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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This week Lauren and Dylan address the haircut phenomenon of curl shock. Is this a real thing or is it just b**ls**t?  We also compile the beginner's kit for anybody starting their curly hair journey.  We review the product Davines Curl Building Serum (well, at least Lauren does). She then rolls her eyes at Dylan's one cool thing.   Dylan @thecurlpusher Lauren @lovecurlyhair_lauren ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Join us as Lauren and Dylan dive deeper into The Curly Person Method (CPM).</p><p>Today we discuss <b>heat</b>. Is curly/wavy hair forever condemned to being “air-dried” or is it in fact ok to use heat? If ok, then how hot is too hot? (Let’s be honest, the fact that we even discuss this part probably tells you what we think.)</p><p>We review the product Aveda Nutri-Plenish Leave-in Conditioner.</p><p>There are further listeners’ questions, where this week we tackle a biggy; the ubiquitous protein-moisture balance. What are they and is there even a balance?</p><p>This is all rounded-off with our <em>one cool thing</em>, which could be curly hair related, but probably won’t be.</p><p> </p><p>Dylan @thecurlpusher</p><p>Lauren @lovecurlyhair_lauren</p>]]></description>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Heard of The Curly Girl Method? Don’t really know what it is? That’s fine! In this, the very first episode of the hit podcast "What D’you Mean You Don’t Brush It?", Lauren and Dylan introduce you to the Curly Girl Method, and then rename it; The Curly Person Method (CPM) CPM- The three big rules: what are they, and (importantly) do they make sense? We talk sulphates and silicones; do you know what they do? There’s a product review of Curlsmith, Curl Defining Styling Souffle (say that drunk). ...]]></itunes:summary>
    <description><![CDATA[<p>Heard of The Curly Girl Method? Don’t really know what it is? That’s fine! In this, the very first episode of the hit podcast &quot;What D’you Mean You Don’t Brush It?&quot;, Lauren and Dylan introduce you to the Curly Girl Method, and then rename it; The Curly Person Method (CPM)<br/>CPM- The three big rules: what are they, and (importantly) do they make sense?<br/>We talk sulphates and silicones; do you know what they do?<br/>There’s a product review of Curlsmith, Curl Defining Styling Souffle (say that drunk).<br/>Listeners questions answered including, how do you get volume at the roots?<br/>And stay tuned to hear Dylan repeatedly mispronounce the title of Susannah Clarke’s novel Piranesi.<br/><br/>Lauren Olivia @lovecurlyhair_lauren<br/>Dylan Bray @thecurlpusher</p>]]></description>
    <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard of The Curly Girl Method? Don’t really know what it is? That’s fine! In this, the very first episode of the hit podcast &quot;What D’you Mean You Don’t Brush It?&quot;, Lauren and Dylan introduce you to the Curly Girl Method, and then rename it; The Curly Person Method (CPM)<br/>CPM- The three big rules: what are they, and (importantly) do they make sense?<br/>We talk sulphates and silicones; do you know what they do?<br/>There’s a product review of Curlsmith, Curl Defining Styling Souffle (say that drunk).<br/>Listeners questions answered including, how do you get volume at the roots?<br/>And stay tuned to hear Dylan repeatedly mispronounce the title of Susannah Clarke’s novel Piranesi.<br/><br/>Lauren Olivia @lovecurlyhair_lauren<br/>Dylan Bray @thecurlpusher</p>]]></content:encoded>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 12:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
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