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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Temi F. Bennett and Hanh Le from iF, A Foundation for Radical Possibility, talk about racial equity versus racial justice and disrupting norms in the philanthroptic sector. ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Discover the power of hope and resilience in the pursuit of social justice with Amanda M. Navarro, executive director of Convergence Partnership. In our latest episode of The Measure, Amanda shares insights on scaling deep for transformative impact and how the partnership's strategic shift to centering racial justice is empowering grassroots movements. ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[adrienne maree brown grows healing ideas in public. Through her writing, music, and podcasts, adrienne has nurtured Emergent Strategy, Pleasure Activism, Radical Imagination and Transformative Justice as ideas and practices for transformation. Her work is informed by 25 years of social and environmental justice facilitation in support of Black liberation, her love of Octavia E. Butler and visionary fiction, and her work as a doula. She is the author and editor of several published texts. ]]></itunes:summary>
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