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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As fate would have it, Gerry Kirby passed away peacefully during the night just hours before this fourth and final episode of his oral history was published. RIP Gerry. We will miss you, dear friend. We are so happy were were able to, as you said, tell your truth. ]]></itunes:summary>
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    <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Drag icon Heklina talks about arriving in San Francisco at the peak of AIDS, joining the Sick and Twisted Players, creating the legendary drag club Trannyshack and running it for 12 years, and co-founding San Francisco's flagship cabaret club Oasis. ]]></itunes:summary>
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