discusses the complex emotions of gratitude and grief that many people experience during the holidays. Early in the morning, Jill felt a mix of thankfulness and sadness and realized that she was not alone in these feelings. Holidays often amplify what we're already feeling, creating a paradox of joy and sorrow, especially when dealing with the loss of loved ones, relationship issues, or even societal pressures. 

Jill emphasizes the importance of acknowledging grief instead of suppressing it. She recounts her personal experiences, including the loss of her grandmother and the challenges of maintaining holiday cheer amidst grief. Jill advises on setting boundaries, creating new rituals, and finding personal ways to cope, such as art and movement. 

She reminds listeners that it's okay to feel both gratitude and grief, and encourages them to reach out for support and to honor their complex feelings during the holiday season.

00:00 Introduction and Thanksgiving Reflections

00:50 Navigating Complex Emotions During Holidays

01:44 Societal Pressures and Isolation

02:24 Grief and Loss in Relationships

03:22 Anticipatory Grief and Global Concerns

04:16 Historical Context of Thanksgiving

05:43 Environmental Grief and Hope for the Future

06:49 The Empowered Grief Journey

08:29 Creating New Rituals and Setting Boundaries

13:37 Art as a Coping Mechanism

16:53 Final Thoughts and Support

18:09 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

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In this episode of Seeing Death Clearly, Jill McClennen sits down with Tolley Casparis, a death doula from Southern California, to explore the realities of supporting people at the end of life. They discuss the emotional challenges of caregiving, the importance of community, and how conscious preparation can create healing for both the dying and their loved ones. This conversation offers insight into the compassionate, yet often misunderstood, work of death doulas.

Tolley shares what it truly means to guide someone through their final days, addressing emotions that often go unnamed, such as anger, fear, and frustration. She emphasizes the power of holding space consistently and quietly, and how these small acts can profoundly impact both the person dying and their families. The discussion also covers the accessibility of quality end-of-life care, navigating medical aid in dying, and the delicate balance between volunteer and paid work in the field.

They explore the challenges around certification, the influence of social media on death doula work, and why ongoing learning and genuine community are essential for anyone supporting the dying. This episode provides an honest, grounded look at death doula work, conscious living, and supporting others with compassion and clarity.

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00:00 Introduction and Purpose

00:10 Welcome to Seeing Death

00:35 Guest Introduction: Tolley Casparis

01:01 The Realities of Death Doula Work

01:12 Challenges and Certifications

01:47 Personal Background of Tali Caspar

03:19 Balancing Paid and Volunteer Work

03:21 End of Life Care Plans

03:43 Dealing with Difficult Conversations

07:44 The Concept of a Good Death

17:47 Art and Grief

21:13 Certification Debate

24:19 The Challenge of Gaining Experience as a Death Doula

26:09 Heart-Centered Qualifications and Volunteering

26:56 The Debate on Charging for Services

29:08 Certification and Training Controversies

32:57 Marketing and Personal Branding

39:59 Navigating Client Relationships and Boundaries

44:46 Building Community and Setting Industry Standards

45:28 Conclusion and Call to Action

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Jonathan Foster joins the conversation to share the story behind Indigo, his book about the life and death of his daughter, Quincy. This episode explores how a parent’s grief can reshape faith, deepen compassion, and reveal new ways to heal and live consciously. It offers an honest look at love, loss, and the courage it takes to rebuild meaning after tragedy.

He explains how losing her forced him to rethink long-held beliefs about God, certainty, and what it means to love without conditions. Jonathan describes how this heartbreak challenged his theology but also opened space for a more expansive, healing understanding of love that is not limited by religious rules. He shares how nature, community, and honest conversations about death and dying helped him stay connected to his daughter’s legacy while learning to live with deep sorrow. Together, they reflect on the “sin of certainty,” the power of curiosity, and the importance of end-of-life awareness in shaping a more compassionate world.

Jonathan’s background spans decades of ministry, writing, and advocacy. He is a father of three, a former church planter, and a partner of one, with a doctorate in theology from Northwind Seminary. His work, including his leadership with lovehaiti.org and the co-founding of OpenTable.network, centers on love-driven community, inclusion, and human connection. His book Indigo: The Color of Grief has been praised by progressive Christian thinkers for its honest exploration of death, mourning, and healing. This conversation offers comfort, clarity, and a reminder that even in loss, beauty and meaning can still be found.

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00:00 Introduction: Exploring Life and Death

00:16 Meet the Host: Jill McClennan

00:41 Guest Introduction: Jonathan Foster

01:34 A Mother's Grief and Appreciation

03:03 The Meaning Behind 'Indigo'

05:06 Faith, Loss, and Transformation

09:57 Navigating Grief and Relationships

17:11 The Divine and Gender Perspectives

20:33 Balancing Masculine and Feminine Energies

22:51 Questioning Good and Bad

24:17 The Absurdity of Defining Good and Bad

26:39 Leaving Religion and Asking Questions

30:48 The Sin of Certainty

34:34 Understanding Sin and Love

37:15 Unconditional Love and Compassion

41:40 The Complexity of Love and Forgiveness

43:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode, our guest is Princella Seymour, a social worker with decades of experience in geriatrics and dementia care. Princella shares how she was called into elder care work, why early planning is essential, and what families often struggle with when a loved one is diagnosed with Alzheimer’s or another form of dementia. 

Together, they explore the emotional, financial, and logistical realities of caregiving, along with the federal and state resources that many people don’t know are available. Princella highlights the importance of honest conversations, clear planning, and making decisions before a crisis hits so families can focus on connection rather than chaos.

 Her new book, Everything You Need to Know About Me, inspired by the countless families she’s supported through painful, confusing decisions, is now available on Amazon.

As CEO of Complete Elder Solutions, she has guided thousands of families through the complexities of aging. 

00:00 Introduction to Seeing Death Clearly

00:43 Meet Prince Seymour: A Journey in Geriatric Social Work

02:07 Navigating Alzheimer's and Dementia Care

06:12 The Role of a Care Coach

08:01 Financial and Legal Planning for Elder Care

16:17 The Importance of Pre-Planning

19:21 Encouraging Conversations About End-of-Life Care

24:05 Navigating Family Conversations About End-of-Life Planning

24:51 The Importance of Written Wishes

25:17 Family Dynamics and Funeral Experiences

25:46 The Challenges of Caregiving

26:10 Making Tough Decisions in Crisis Situations

27:29 The Cost of Care and Financial Strain

28:13 Balancing Caregiving with Personal Responsibilities

29:33 Support Programs for Caregivers

31:18 The Value of Professional Guidance

40:35 Revisiting End-of-Life Plans Over Time

43:15 Conclusion and Resources

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In this episodeI talk with Kimberley Mead, a grief therapist who transitioned from a career in the arts at age 40. Kimberley  shares her journey into grief therapy and the development of her game, Morbid Curiosity, which has sparked transformative conversations about death. She discusses the importance of storytelling in grief therapy and how her game fosters deeper connections and meaningful conversations about mortality. 

The episode also highlights the profound impact of discussing death on personal relationships and societal attitudes towards grief. Jill and Kimberley  delve into the nuances of grief, the power of storytelling, and how addressing these themes can enrich our lives. 

The episode promises an insightful conversation that navigates grief with compassion and curiosity, encouraging listeners to explore conscious living and end-of-life planning. Tune in for a heartwarming and thought-provoking discussion about death, dying, and the legacy we leave behind.

00:00 Introduction to Seeing Death

00:36 Meet Kimberley Mead: From Arts to Grief Therapy

01:42 The Power of Storytelling in Grief Therapy

02:54 Personal Journeys and Career Changes

04:01 The Game of Morbid Curiosity

06:17 Understanding Grief and Pain

09:58 The Role of Pain in Healing

12:12 Engaging Conversations Through the Game

14:54 Creating Meaningful Connections

16:33 How the Game Works

24:08 Exploring Historical Perspectives on Privacy

24:56 Deep Conversations and Meaningful Connections

26:11 Embracing Death Positivity

27:47 Navigating Personal Loss and Memories

29:46 The Importance of Deep Friendships

31:09 Creating and Sharing the Morbid Curiosity Game

39:35 The Role of a Grief Therapist

41:48 Where to Find the Game and Workshops

44:13 Supporting the Podcast

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In this episode of the podcast 'Seeing Death Clearly,' host Jill McClennen talks to Jo Beth Polly about her experiences with infertility and the death of her husband from brain cancer. Jo Beth shares how these profound losses shaped her life and career in helping others navigate grief. 

They discuss the isolating nature of grief, the importance of genuine support, and how such intense experiences can lead to personal growth and a deeper understanding of what truly matters in life. Jo Beth emphasizes that while grief is incredibly challenging, there is always potential for joy and purpose to emerge from it. 

The conversation also touches on the importance of presence over busyness, particularly in parenting, and how society often misguides us. Together, they explore the idea that by acknowledging and working through grief, individuals can find a renewed sense of connection and purpose.

00:00 Introduction and Host's Perspective on Grief

01:30 Guest Introduction and Infertility Journey

02:33 Navigating Grief and Isolation

07:07 Therapy and Coping Mechanisms

10:09 Spirituality and Physical Impact of Grief

15:55 Living with Purpose and Presence

21:15 Reflecting on Life's Priorities

25:33 Discussing the Pressure of Youth Sports

26:51 Reflecting on the Impact of Over-Scheduling

28:36 COVID-19: A Forced Pause and Its Lessons

33:33 The Value of Happiness Over Achievement

38:49 Grief and Joy: Co-Authoring a Book

42:40 The Importance of Seeking Help

45:24 Closing Remarks and Support

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In this podcast episode, Janet Turkula and Ryan Olivera, the founders of Give Willow, a platform designed to support families during funeral planning by allowing the community to contribute financially. Janet shares her personal story of losing her father at 21 and the struggle her family faced with unexpected funeral expenses, which inspired her to create Give Willow. 

The platform works like a wedding registry, enabling families to list specific items needed for a funeral, making it easier for friends and family to offer meaningful support. Ryan, who specializes in tech startups, discusses his initial discomfort with the topic of death but explains how working with Janet and understanding her vision changed his perspective. 

They both aim to change societal attitudes towards death, making it a more open and community-supported process. The platform also provides resources to help with the often-overwhelming administrative tasks following a death. The episode emphasizes the importance of planning for end-of-life and reducing the stigma around discussing death.

• Janet's Personal Story and Inspiration
• The Birth of Give Willow
• Ryan's Journey and Partnership
• How Give Willow Works
• Future Goals and Vision
• The Cost of Dying and Unclaimed Bodies
• Personal Reflections on Death and Grief
• The Importance of Planning for Death
• Conversations with Children About Death
• Encouraging End-of-Life Planning
• Creating a Platform for End-of-Life Planning
• Changing the Stigma Around Death
• Celebration of Life vs. Traditional Funerals

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Funeral director and celebrant Allyse Worland shares how her lifelong passion for funeral service began with a personal tragedy and grew into a calling to help others through death, grief, and healing. With sixteen years of experience, she offers a unique look at what it means to care for both the living and the dead—bringing compassion, artistry, and education to end-of-life care. Her story sheds light on how funeral professionals are embracing change, from eco-friendly green burials to more meaningful, personalized celebrations of life.

Allyse has worked in funeral service since she was fifteen, growing up in a small town in Indiana where community and ritual shaped her values. Today, she is a licensed funeral director, embalmer, restorative artist, and educator who trains others in ethics, compliance, and compassion. She also serves as a funeral celebrant, helping families create personalized ceremonies that honor their loved ones without relying solely on traditional religion.

Her interest in restorative art began when, at nine years old, she saw a family member who had died by suicide and felt deep sadness at how unnatural he looked. That moment inspired her to learn the science and art of restoration, helping families remember their loved ones with dignity.

Allyse also advocates for green burial options and helps families explore “shades of green”—from natural cemeteries and biodegradable caskets to eco-friendly embalming fluids approved by the Green Burial Council. She believes education empowers families to make conscious, sustainable choices about death care.

As a mentor, Allyse encourages new funeral professionals to adapt to changing values around death, dying, and legacy. She teaches that understanding grief, reducing stigma around death by suicide, and celebrating life are essential to modern death care.

After years of nonstop dedication, Allyse now embraces self-care and balance, recognizing that caring for others begins with caring for herself. Her story reflects a powerful truth at the heart of death work: by facing death with love, we learn how to live more consciously.

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Funerals in the United States have become unaffordable for many families, often forcing them into debt, fundraising, or unwanted cremations. This episode features Cheri Wallace, who shares a powerful grassroots solution: cemetery societies. By returning to community-based traditions of shared land and collective care, she believes people can reclaim death care in a way that is affordable, sustainable, and rooted in dignity. The conversation highlights how death doulas, grief awareness, and green burial practices are reshaping how we plan for the end of life.

Cheri explains how personal loss and her sister’s struggles inspired her mission. After seeing her sister forced to turn to GoFundMe for burial expenses, Cheri began searching for a solution. Through prayer and research, she realized that communities once managed death care by pooling small contributions to purchase land and create burial grounds. Today, she is reviving this model through nonprofit cemetery societies. These groups form boards, adopt bylaws, and provide affordable burial options without the financial burden of traditional funeral homes.

Her work emphasizes conscious living and dying, as well as legacy planning. Each member can join with as little as $100, ensuring that no one is excluded from having a burial. The societies also embrace ecological responsibility by avoiding embalming, concrete vaults, and costly caskets. Families may choose self-directed funerals or bring in professionals, giving them freedom and flexibility.

Education plays a key role in Cheri’s vision. With support from the Green Burial Council and guidance from death doulas, societies learn how to operate responsibly and sustainably. Grants and petitions are helping expand the effort nationwide, to create 100 cemetery societies in 100 counties led by trained doulas.

This vision challenges the current funeral industry, which often prioritizes profit over people. By encouraging community, creativity, and healing, Cheri offers a way to honor loved ones while reducing financial strain. Instead of debt and stress, families can invest in meaningful memorials, gardens, or community spaces. It is a return to simple, compassionate death care that empowers individuals to reclaim their right to die with dignity.

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In this special episode of Seeing Death Clearly, Jill reflects on three years of deep conversations about death, dying, grief, and living fully. As the podcast enters its fourth year, Jill shares what she’s learned from her incredible guests — from Holocaust survivors to hospice workers, death doulas, authors, and more.

She talks about how the podcast has evolved, the lessons it’s taught her, and the moments that have touched her deeply. Jill shares stories that moved her, guests who changed her perspective, and the surprising ways this work has impacted her life.

This episode is a heartfelt thank-you to listeners and guests, and an invitation to be part of the journey ahead. Jill also shares ways you can support the podcast and invites you to connect, share ideas, and even suggest guests you’d love to hear again.

Whether you’ve been with the podcast since the beginning or are just discovering it now, this episode is a celebration of connection, curiosity, and courage.

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Grief can change the course of a life, and for Jason Tuttle, it became both a personal journey and a calling to help others. As a father and caregiver, he lived through the daily realities of hospital stays, medical decisions, and profound loss. After the death of his son in January 2022, Jason began to share his experiences with grief, end-of-life planning, and conscious living as a way to heal and to guide others through their own journeys.

Jason and his wife were in their twenties when their first son was born with Eagle-Barrett syndrome, a rare condition that required weeks in the NICU. Over time, both of their children developed severe developmental delays and epilepsy, and Jason became the full-time medical caregiver. He spent nearly every hospital day at their sides, balancing hope with the hard truths of illness. When his son died, grief came in waves of anger, isolation, and heartbreak. Therapy and journaling offered a way to process, and writing publicly helped him connect with others who felt the same.

Today Jason continues this work by creating resources, speaking about grief and dying, and sharing his perspective on legacy and healing. His journey shows how end-of-life care and death doula work are not only about preparing for death, but also about living with purpose and love. This conversation is an honest reflection on caregiving, conscious living, and the ways grief can shape a meaningful path forward.

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End-of-life doula Kasey March shares how personal loss and a background in guiding people through complex systems led her to death work. After experiencing the painful absence of support when her grandmother died in the ICU, she realized the importance of conscious planning, education, and compassionate guidance for both the dying and their loved ones. Her work centers on having conversations before a crisis arises, empowering families to make decisions grounded in values, legacy, and healing.

Kasey helps families navigate end-of-life care, plan legacy projects, and prepare for difficult decisions with compassion and clarity. She often supports clients through advance directives, hospice options, and even medical aid in dying, always centering the client’s wishes. Beyond one-on-one work, she educates communities about grief, dying, and medical decision-making, reminding people that preparation can prevent confusion and guilt later.

 For Kasey, a “well-supported death” means reducing burdens, opening space for connection, and helping families integrate grief without judgment. Through advocacy, education, and compassionate presence, she works to ensure that death, like birth, can be approached with dignity, choice, and love.

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October 27, 2025 at noon Kasey will be appearing on EXIT MATTERS, a live online series hosted by Patient Choices Vermont (PCV). How our final chapter unfolds depends upon the people, support, and choices that surround us.  Kasey's session will cover "What is a Death Doula?"

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In this episode, the guest shares her journey of living with Lewy body dementia, exploring how grief, acceptance, and conscious planning shape her approach to life and death. She reflects on the challenges of diagnosis, the impact on her independence, and the ways she finds healing while preparing her legacy for her family.

Growing up in Texas, she experienced loss early when her mother passed away right after high school, which eventually led her to move across the country before settling in Indiana. With a background in mental health and years as an EMT, she recognized the early signs of her condition and understood what the future might hold. For her, grief was not about having the disease but mourning the life she had imagined for herself, including the cultural and familial roles she hoped to embrace.

Her symptoms began subtly, with coordination and balance issues that affected walking, stairs, and driving. Initial medical visits were dismissive, attributing her symptoms to menopause or depression, until she finally found a neurologist who listened. Physical and occupational therapy helped her maintain mobility at home, while support from a Facebook community of women facing similar diagnoses provided vital emotional connection and guidance.

Therapy played a critical role in helping her re-accept her diagnosis as symptoms changed her daily life, from losing the ability to drive to needing a shower chair. Her past experiences with loss informed her approach to end-of-life planning: she has prepared documents and arrangements to reduce stress for her family. She even planned a joyful, personalized living funeral. Through this, she embraces death with humor, love, and intentionality, seeking to create healing, connection, and a lasting legacy while living consciously to the fullest.

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 In this episode, AJ Coleman shares his journey of losing his wife to brain cancer, raising their daughter as a single father, and finding healing through grief, storytelling, and conscious living. 

AJ Coleman, author  of Keep Those Feet Moving, became a widower at 33 when his wife died of brain cancer, leaving him to raise their 16-month-old daughter. He described those first months as a blur of grief, survival, and determination to honor his wife’s wishes while staying strong for his child. Though others expected him to fall apart, AJ chose to focus on love, healing, and creating memories that would keep his wife’s presence alive for their daughter.

As a single father, he learned the everyday struggles of parenting—figuring out how to dress his daughter, balancing work, and managing grief. Yet he discovered strength in their bond, leaning on his daughter as much as she leaned on him. Over the years, he kept her mother’s memory alive through photos, stories, and humor, recognizing that grief is not only about loss but also about preserving love and legacy.

AJ’s journey highlights the realities of anticipatory grief, the importance of end-of-life planning, and the unexpected ways healing unfolds. Writing his book became a form of therapy, helping him process loss while offering hope to others navigating death, grief, or setbacks. His story reminds us that while family and friends can support us, true healing comes from within through resilience, openness, and conscious living. For him, carrying on his wife’s legacy is not just about remembrance, but about choosing to live fully, despite loss.

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This episode explores how writing, grief, and spiritual connection can help us process loss and live more consciously. Poet and author Cyra Dumitru shares her journey of losing her brother David to suicide, and how poetry became a vital tool for healing, end-of-life reflection, and honoring his legacy. Her story shows how creative expression can help us face trauma, navigate grief, and discover meaning after loss.

Cyra grew up in a family that cherished language. Her parents filled her childhood with stories, poems, and the beauty of words. She discovered early that writing could make imagination real, like the first time she wrote about a bird and felt its presence in the room. This love of language grew into a lifelong practice of poetry, journaling, and honoring the power of imagination.

When her brother David died by suicide, Cyra was only sixteen. She witnessed his final moments and carried the trauma and regret for years. Poetry became her lifeline, giving her a way to process the physical, emotional, and spiritual weight of that loss. Over time, she began to feel David’s presence in dreams and memories, not as “her brother who died,” but as a loving spirit who continued to walk beside her.

Through decades of writing, revising, and reflection, Cyra created a book that blends poetry, memory, and healing. She believes that writing allows grief to move through the body, opening space for discernment, connection, and even joy. Journaling, especially noticing small daily beauties, became a grounding practice that helped her reclaim inner balance.

Her work highlights how creative expression, end-of-life reflection, and conscious living help us carry grief, honor legacy, and move toward healing.

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What happens when a childhood fear of death transforms into a lifelong calling? Funeral director Tasha Dugan, who works at the historic Laurel Hill Cemetery in Philadelphia, shares her powerful journey from being a frightened child at funerals to guiding families through grief, legacy, and healing. Her story shows how facing death directly can open doors to conscious living, spiritual growth, and death positivity.

Tasha was born in South Philadelphia and raised partly in North Carolina before returning at age seven. Inspired by her aunt, who worked for the medical examiner’s office, she grew fascinated with the stories behind every death. That curiosity led her to work as an autopsy technician at Temple Hospital and eventually to become a funeral director, a role she has embraced for more than 15 years. Today, she finds joy in helping families participate in rituals such as green burials and hands-on care, creating profound opportunities for healing and closure.

Her journey has also been deeply spiritual. Once afraid of dying, she now embraces it as part of life’s cycle and helps others do the same. She advocates for sustainable practices like aquamation and natural burial, honoring both loved ones and the earth. Her most meaningful moments come when she sees a grieving family move from pain to peace, knowing their loved one has been honored with compassion and dignity.

Laurel Hill itself has a rich history. Founded in 1836, it was a leader in America’s rural cemetery movement, designed by Scottish-born architect John Notman as both a burial ground and a landscaped arboretum along the Schuylkill River. Families once hired renowned sculptors to craft elaborate monuments, turning the site into one of Philadelphia’s first cultural attractions. Today, Laurel Hill East and West span 265 acres of gardens, art, and history, serving as both sacred ground and a public space for remembrance, reflection, and education.

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Lisa Cox has spent her life as a teacher, guiding people through different stages of learning and growth. Now, as a death doula and shamanic practitioner, she helps individuals and families navigate the profound transition of dying. Her work blends practical support, like completing advance healthcare directives and organizing end-of-life documents, with emotional and spiritual guidance. Lisa emphasizes that dying is a deeply personal experience, and every doula brings unique skills, whether that’s bedside vigil, family mediation, or helping clients prepare in advance.

Through her monthly online Death Cafes with Morbid Anatomy, Lisa creates safe spaces for open conversations about death, grief, and legacy. She has seen firsthand how important it is for people to address end-of-life plans early, noting that hospice care not only improves quality of life but can also extend it when started sooner.

Lisa also speaks about the importance of conscious living, feeding the soul through meaningful experiences, nature, creativity, and connection. She challenges the idea of postponing joy until retirement, urging people to live richly now, regardless of age or health. Her message is clear: planning for death is not just about preparing for the end, it’s about learning to live more fully in the present, so that when the final transition comes, it can be met with peace, dignity, and love.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Aaron Pyne, a meditation teacher, digital artist, and the creator of Inner Realms Journey. This imaginative and mythically inspired guided meditation experience helps people of all ages explore their inner world. Aaron blends ancient traditions, storytelling, and spiritual tools to support people in navigating life, death, and everything in between.

Aaron shares how his early fascination with mythology led him into meditation and spirituality, and how over time he integrated those passions with his skills in art and technology. The result is Inner Realms Journey, a platform offering more than 80 immersive audio meditations that guide users through magical landscapes, help them discover their unique avatars, and create deeply personal sanctuary spaces.

What began as a personal creative project evolved into something much bigger, one that’s now being used in children's hospitals to support kids facing terminal illness. These guided meditations help young people process fear, anxiety, and uncertainty, while also giving them a way to create a legacy project: a story, map, or vision of where they’ll go after death. Families can then use the same tools to continue connecting with their loved one even after they’ve passed.

Aaron also speaks about spiritual dimensions, ancestral connection, and the energetic aspects of dying that are often overlooked in modern Western culture. He shares how imagination and myth can be healing tools, offering comfort, wonder, and even excitement about what comes next.

Whether you’re a caregiver, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone curious about what lies beyond this life, Aaron’s work invites you to see the dying process through a magical and empowering lens. This conversation is filled with beauty, depth, and a refreshing approach to death that honors both mystery and imagination.

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Elizabeth Wood, a sociologist who studied gender and sexuality, found her focus shifting when her mother was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 2009 and later terminal cancer in 2012. Watching her mother’s final months opened her eyes to the ways our healthcare system avoids death and how families often do the same. This deeply personal experience led Elizabeth to explore death work from a more practical and emotional place, beyond academic research.

Her mother’s story was unique. After a life of unfulfilling relationships, she discovered her identity as a sexual dominant in her late 50s. Those years, especially during peritoneal dialysis, were surprisingly freeing and fulfilling for her. She even began writing about her experience for an online sex magazine, opening a window into the joy she found in reclaiming her sexuality.

Though mother and daughter always spoke openly about sex, they struggled to talk about death. Elizabeth’s mom often received mixed messages from her medical team, with some doctors avoiding end-of-life discussions and others trying to prepare her.  Even as her health declined, she never verbally acknowledged that she was dying, though Elizabeth later found journal entries that hinted at her quiet attempts to say goodbye.

The experience revealed how little space there is in medicine to talk about both death and sexuality.  Despite being open in many parts of her life, her mother feared judgment and avoided sharing her identity with healthcare providers. Elizabeth believes this silence, rooted in stigma and power dynamics, leads people to miss out on important support and care.

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Bound: A Daughter, a Domme, and an End-of-Life Story - https://www.amazon.com/Bound-Daughter-Domme-End-Life/dp/1631526308

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Ed Bixby shares his journey from real estate developer to national leader in the green burial movement. After inheriting Steelmantown Cemetery, a family burial ground in New Jersey dating back to the 1700s, Ed shifted his focus toward more natural and sustainable ways of honoring death. His love for the land, history, and simple living helped shape a new approach to dying, one that respects nature, supports families, and celebrates each person’s legacy.

In this episode, Ed explains how natural burial aligns with conscious living and deep healing. He contrasts traditional burial practices with green alternatives, highlighting how natural cemeteries require fewer resources and allow the environment to thrive. He also shares how COVID-19 led more people to ask deeper questions about end-of-life choices. 

Now, many are rethinking cremation and traditional funerals in favor of legacy trees, simple burials, and authentic connection to nature. Ed’s story offers hope and practical insight for a more grounded, compassionate future of death care.

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Meghan J. Maher, a death doula based in Central Florida, shares how the loss of her mother led her to this meaningful work. After experiencing grief firsthand, Megan began volunteering with a local hospice and discovered what end-of-life doulas do. The connection was instant she knew this path was right for her. Now, she helps families navigate the dying process with emotional, spiritual, and practical support.

Megan reflects on how our society often avoids talking about death. Most people have never witnessed someone dying, which leads to fear, denial, and uncertainty. She believes we need to return to being a village, offering support not only to those at the end of life but also to their caregivers, families, and communities. She talks about how nature’s cycles can help us feel more connected and grounded, even during hard times.

Megan emphasizes that doula work doesn’t have to become a business. It’s enough to gain skills and offer support informally within families, neighborhoods, and friend circles. The work matters even if it’s done quietly and without pay. She also explains the difference between hospice and doula care, noting that doulas often have the gift of time and can support families long before hospice becomes available.

As someone caring for young children while supporting aging parents, Megan understands the pressure on the “sandwich generation.” She urges people to ask for help and to offer help in creative ways like spending time with a caregiver’s kids or running errands. Small actions make a big impact. When we stop pretending we’re okay doing it all alone, we open the door to true connection, healing, and care at the end of life.

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What if dying could be more peaceful, intentional, and healing for both the living and the dying? In this powerful conversation, healer and death priestess Cristabeth Ingold shares how her soul’s calling guides her to support individuals and families through death, grief, and spiritual healing. Her work spans the physical and energetic realms, blending bodywork, astrology, ancestral healing, and soul-guided practices to help people face the end of life with clarity and peace.

Christabeth works closely with the dying and their loved ones, offering bedside support and spiritual guidance as souls prepare to transition. She combines tools like Akashic records, oracle cards, energy medicine, and traditional Hawaiian Lomi Lomi massage to bring comfort and clarity during life’s most sacred thresholds. Her journey began early in life, feeling called to this path through personal experiences of death and loss. As a death doula and spiritual practitioner, she now helps others heal grief, explore forgiveness, and reconnect with ancestral wisdom.

Christabeth also speaks about breaking down the cultural and patriarchal systems that distance us from death, calling instead for a return to ritual, ceremony, and conscious living. Through her work, she invites us to examine how we carry emotional pain and how unprocessed grief can impact our physical health. Whether guiding souls to the other side or helping the living reflect on their legacy, Christabeth reminds us that healing is always possible and that we can always begin again, even in our final breaths.

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In this moving conversation, Deborah Charman and Brian Wardale share their powerful personal journeys through grief, caregiving, and healing, and how those experiences inspired their work in suicide prevention and emotional education. Both survivors of deep loss and personal struggles, they now use their stories to help young people navigate grief, end-of-life challenges, and the difficult emotions that can come with living and dying.

Brian, after his father’s stroke, stepped up to care for his mother until she was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Losing his role as caregiver sent Brian into a spiral of depression, eventually leading to a life-altering suicide attempt that resulted in the amputation of his leg. Through that pain, he found a new purpose by sharing his story and helping others.

Deborah worked as a healthcare aide, caring for elderly patients who often struggled with the emotional weight of aging and dying. She used compassion and deep listening to help them find meaning in their final years. Having survived her own suicide attempt decades earlier, Deborah brings personal insight to their mission of guiding others through emotional struggles.

Together, Brian and Deborah developed an educational program for young people, focusing on conscious living, emotional resilience, and making good choices in difficult moments. Their framework teaches kids to understand their feelings, process grief, and build hope for the future. By sharing their experiences with death, dying, and healing, they help others move from despair to meaning, offering a message of hope for anyone facing life’s hardest challenges.

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In this heartfelt episode, Daryl McCullough shares how childhood grief led him to create a story that now helps others navigate death, loss, and healing. What started as a middle school writing assignment after the death of his cousin became a lifelong journey of finding meaning in grief and honoring loved ones through storytelling. His children’s book, The Story of Tree and Cloud, began as a crayon-illustrated parable about connection and the enduring nature of spirit, written in the wake of that early loss.

Years later, when Daryl’s mother was dying of cancer, he found that very book carefully saved by her, a reminder of their shared love and the deeper threads of life, death, and legacy. That moment inspired him to turn his childhood story into a published book, beautifully illustrated by his aunt, to help children and adults alike process death in a gentle, natural way. Set in California’s oak trees and infused with universal spiritual ideas, the story reflects Daryl’s belief that life continues beyond physical form, whether through nature, memory, or something greater than ourselves.

Daryl speaks openly about caring for his mother through hospice, the power of legacy, and the healing that comes from making meaning out of grief. His second book, Chubby the Bear’s Big Choice, explores bullying, friendship, and self-worth—again using storytelling as a tool for conscious living and emotional healing. For Daryl, writing children’s books is not just about entertainment—it’s about helping people of all ages sit with life’s hardest moments and offering hope that we are never truly alone.

From working through childhood loss to donating his books to nursing homes and schools, Daryl’s mission is clear: to use art and story as a bridge between grief and growth. Through conscious living, love of nature, and honoring family legacy, he’s offering a path toward healing for anyone navigating the journey of life and death.

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For over 25 years, Caroline has walked beside the dying and their families, offering support, stories, and sacred presence. Her work as a death doula and funeral celebrant has brought her into homes, long-term care facilities, and sacred circles, where she’s helped others navigate grief and end-of-life transitions with honesty, humanity, and compassion.

Caroline’s journey began as a volunteer, eventually leading her into long-term care where she found her calling—sitting with people at the end of their lives and learning from their stories. She described the deep spiritual moments that arise when sitting quietly with someone near death, where small miracles and lessons in compassion reveal themselves. Over the years, she’s supported grieving families, helped children understand death, and made space for people to feel and express the messy emotions that loss brings.

She shared that many people today don’t follow one faith but instead build a patchwork of beliefs. However, when death nears, fear often rises because the topic hasn’t been discussed. Caroline believes these conversations matter. She even normalized them in her own family by talking openly about funerals during car rides and creating playlists with her children for their future services.

In her work, Caroline has learned to hold space for both deep sadness and lightness. Sometimes, her goal during a funeral is simply to get someone to laugh. She’s also created rituals like “ice catchers,” made from frozen petals, seeds, and fruit, which families hang on trails as an act of remembrance and quiet healing. Whether she's singing hymns or playing rap music requested by the deceased, she meets each moment with authenticity and reverence.

Caroline’s work reminds us that grief is muddy but not hopeless, and that legacy, love, and laughter can walk beside sorrow.

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When we think about end-of-life, we rarely think about archivists, but maybe we should. Emily Cabaniss, a Seattle-based archivist, shares how her work preserving the personal records of the deceased offers profound insight into grief, legacy, and dying. Her reflections reveal how archivists often act as invisible companions to the dead, holding space for stories left behind.

As an archivist in the Pacific Northwest, Emily works with unique historical records, from personal letters to business documents, textiles, and audio recordings. Her job involves preserving these items and making them accessible, ensuring the legacies of individuals and communities are not lost to time. She explains that an archive is not just a storage room but a program focused on the care, description, and access of primary sources. Emily shares how deeply relational this work can be, especially since most of the people she interacts with through the records are deceased.

She reflects on the emotional and ethical complexities of handling someone’s personal materials after they’ve died. From diary entries to correspondence, archivists like Emily witness the private lives of people who will never know they’re being seen. This creates a unique form of grief, parasocial connections to those long gone, where the archivist feels close to a person whose descendants will never know them.

Her experiences working with homicide files also highlighted the troubling ways society views death, particularly the objectification of victims. It made her more aware of how records contribute to someone’s legacy and how archivists play a crucial role in shaping how that legacy is remembered.

Emily’s story is a powerful reminder that healing, grief, and conscious living extend far beyond immediate end-of-life care. The work of archivists intersects with death care in unexpected ways, holding sacred space for memory, identity, and humanity.

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Dr. Marc Cooper is the founder of The Contemporary Elder Institute and author of the book  Older to Elder: The Thinking and Being of a Contemporary Elder

In this episode, he shares how embracing growing older can lead to wisdom, freedom, and profound healing. In this powerful conversation, he explains the difference between simply aging and stepping into elderhood, a role that brings meaning, spiritual growth, and legacy.

At nearly 80 years old, Dr. Cooper calls himself an “Elder for Our Times.” He believes that talking openly about death helps people live more fully. From his viewpoint as an elder, he sees a growing shift in awareness about dying, grief, and end-of-life planning. Instead of fearing aging or death, he encourages others to use these natural processes to deepen their understanding of life.

He reflects on how growing older gives people the chance to let go of the past, make new choices, and develop a new sense of purpose. Unlike being “older,” which society often sees as useless or in decline, being an “elder” means offering wisdom, holding space for others, and guiding with compassion. Elders, he says, have earned the right to speak freely, think deeply, and live authentically, without worrying what others think.

In cultures that honor their elders, aging is viewed as a valuable asset. But in today’s society, aging is often hidden or feared. Dr. Cooper explains that this fear comes from a culture focused on staying young and making money. He challenges that mindset, teaching that death is not the enemy, it’s a powerful teacher. When we face death, we become more alive. We learn to let go, love more deeply, and focus on what really matters.

He ends with a reflection on legacy. He invites others to imagine what they would write on their tombstone and live today with that in mind. Dr. Cooper now teaches others how to become elders, helping them use death and aging as tools for conscious living and healing.

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This episode shares the powerful story of Diane Cordell, a woman whose entire life has been shaped by the presence of death, and her commitment to helping others understand and cope with it. From growing up in a family where death was never a taboo topic to serving in the Air Force and later becoming a trailblazing detective sergeant in the Camden County Prosecutor’s Office, Diane’s journey is deeply connected to grief, trauma, and healing.

Diane was introduced to death early in life, her grandfather and father were both morticians, so conversations about loss were natural in her home. After serving in the Vietnam-era U.S. Air Force, she entered law enforcement, where she worked for 27 years. Her time in homicide shaped her deeply, as she handled some of the most painful aspects of death, including sudden loss, suicides, and the task of notifying families. She was one of the first women in her office and helped build systems of support and crisis management, all while staying grounded in compassion and fairness.

Her stories reflect the reality of how death affects families, how closure brings healing, and how important it is to talk about death honestly. Diane’s reflections are not only a tribute to her career but also a reminder of the emotional labor behind this kind of work. Diane’s wisdom is a gift. Her story encourages listeners to embrace the truth that death is a part of life and that healing often begins with a conversation.

To learn more about death doula work, grief, or end-of-life planning, visit Jill McClennen’s website or listen to more episodes of Seeing Death Clearly.

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Matt Jacobson shares the story of how losing his father changed the course of his life and inspired a deeper connection to legacy, grief, and purpose. This episode is a heartfelt reflection on fatherhood, the impact of grief, and how honoring a loved one can lead to unexpected healing and direction.

Matt grew up in Temecula, California, and was studying finance at San Diego State when he received the devastating call that his father had died. He left his plans behind and returned home to take over the family’s mattress store, an unexpected path that placed him squarely in his father’s shoes. As he ran the business, memories of his dad flooded back, especially their early morning conversations and the life lessons tucked into everyday moments. His dad had been a single father raising three boys, encouraging learning through reading and sparking Matt’s entrepreneurial spirit in creative ways, like hiding pizza money in exchange for reading assignments.

Grief gave Matt a new lens on life. He began thinking more about legacy and how quickly someone’s story can fade unless it’s captured. His father's quiet wisdom, deep respect for education, and stoic leadership had shaped Matt's values. Though his father rarely raised his voice, his words held lasting power. Matt recalls their last hike together before studying abroad, unaware that it would be one of their final moments together. His father had hidden the return of his cancer—a selfless act so Matt wouldn’t worry. Just weeks later, Matt got the call: his father was gone.

This conversation touches on grief, healing, the transition of roles after death, and how we honor those we’ve lost. It’s significant for anyone interested in death doula work, end-of-life planning, or creating legacy projects for loved ones.

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In this episode, Jill talks with her real-life friend Morgan Everitt, a death doula based in Bucks County, PA. Morgan shares how her journey began after her mom got sick in 2015. She came home to care for her, and after her mom passed in 2016, she had a powerful moment in 2017 when she overheard someone mention the word "death doula." It felt like a lightning bolt—she knew that was her calling. She started training in 2018 and has been slowly building her private practice, Heron’s Flight, over the past few years.

We talk about the important role death doulas play in end-of-life care. Morgan deeply respects hospice and palliative care and believes doulas help fill in the gaps, not compete with them. There can be tension between providers, especially in a field where most workers are women, but she emphasizes the power of collaboration. Everyone has the same goal: helping people and families have a better end-of-life experience.

Morgan shares how rewarding it is to work with clients over time, building relationships and planning ahead. That long-term support makes a big difference when the time comes. She also explains that being a death doula isn’t always easy. It can take time to make a living doing this work, and it involves much more than just sitting with people—there’s also paperwork, networking, and ongoing education.

We talk about the business side of this work—figuring out how to charge for our time. Both of us offer hourly rates or packages with payment plans to keep services accessible. We also discuss the struggle of getting people to value this kind of care. Many expect it to be free, especially when some offer it as volunteer work, which can make things harder for doulas trying to earn a living. Morgan reminds us that this work is valuable, and just like anyone else, we have bills to pay and families to support.

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Tony Stewart joined the podcast to share his powerful story about love, loss, and healing after the death of his wife, Lynn. In his new book, Carrying the Tiger: Living with Cancer, Dying with Grace, Finding Joy While Grieving, Tony tells the story of Lynn’s sudden cancer diagnosis, their emotional journey through treatment, and the deep lessons they learned about life, love, and letting go. After Lynn’s death, Tony faced overwhelming grief, but over time, he found a way to live again and even to welcome new love into his life.

He shared how their world changed overnight when Lynn was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. Through clinical trials, hospital stays, and hard choices, they carved out several more meaningful years together. One of the most touching parts of Tony’s story is the two final weeks they spent together in home hospice, which he describes as some of the most sacred and beautiful days of his life.

Throughout the journey, Tony kept an online journal on CaringBridge.org, writing updates for friends and family. Over time, these posts grew into deep reflections about love, grief, and resilience. After Lynn’s death, friends encouraged him to turn his writing into a book. Carrying the Tiger brings together those raw and honest stories, offering a heartfelt look at grief and the surprising truth that sorrow and joy can live side by side.

Tony also spoke about his life before and after Lynn, his creative work, and how building a new relationship while grieving taught him that healing doesn’t mean forgetting. 

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Jen Riggs shared her powerful journey of finding her true calling, supporting seniors and especially those living with dementia. After spending years as a stay-at-home mom, she pursued a career in commercial baking, only to have a major back injury end that chapter. What felt like a loss at the time became a turning point. Her cousin, a nurse at an assisted living facility, encouraged her to apply for a front desk position—and that’s where everything changed.

Jen immediately fell in love with the residents, their families, and the entire community. She found herself especially drawn to those living with dementia. These moments inspired Jen to learn more. She became a Certified Dementia Practitioner, facilitated support groups, and embraced the teachings of dementia care expert Teepa Snow.

Jen also opened up about her personal experience with her father, a brilliant man whose biggest fear, losing his cognitive abilities, came true. After years of estrangement, they reconnected just as he began showing signs of dementia. She described the heartbreak and challenges of navigating his care, but also the beauty and connection they found together. This experience solidified her purpose: to help families through these overwhelming experiences.

Now working with Dementia Family Support, Jen offers education, family counseling, and helps facilities build supportive dementia care cultures. Her message is clear: no one should go through this alone. Dementia doesn’t just affect one person; it impacts the whole family. 

Jen encourages caregivers to ask for help, build a village of support, and know that it’s okay to struggle. Through her work, she helps others find strength, connection, and dignity in one of life’s hardest journeys.

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In this episode, I talk with Lowrey Brown and Brian Ruder from the Final Exit Network, a nonprofit organization that supports people who want more control over their end-of-life choices. Lowrey, the Exit Guide Program Director, grew up in a family where open conversations about death and the importance of quality of life were normal. She signed her first advance directive at 16 and has spent her life exploring how people can shape their own dying process, especially after seeing loved ones experience long, painful declines due to dementia.

Brian, president of the Board and a former exit guide, shares his personal story as someone who values independence and doesn’t want to suffer unnecessarily. Inspired by his mother’s end-of-life choices, Brian became involved in Final Exit to help others have more options outside the traditional medical system.

The conversation explores how Final Exit Network helps people who don’t qualify for medical aid in dying, including those with early-stage dementia or serious neurological conditions. Unlike medical systems that require a six-month terminal diagnosis, Final Exit provides education and guidance for those who want peaceful options on their own terms, legally, safely, and outside of state restrictions.

They also talk about the challenges of preparing families for this path, how social norms often don’t align with self-directed dying, and the emotional weight placed on caregivers. Final Exit exit guides support clients through every step—planning, preparation, timing, and after-death logistics—similar to what a death doula provides.

The episode ends with an honest look at legal issues, including how laws often treat all self-chosen deaths the same, regardless of context, and how Final Exit protects its work through the First Amendment by offering information, not physical help.

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Rosalia Quintana, a nurse practitioner, has built a career in healthcare while also running a private practice focused on breathwork, psychedelic integration, and trauma transformation. In this conversation, she opens up about her struggles, including reaching the peak of her career in 2018, only to feel an overwhelming sense of emptiness and depression. Despite having everything she thought she wanted, she found herself questioning the purpose of life. She candidly discusses experiencing suicidal thoughts and the difficulty of seeing any light at the end of the tunnel. Knowing she had to find a way forward, she began searching for deeper meaning through various healing modalities, including breathwork, somatic practices, energy work, and even exploring different spiritual traditions.

The turning point came in 2022 when she had a near-death experience that completely shifted her perspective. She describes the terrifying moment of being outside her body, unable to connect with it, and the fear that overtook her. In this altered state, she was confronted with deep-seated fears, guilt, and shame, which manifested as dark, monstrous visions. She fought through these overwhelming experiences, ultimately realizing that the harshest judgment came from within herself. In her most desperate moment, she turned to prayer, calling out to God for help. What happened next changed everything.

Now, she approaches life with deep gratitude, even in the face of continued challenges. She shares the tools that help her navigate difficulties, from journaling and meditation to creative expression and movement. Her story serves as a powerful reminder that healing is an ongoing journey, and the tools we gather can help us face whatever comes next.

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Chris Mamone is an acceptance coach who helps people heal from grief, loss, and trauma so they can find self-acceptance and step into their power. His journey began with profound personal losses that reshaped his life and perspective.

In 2020, he experienced the death of his grandfather, and just two years later, after struggling with infertility for 12 years, he and his wife were thrilled to be expecting their first child. Tragically, their son was stillborn just one day before his due date. The weight of these losses was immense, and he had to make a choice—let grief consume him or find meaning and purpose in the pain.

Through his journey, he discovered that grief, loss, and trauma are rarely discussed openly in society. Many people told him to “move on” or “let it go,” but he realized that grief doesn’t work that way. Instead, he learned that moving forward is the key, not forgetting or suppressing emotions, but carrying them in a way that allows growth and healing. Grief becomes a lifelong companion, and when we find the lessons and blessings within it, we evolve into better versions of ourselves.

He has worked with people grieving lost children, family members, and even those struggling with traumatic, unexpected deaths. Grief often feels like slamming on the brakes while speeding down the highway—it forces a full stop, demanding us to process emotions we might otherwise ignore.

Acceptance is not about liking or agreeing with a loss, but acknowledging it as reality. Once we accept what has happened, we regain personal power and can make choices about how to move forward. 

Through grief, he realized that much of what people stress about daily is insignificant. Major losses shift priorities, showing what truly matters. Losing his son, while incredibly painful, gave him this gift of perspective. He calls it the “gift of shitty wrapping paper”—something he would never wish for but ultimately changed his life. Every day, he continues to learn and practice acceptance, especially during difficult moments like his son’s birthday or the holidays.

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Jessica Fein shares her deeply personal journey of loss, grief, and resilience. Having lost two sisters, three parents, and most recently, her teenage daughter Dahlia—who passed away one week after her 17th birthday—Jessica's life has been profoundly shaped by death. Her memoir, which explores Dahlia’s life and the journey of moving forward together, has become a key part of her work in writing about grief.

Society widely acknowledges the devastation of losing a child, but the grief of siblings, who lose their lifelong companions and history keepers, is sometimes unrecognized. She discusses how children not only mourn their sibling but also experience the additional pain of witnessing their parents' grief, often feeling invisible in the process.

Jessica speaks about how the trauma of a long-term illness shaped their family. Dahlia lived with a degenerative disease from age five, creating an ongoing cycle of anticipatory and ambiguous grief. She explains ambiguous grief as mourning someone who is still alive but profoundly changed—whether due to illness, addiction, or other circumstances. This concept helped her make sense of the loss she experienced over time as Dahlia lost the ability to walk, talk, and even breathe without assistance. It also highlighted the loss of normalcy and community, isolating their family in ways few can understand.

She also touches on the impact of grief on relationships, acknowledging that 87% of marriages dissolve when a child has special needs, let alone a terminal illness. She and her husband grieve differently—she finds healing in open conversations, while he prefers silence. Understanding these differences has helped them navigate their loss together rather than apart.

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Katina Jones, known as the Purple Priestess, is a reverend with a deep love for the color purple, which she sees as a symbol of spirituality and healing. Everything changed after her mother passed away from ovarian cancer in 1988. At just 22, she had no guidebook on how to navigate such a loss. This left her searching for meaning and understanding.

To reconnect with her mother, she wrote a letter expressing her fear of not knowing where she had gone. That night, she had a vivid visitation dream—everything bathed in white except for the daiquiris they shared, just like on her 21st birthday. Though silent, the dream carried deep emotion, reassuring her that her mother was at peace. This experience shaped her belief in spiritual connections.

Years later, while working as a journalist, she attended a psychic fair and met Reverend Patricia, a psychic medium. That encounter deepened her journey into metaphysical studies. Over time, she received more signs, including dreams urging her to be present for those at the end of life. Despite the challenge of balancing work and raising children, she eventually trained as a hospice volunteer, dedicating over 100 hours to supporting patients and their families.

Last year, she launched the Purple Priestess, combining years of spiritual studies and personal experiences to help others navigate death and healing. Her mission is to be an advocate, guiding people through the process so they don’t have to face it alone. She believes everyone can honor their loved ones in their own way—whether through a dedicated space in their home, a simple remembrance rock, or personal rituals. There are no rules when it comes to grief and remembrance.

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In this episode, I welcome back Hospice Chaplain Hank Dunn.  We dive into a crucial yet often misunderstood topic—artificial hydration, nutrition, and voluntary stopping of eating and drinking (VSED) at the end of life. We explore how feeding tubes work, when they are beneficial, and when they may prolong suffering. Hank shares stories of patients who regained the ability to eat, those who lived independently with feeding tubes, and others in vegetative states where continued artificial nutrition raised ethical concerns. He also touches on the history of feeding tubes, advancements in medicine, and how pop culture—like Grey’s Anatomy—portrays these issues.

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Article on “Minimal Comfort Feeding”https://www.jpsmjournal.com/article/S0885-3924(24)01116-3/fulltext

The “dementia” advance directive from End of Life Choices New York: https://endoflifechoicesny.org/directives/dementia-directive/

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Voluntarily Stopping Eating and Drinking: A Compassionate, Widely-Available Option for Hastening Deathamazon.com

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Sandra Doyle, author of My Life at the Cemetery: It's Not as Dead as You Think, shares fascinating and unexpected stories from her years working in a cemetery. Her book features 88 captivating tales, ranging from heartwarming to shocking, each offering a glimpse into the lives and emotions of those left behind. Whether readers laugh, cry, or shake their heads in disbelief, every story provides a unique perspective on life, death, and everything in between.

While revisiting old notes and obituary records, Sandra realized she had a wealth of stories that needed to be told. A firm believer that every life has a story, she carefully changed names to protect privacy while ensuring the events remained true to life.

For Sandra, working at the cemetery was more than a job—it was a calling. She witnessed raw human emotions, from deep grief and enduring love to family conflicts so intense that law enforcement sometimes had to step in. Other stories were just as surprising in their own way.

Through it all, she emphasizes that while bodies may rest in cemeteries, the spirits of the departed remain connected to their loved ones. Sandra firmly believes in the presence of the spirit world, sharing accounts of widows sensing their late spouses or receiving messages in dreams. Her own experiences after losing her husband only strengthened her conviction that love transcends death.

In her interview, Sandra captures the beauty, chaos, and unexpected moments of life in a cemetery, reminding us that even in death, life’s stories continue to unfold.

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In this episode, Annie Sklaver Orenstein shares her personal journey of grief after losing her brother, Ben, in Afghanistan 15 years ago. After his death, Annie found little support for siblings, so she wrote Always a Sibling: The Forgotten Mourner's Guide to Grief, a book addressing the unique pain of losing a sibling. She discusses how there were no resources that resonated with her—most grief books focus on parents, spouses, or children, not siblings. As she researched and interviewed other bereaved siblings, she discovered patterns in their experiences that mirrored her own.

Annie talks about how, in the immediate aftermath of Ben's death, her parents were devastated, and she was left trying to navigate her grief while supporting them. She recalls a deeply moving moment when soldiers arrived to inform her mother of Ben’s death. The soldiers sat quietly with her mother in the kitchen, offering her their presence, which Annie believes was an act of deep compassion.

Through her research, Annie found that surviving siblings often feel invisible in the grieving process. Many try to protect their parents from additional pain by hiding their own sorrow. This dynamic creates a gap where siblings bottle up their grief, leading to long-term emotional strain. Annie’s work also reveals that society often questions the legitimacy of sibling grief, asking if the siblings were “close,” as though that should determine the validity of their loss.

Ultimately, Annie’s book serves as a resource for those grieving the loss of a sibling, offering validation for their pain and helping them feel less isolated. Whether or not siblings were close, their grief is real, and it’s time we recognized it.

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Tash Ritz joins the conversation from Sydney, where she reflects on her global journey, growing up in New Zealand after being born in South Africa. With over 14 years of experience working in social enterprises, she has helped founders build businesses focused on social impact and environmental sustainability. Most recently, she authored the book Souling, a deeply personal exploration of self-discovery and spiritual growth.

She explains the concept of social enterprises in Australia, where for-profit businesses integrate meaningful impact beyond financial success. These companies work in areas such as waste reduction in fashion, food security, and supporting vulnerable populations, demonstrating that profit and purpose can coexist.

Tash shares her earliest memory of death, recalling the loss of a beloved family friend at the age of three. This experience, combined with being raised by a midwife mother, fostered an open dialogue about life and death in her household. As a Jewish woman, she has experienced the unique traditions surrounding death in her culture, where the deceased are cared for and buried swiftly. She contrasts this with the Māori practice of tangi, where open caskets and communal mourning create a powerful expression of grief.

 Tash discusses how her understanding of grief has evolved. She reflects on the Western tendency to suppress emotions, which she believes can manifest in the body as illness. She emphasizes the importance of movement, sound, and somatic practices like yoga to process grief, highlighting that healing is not just mental but also physical and energetic.

Tash explores the idea that death is not only about the end of life but also the shedding of old identities, beliefs, and experiences. She finds inspiration in Eastern traditions that embrace transformation and renewal. Acknowledging the value of both medical and holistic approaches to mental health, she advocates for a blended path to healing—one that includes therapy, medication when needed, and alternative practices to help emotions move through the body.

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In this episode, we are joined by Daniel and Patrick Lazour, the creators of Nightside Songs, and Taibi Magar, the director of its Philadelphia production. Nightside Songs is more than a musical—it’s an immersive and communal experience that explores caregiving, illness, death, and the end-of-life journey. Audiences actively participate by singing, transforming each performance into a shared ritual rather than a traditional stage production.

The idea for Nightside Songs began in 2019. Originally conceived as a book musical, the Lazours struggled to capture the depth of the subject. Their experiences with palliative care and end-of-life conversations led them to rethink their approach, shaping a production that blends music, storytelling, and communal participation.

Unlike a traditional musical with a fixed structure, Nightside Songs is fluid and ever-changing. The Lazours wrote and refined numerous songs, adapting them through rehearsal and live performance. Each show responds to the audience’s energy, making every experience unique and deeply personal. This adaptability creates a space where audiences can connect with themes of grief and mortality in an intimate and meaningful way.

At its heart, Nightside Songs is both a theatrical event and a collective act of remembrance. It brings people together to confront universal experiences—illness, loss, and caregiving—while fostering connection and healing. The cast, a mix of longtime collaborators and new voices, delivers powerful performances that resonate across all backgrounds. In a world where conversations about death are often avoided, this production offers a rare and cathartic space to engage with these realities.

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In this episode, we explore memorial forests with Gillian Nye. Gillian shares her six years of experience helping families create meaningful, conservation-focused memorials through Better Place Forests. 

Better Place Forests offers a natural alternative to traditional cemeteries, allowing families to choose a memorial tree where ashes are placed beneath the soil. The process is guided by ecological principles, mixing ashes with forest soil to support decomposition while preserving the health of the trees. Families can select their tree in person or virtually, with options for personalizing the memorial experience.

Gillian describes how these forests, ranging from 40 to 180 acres, are minimally developed to maintain their natural beauty. Trails, welcoming spaces, and simple amenities make them accessible while honoring the environment. Each tree is tagged for identification, ensuring families can return to visit and connect with their loved one’s memorial.

Memorial ceremonies vary widely, reflecting the unique wishes of each family. From singing songs and sharing poetry to incorporating personal items like Tibetan bells, these gatherings are deeply personal and often include meaningful rituals. Gillian highlights the beauty of adding dried flowers to the ashes and soil mixture, a touch that enhances the sensory experience of the ceremony.

She recounts touching stories, such as families recognizing their chosen tree from online photos or honoring loved ones by placing ashes together beneath a single tree. These moments, she explains, are a testament to the emotional connection people form with their memorial trees.

Better Place Forests also ensures long-term access to memorial trees by registering deeds with local counties. Families can authorize multiple ash placements under a single tree, accommodating future memorials. Gillian emphasizes the flexibility of the process, allowing families to hold back small amounts of ashes for other purposes or rituals.

This episode offers a heartfelt look at how Better Place Forests creates spaces for reflection, healing, and connection to nature, transforming end-of-life planning into a meaningful and personalized experience.

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Brandon Zimmerman shares the fascinating history and challenges of Mount Vernon Cemetery, a hidden gem in North Philadelphia. Established in 1856, this 28-acre cemetery became a predominantly German burial ground, home to over 33,000 graves. Despite its historical significance, Mount Vernon has faced decades of neglect, transforming into an overgrown, derelict site. Today, the cemetery is an ecological marvel, with wildlife like deer, foxes, and native birds thriving amidst invasive overgrowth. 

Brandon highlights Mount Vernon’s potential as a green space for the surrounding Strawberry Mansion neighborhood, an area in need of accessible natural spaces. Brandon hopes to reconnect the cemetery with the local community, fostering inclusivity and turning it into a space that serves as both a historical landmark and a neighborhood asset. Listeners will gain insight into Mount Vernon’s rich past, its present challenges, and the efforts to restore its dignity while embracing its wild, natural beauty. 

The Mount Vernon Cemetery interment cards, a vital historic resource, were thought lost until a second, incomplete set was discovered in 2023. These 30,000+ cards, now being transcribed and digitized, are the only reliable means of locating burials at MVC and hold immense genealogical and historical value. 

The Friends of Mount Vernon Cemetery are seeking $5,000 to complete this critical initiative, which will preserve this information for descendants, property restoration, and community engagement.  100% of your donation goes directly to the cards being transcribed.  I hope you will consider donating after you listen to this episode.

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Marie Miller, a medical medium and theta healing instructor based near Columbus, Ohio, shares her fascinating journey into the spiritual and healing realms. Her experiences began after a near-death experience as a child, which opened her perception to the spirit world. Growing up in a small town of 250 people, she often sensed when someone had passed away before others knew, a skill she credits to her natural connection with the unseen. Her childhood was enriched by the presence of her grandmother’s spirit, a relationship she didn’t realize was extraordinary until later conversations with her mother.

Marie began encountering a wider variety of spiritual phenomena as her abilities evolved. For Marie, every challenge presents a valuable lesson, and she believes that life’s difficulties often arise to teach us virtues or help us grow in unexpected ways.

Marie’s path led her to energy healing after discovering her sensitivity to Western medicine. As a medical medium, she uses theta healing to connect with a person’s body on a deep level, identifying the root causes of physical and emotional ailments. Unlike traditional medicine, which often treats symptoms, Marie focuses on uncovering unresolved traumas and emotions that manifest as disease. Through guided meditation and a theta brainwave state, she helps clients release stuck energy and facilitates their natural healing processes.

Marie emphasizes the transformative power of self-discovery in healing. Rather than simply providing answers, she guides clients to uncover their subconscious beliefs, fostering deeper, more lasting change. She believes understanding the subconscious is key to addressing life’s challenges and that anyone can learn these techniques with practice. Teaching theta healing is a significant part of her work, and she finds joy in empowering others to heal themselves, often working herself out of a job in the process.

Her insights into theta healing draw on ancient practices, modern techniques, and her unique life experiences. She explains that achieving a theta brainwave state, once a lengthy process for our ancestors, can now be learned quickly with proper training. This state allows access to the subconscious, where healing and transformation occur. Marie’s mission is to demystify these practices and make them accessible to anyone seeking to understand themselves and heal on a profound level.

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Penny Smith, widely known as Hospice Nurse Penny on TikTok, brings over 20 years of experience as a nationally certified hospice nurse and a unique perspective shaped by her late start in nursing at age 40. Now 62, Penny embraces the wisdom of aging, especially in her work with end-of-life care. During the pandemic, she found her voice on TikTok, where her heartfelt stories about hospice care resonated with millions. 

In this episode, Penny opens up about her journey with death anxiety, which once left her sleepless in her 30s. She shares how confronting her fears through open discussions about death transformed her perspective and how these conversations can improve not only the end-of-life experience but also the quality of life. 

Penny educates her audience on the realities of hospice care, dispelling common myths and highlighting the choices available to those facing terminal illness. She shares poignant stories from her career, such as helping a hesitant patient reconsider his full-code status through compassionate dialogue. She also critiques the unrealistic portrayals of hospice in media, advocating for honest communication between patients, families, and healthcare providers. She aims to empower individuals to approach death with clarity, dignity, and peace through her work.

The conversation also delves into the fascinating topic of deathbed visions, often dismissed as hallucinations but frequently experienced by lucid individuals weeks before death. Penny underscores the importance of designating a trusted decision-maker and discussing end-of-life wishes to alleviate family stress during critical moments. She reflects on societal resistance to discussing death, sharing stories of patients and families grappling with these realities.

Listeners will hear about Penny's journey as a social media advocate, including the challenges of online criticism and the overwhelming support from her 2+ million followers. She candidly discusses her sobriety journey and how it underscores her commitment to authenticity and growth. Penny also previews her upcoming book, releasing January 14th, which she hopes will inspire readers to embrace mortality and live fuller lives. 

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